graphics card bs

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so im currently using a 7100

so, went and got an 8800 GT and got a 550 w power supply

card doesnt work

returned it and got another 8800

ive tried using the 6 pin connecter, 4 pin adapter, giving certain parts dedicated power blah blah blah

went to geek squad (got my hopes up that they might be more competent than me )

told me my mother board was dead.. that nothing they could do, and i wasted $60 and they wouldnt give me a refund.

some kid there was like... ya i think its the card, tried another 8800 GT OC there in store... ddint work.. blah blah blah mother board...

came home after allmost 3 days of this shit.. plug in the 7100 and it works fine


PLZ HELP