Earth Hour

yup.. so I am going to turn off all of the lights in my house and computer and other electronic devices for an hour tonight. I think i'll go for a walk. Anyone else doing this?

http://www.google.ca/intl/en/earthhour/

hell no!

No. Im tired of seeing these silly drop-in-the-ocean responses to serious worldwide issues.

The root cause of the vast majority of the worlds environmental problems stem from one simple thing: human overpopulation. There were under 1 billion people on the planet 50 years ago. Now were pushing what, 7 billion? If present growth continues, we are soon going to reach a point where no amount of resource management is going to make a noticeable difference... if we arent there already. Thats neverminding all the species and ecologies we destroy as we turn ever more wilderness into farmland / housing, try to drag more fish every year from the dwindling ocean stocks, mow down forests to dig up oil sands for the worlds exponentially increasing demand for crude, etc, etc.

Its rather ironic that as unenvironmental a country as China may generally be, theyve had the jump on the rest of the world in this regard for a long time. Too bad its such a politically untouchable issue in democratic countries to suggest that someone NOT have 5+ kids... hopefully time and wisdom, or at least impending disaster, will change this before its too late.

Fuck that...

I'm all for the cleaner environment stuff but little stunts like that will do crap.
Its like that one day people kept saying DONT BUY GAS!!!

D:

Little stunts like this make the whole environment issue laughable to the eyes of others. less little stunts and more actual progress is what we need. .___.;

I went through a blackout a couple of weeks ago so I'm excused from this anyway.

And now for something, completely different.

*Mother Nature writes DJ Zero a pass*

xD!

I'm with Ko-Tao 100%, he wrote everything and more then I would have.

It's like small organizations are trying to give us hope to hang on for something, this problem should have been dealt with ages ago

Synergy - HIGH

Consistency - LOW

Solution - Revolution

well that was fun. I guess i'd be interested in seeing any stats on how much less energy people used this past hour.

Not that much... or not enough to make a "difference"

>___>;;

yeah i saw the earth hour thing... funny i was sat in a room with the light off at my pc... so i guess i was doing my part, why don't they just turn google off for an hour, i'd give up on my pc, turn it off and walk the street like a zombie for an hour not quite understanding how the outside got there...

talking of china, do they even have google coz don't they have "the great firewall of china" that blocks 90% of the internet.. and anything about tibet...

Don't worry guys the population is going to significantly drop during and after 2012. Haven't any of you heard, we're fucked man, shits hitting the fan, we're right in the middle of the culmination to the apocalypse. Better start hoarding your resources now, cause you aint getting shit from me, make your own fucking bomb shelter! We are a two planet species its as simple as that. We really need to get our act together and start colonizing other places in out solar system. I'm all for managing resources but its too little to late, we need to find a new source and manage that one from the start, cause humans aint gonna stop fuckin anytime soon. Theres probly a million people fuckin right now as I type this.

Or we should develope a requirement for being let into society, like an IQ minimum requirment. You must have an IQ of over 80 or you are deamed a burden on society and are emediately terminated, sterilized, and processed into soilent green. Ahh yes the solution to overpopulation, world hunger, and the decline in education. Not only would we be solving all of our problems we'd be strebgthening the gene pool at the same time. Its genius.

Lights were turned off at home, so i got out for some Opera :]

On another note (Do minor sounds great)

Yea we're pretty much fucked. If i were you i'd start training to do cannibalism.

Hint Hint: The Postman is a good start.

IQ over 80???


aaaw fuck

lol shit sry man, your gonna have to be fed to the masses....

.conflict wrote:If i were you i'd start training to do cannibalism.

Already done brother. Every which way I look at the world progressing onwards to a common goal (intellectualism-better resources), I imagine a near extinction.. It's just got to happen.. Most of the wealthy people can't get past the fact that the REAL wealthy people don't give a shit about them, sorry to say, but even a revolt (we fucking need to) sounds unachievable to me at this point, because the illusion of safety doesn't even keep people on their toes anymore.

'We' as LIFE (majority), have chosen desire and greed over actual civilization, we are experiencing the calm before the calm of the storm, but who knows.. Maybe when the storm's over someone will get it through their skulls that everything we WERE doing WASN'T doing ANYTHING (and this will be dipicted as a nice sparkling rainbow..), a bit of me doubts it though. The greedy people in power are the people who write history, it's one huge joke to me anymore.

Nonetheless, I raise my glass.

wow that is wierd that is like the tenth time i have heard "2012" is coming in the past days. something about the Mayan's calendar predicted the destruction of man kind on this year or something. i also talked to a friend of mine and we talked about how much ife would be better if civilization fell apart and the only thing we had to do was stay alive. no work. no job. pretty much just find food and eat it. as for global warming, it may be called that, but the world always goes into a climate cycle just we are here for the ride this time

stretch

p.s. stock market crash eminent, last year americans spent more money than they saved. last time that happened, well you know the rest...

Well it's a whole End Of Days scare going around just like the whole 1999 Dec 31st, rather that's what it's become. The more I read about Mayan civilization the more I see just the ending of a cycle (for a reason).. The common B of the A.. Also, they could predict the future by recognizing the past, keeping records of the skies, etc. All 2012 (I hate our calender, there is alot of debate on whether or not this is the correct conversion.) is, is the sun's ecliptic plane traversing into the milky-way's equatorial plane, moreover on the winters solstice, this is what is known as "The Sacred Tree" to the Mayans, there's alot of talk going around about unthinkable destruction and collision, climate change etc, but I'll be the first to say to open your eyes, there's destruction everywhere, 'illusion of safety'

We are just miles away from immense destruction, our atmosphere is the lock on your door.. Slowly but surely, they are drilling into it

It's coincidence that USA's plans are happening around this time, but the more you hear about the world ending, the more you're prone to believe it I guess..

I'll end with: Shouldn't we all be thinking about the future of things? Instead of babble about sacred trees and prophecies and easter rabbits and google lights and earth days, in the words of george carwin: WE ARE FUCKED!

I'd like to add my own comment about 2012..

Yes its the end of the Mayan calendar but I believe its not a 'oh shit we're going to die' thing but more of a end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine) type of thing.
Mass stock market crash is what comes to mind. Maybe someone sets off an EMP and knocks out Wall St.

Or maybe its a Zombie apocalypse, in which case I have my trusty crowbar as a companion. :DD

The mayans were NOt the only ones to make this prediction. Mayan calander-southa america, E Ching-china, that new internet prophet thing, and certain descriptions in the biblae about signs of the apocalypse coming lining up with current events. I can't remember but I think th Koran might have also said alittle something about it. I heard all of this on a history channel show a while ago so don't hold me too this. I just know they mentioned at least 5 different documents/things in different cultures that talk about 2012 being a very signifigant year. I find it kinda weird that ALL of these things are pointing to the same year, even if it were the same decade it would be a little weird. But I agree, I think the extent of what happens is gonna be a "Its the end of the world as we know it, and i feel fiiiiiiinnnneee." type of deal. (great song lol) I would be kinda pissed though if everything fell into chaos and society collapsed...no more internet gaming, no more internet porn, no more power or utilites...no more gaming period. Might as well just roll over and die. Or start a gang/millitia and try to claim as much teritory and resources as you have the firepower to defend. It would be a crazy fucked up time, definitely not a time for those people with strong morals...

Epoch wrote:No more internet gaming,period. Might as well start a gang/millitia.

Don't worry, we'll prolly have RL gravity guns by then, so we all know what to do.

Find a toilet.

Find a corrdor.

Crouch+Wait.

W/e it is, if it doesn't kill it, it's going to be damn fun nonetheless.

The more I read about past cultures, the more I see that most of their customs and beliefs have originated from common 'smaller' ideals and cultures, even Jesus Christ and beliefs as of today, all originate and get converted from something else, so to me it isn't a suprise that more than one silly 'place' in the world believe the same things (it happens everywhere and it's quite amazing to me), although I would like to read more on it, (if you have any cites about china's similar predictions, that'd be cool.)

I'll stick around for 4-5 years if you will, and the battle for truth shall be told.

.conflict wrote:

Epoch wrote:No more internet gaming,period. Might as well start a gang/millitia.

Don't worry, we'll prolly have RL gravity guns by then, so we all know what to do.

Find a toilet.

Find a corrdor.

Crouch+Wait.

W/e it is, if it doesn't kill it, it's going to be damn fun nonetheless.

And the last thing we will hear from the crushed mutant before it dies is, "fucking camping nooooob!".

Ko-Tao wrote:

.conflict wrote:

Epoch wrote:No more internet gaming,period. Might as well start a gang/millitia.

Don't worry, we'll prolly have RL gravity guns by then, so we all know what to do.

Find a toilet.

Find a corrdor.

Crouch+Wait.

W/e it is, if it doesn't kill it, it's going to be damn fun nonetheless.

And the last thing we will hear from the crushed mutant before it dies is, "fucking camping nooooob!".

Ahahahah. I really wish the grav gun existed, it would be sooooo much fun, but I wonder if you pick up a filing cabinet off the ground do you have to use your strength to hold it off the ground or does the gun do it for you?

Yeah we'll all do better than the adverage joe if it comes to all out fighting for survival. Its been proven that people who play fps games like CS, hl2dm, cod4, americas army, are more apt to perform well in a combat situation. I'm not sure of the real scientific reasons for this but I would assume its because those situations would be more natural to us. Our brains are constantly processing "tactical information" while we are playing these games in order to make the best choices for the given situation. When I say tactical information I am trying to refer to all the data we observe in-game to determine our next action. What it comes down to is we are more likey to make sound decisions that will keep us alive, than the average non-fps playing joe. That reasoning is the whole reason behind the Amry deveolping Americas Army.

ok i'm lost how did this go from saving energy to picking filing cabinets?

Oh so this is why google went all emo style on me last night.

It has to do with the zombie apocalypse thats going to happen in 2012 when everyone decides that they should turn off the lights to save the world from dying out. The problem that this causes is mass chaos since the stock market crashes in the process and mass riots start to form as people scramble for supplied in this hectic new world that environmentalists created.

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0 wrote:It has to do with the zombie apocalypse thats going to happen in 2012 when everyone decides that they should turn off the lights to save the world from dying out. The problem that this causes is mass chaos since the stock market crashes in the process and mass riots start to form as people scramble for supplied in this hectic new world that environmentalists created.

oh of course... how stupid of me

So that's why my internet was so fast for a while.

I am all for environmental protection. But I did not like this whole earth hour thing. Saw tons of paper fliers around campus, calculates the death of trees thanks to earth hour. The problem I see with it is that a bunch of people want to feel like they are doing something so they take one measly hour and turn things off. Great but what about the other 365 days of the year? If you want to personally help the environment you need to make a long term commitment to consuming less. Not just say I am going to tough it out for an hour then go back to consuming as usual.

Also people seem to be all into fads now days. I remember the 90s it was all about saving trees and recycling. Where did that go? now everyone talks constantly about global warming but they don't even care that in the last 10 years the quality of products has gone to shit and it's all made in China and consumes a whole shit load of fuel to come over here in a boat. And then when you get it its such a hunk of shit it only last 1 year then you throw it out and have to buy another one. I wonder if anyone even bothers to notice that everyone forgot about filling the land fills completely and they now fill them at a faster rate then ever. Currently I am looking for a grill and I am noticing something really sad about reviews. Many people buy the same brand and a similar priced item after an older grill wears out after 5 years and the next one only lasts them 1-2 years. About 6 years ago I bought a pair of shoes I likes. I still have them today. less then 2 years ago I bought the same exact shoe again from the same exact company I liked it so much. The newer one wore out completely through the sole in less then 2 years. I am now wearing the older one again and threw out the newer one.

Basically if you care about the environment you have to work on reducing your consumption in all areas every day. Not just 1 hour once a year. And many times you need to make decisions to not have something or purchase less because you bought a higher quality item that would last longer. We live in a society where nearly everyone can have a computer and our waste especially paper waste should be falling like crazy but it seems we just keep consuming more.

sorry to burst the over-population bubble but that's actually not the issue as there are far too many unpopulated areas on this earth to warrant such a claim. the Chinese low is inhuman as are most of this country's lows.
if you look deeper you will find the over-population idea is a well marketed 'spin' of public opinion.
Cutting down rain forests and the world wide legislation which backs up pollution on all its aspects should catch your eyes more. messing with this earth's eco system is what is causing the hole in the Ozone as well as recent years' climate drastic changes, storms, earth quakes and global warming.. . .

i too think this Let's shut down the lights and be kewl for an hour is pathetic and, even though came from good intentions is completely acting as a self spin of public opinion...lol...ppl should be looking at what the big cheese of this world is doing. talk about the route of all evil. but yeah...guess ppl are too busy shopping and "mind their own business" = HA!. ...most ppl IMO do ANYTHING BUT mind THEIR OWN BUSINESS.

Those notes about the Mayan calendar predictions are completely off base..those predictions were first noted to hit 1987, then nothing happened..so someone then claimed ahh no it's all going down in 1999, yeah that's it. 1999 came along and nothing happens. snap!...so hmm..maybe the turn of the century? anyone? ahw...no nothing still.. well,..then, we heard ppl saying the Maya meant 2001, then 2002...uh oh...something is wrong and we're alive oh god! heh...and let'e not forget Nostradamus, and the Hopi Prophecy..they come in all shapes and sizes.
while reading through many ancient Hebrew and early christian manuscripts i've seen a lot of this in there too...my perosnal take is this and sorry in advance if i'm offending anyone's beliefs here... for me these are all Spins. nothing more. nothing less. people of power, priests, bankers and politicians always had their reasons for keeping the masses in fear of the End of Time, the "Judgment Day". it's all crap and keeps us behaving better, spending more and them better fed and their positions better kept.

yea i really don't think the end of the world is 2012. but it would be cool. well yea even if the world was actually going to end, the people of this world probably would not be told so. the higher ups would keep it quiet maybe until the last day or so to tell the people "your fucked." so basically just live your life, try to conserve....lol, if everyone conserved up on resources we would still deplete them pretty quick cuz there is still so many people

stretch

yeah it would be cool coz we've got the London 2012 olympics over here and if the world ends noone ends up viewing one of the biggest failures ever... seriously London 2012 will be the worst thing ever i swear we won't have anything built... the British are just too damned lazy...

[EYE]Valar wrote:sorry to burst the over-population bubble but that's actually not the issue as there are far too many unpopulated areas on this earth to warrant such a claim. the Chinese low is inhuman as are most of this country's lows.
if you look deeper you will find the over-population idea is a well marketed 'spin' of public opinion.
Cutting down rain forests and the world wide legislation which backs up pollution on all its aspects should catch your eyes more. messing with this earth's eco system is what is causing the hole in the Ozone as well as recent years' climate drastic changes, storms, earth quakes and global warming.. . .

Hehehe your silly, without such an abundance of people our pollution would be greatly reduced, and so would our need to cut down the rain forest. Supply and demand my friend, the more people we have the higher the demands are for consumer products, resulting in a high demand on refining of resources and manufacture of said products.
What do both of these proccess produce an a bundance of, waste and pollutants, what are used in many manufacturing proccesses, toxic/nauctious chemicals (pollutants). Seems pretty logial, the more people we have on this planet, the more pollutants and waste we are going to create. You may not have meant to say it as you did, but to say "there are far too many unpopulated areas(are you serious!?) on this earth to warrant such a claim." Our current population growth when plotted on a graph, has assumed a nearly exponential acceleration curve, if thats not alarming I want some of what your smoking It might be because I'm a nature buff or the fact that I was raised in a old-hippie charged atmosphere growing up in a small town in Vermont, but I find this statement to be utterly alarming. I can't even percieve how you could come to such a conclusion lol. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just blown away, its interesting how two people can come to such opposite conslusions. Just sharing my opinion on the subject because it is so much different from yours.

I am not silly nor smoking anything as a matter of fact. (post softening smile icon)

I did mean everything i wrote content and spelling. this is my opinion. (post softening smile icon)

My opinion is that cutting down rain forests is not a must and there are other options..other types of fuel available to us. the current one is a known hazard = oil. mining it has a proven negative effect on earth and chopping down trees has a proven negative effect on earth. The Human population being by definition part of earth share this effect and cannot escape it. Supply and demand rules can be met otherwise: it has been suggested at the beginning of the last century to move to using Cannabis as fuel and that resulted in oil tycoons having Cannabis banned altogether. digging just a bit deeper will show you more and more as you go...
Overpopulation is relative to space. i believe there is an agenda behind this statement.
There are indeed unpopulated areas on earth and yes i am being very serious.(post softening smile icon)
Looking for a new planet is a strange idea imo...do we really expect that new planet to be "inhabit ready". we do have a lot of areas we CHOOSE not to inhabit but i think we should.
and here's another (post softening smile icon) for ya ...why the heck not..

most of the earths oxygen is created by algae in the ocean and so far the human race has done a damn fine job of fucking up their ecosystem... along with the rainforest it's almost like we no longer want to breathe....

We're just now scraping the tip of the ice burg when it comes to manipulating nature for convenient resources, right now people are worried about shiny things that they can't afford more than the future of mankind, and we see this throughout history, we are experiencing now the fucked up remains of greedy people, and our children will experience 'ours', sorry but it has just as much to do with population as it does what population is doing, this is because of how the population thinks.. I'd have hope for this many people if they all did think, but we know that isn't going to happen..

I loled at your, "im right your wrong" post valar. (post softening smile icon) All I was trying to say is that population is an integral part of the current situation which you were neglecting, I wasn't refuting the points you made, I actaully agree with all of them. Leaving population out of the Human/planet equation is like leaving gravity out of the equation when trying to calculate trajectory, it just doesn't work. (post softening smile icon) I'm done with this discussion. Oh yeah and how old are you Valar? just curious. (post softening smile icon)

my post was not at all "i'm right your wrong" and if it came across this way i apologize Epoch. as a person i never think this way but actually welcome arguments (in a good way of course). if anything my post was trying to explain anyone's opinion isn't being silly or a high. its just an opinion. the (post softening smile icon) was meant as a pisstaking on how we put smillies when we don't want to hurt other people's feeling or summon fire in our direction. not as sarchasm directed to you at all. it meant to point out how fragile we all are...without a little pat or wink we cry and run to mommy (e.g. Immediately becoming aggressive and start flamming the thread )
as for my age i'm past my mid 30s.

Eh, you silly kids...we're gonna be killed off by something manufactured by the Illuminati. :roll:

http://www.armageddononline.org/illuminati.php

Georgia Guidestones man...they're planning to kill us all...

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Wake up, fight the power, rage against the machine and all that bullshit...

{EE} Uncle Rico wrote:Eh, you silly kids...we're gonna be killed off by something manufactured by the Illuminati. :roll:

http://www.armageddononline.org/illuminati.php

Georgia Guidestones man...they're planning to kill us all...

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Wake up, fight the power, rage against the machine and all that bullshit...

the Illuminati is a great tale...try to find a bit more info on it and you'll see. other than that i vote to everything else in your post. i thought about posting on the zeitgeist movie but opted out to avoid flame wars...
this is great stuff

[EYE] Valar wrote: i thought about posting on the zeitgeist movie but opted out to avoid flame wars...

Ah, I was just being silly for the most part, or trying to start flame wars, not sure which now, Anyway, I can say that I do believe that people with ridiculous amounts of money and ridiculous amounts of power would use those things to further their own agendas. I would.

Watching in awe. Thanks Rico.

Wow, I certainly misread your post Valar, sorry man. Thats the biggest problem with text, theres no inflection to help you understand the underlying meaning of what the person is trying to convey. I definitely thought the (post softening smile icon) was blatant sarcasm because of this, thanks for setting things straight, I too welcome arguments, but once I feel sarcasm has entered the arena I withdraw, hence my previous post. Again thanks for your civil reply despite my heated words, may our ideas clash in the future now that we both know we're partial to friendly argument/debate.

word bro

There is evidence that things are changing on a global scale. Some people (I was once one of them) dont want to believe that global warming is happening because in their very small area of the world, they had a rather harsh winter or a colder than normal spring/summer. For example, Michigan has had a very very harsh winter with a lot of snow. Likewise upstate NY (not all that unusual for them tho). However, Long Island, NY (not that far away) has had a very very mild winter. Barely 6 inches of snow this winter where I live. Temperatures were not that cold for very long. You cant look at a small piece of the puzzle (ie your own little world) and make an accurate statement on what is happening on a global scale.

Fact: the glaciers are melting some areas that were covered with ice 3-4 decades ago are now green with grass.
Fact: Sea level is rising as a result
Fact: Average sea surface temperatures are rising
Fact: Ocean species are being effected by the warming of the oceans. Tropical species are expanding their range north, northern species' ranges are being pushed further north
Fact: Trees in temperate areas (studies have been done in NY and elsewhere) are showing the effects of the rise in average temperature
Fact: Warming is effecting crops cycles
Fact: The amount of carbon in our atmosphere has risen dramatically since the industrial revolution began

{EE} Uncle Rico wrote:Eh, you silly kids...we're gonna be killed off by something manufactured by the Illuminati. :roll:

http://www.armageddononline.org/illuminati.php

Georgia Guidestones man...they're planning to kill us all...

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Wake up, fight the power, rage against the machine and all that bullshit...

website is teh stupid, illuminati does not = Freemason

PwNs3ttia wrote:
website is teh stupid, illuminati does not = Freemason

I wouldn't know. Never actually read anything on it. It came up when I was looking for some info on the guidestones.

{EE} Uncle Rico wrote:

PwNs3ttia wrote:
website is teh stupid, illuminati does not = Freemason

I wouldn't know. Never actually read anything on it. It came up when I was looking for some info on the guidestones.

lol aight, wull im a freemason and last time i checked im not illuminati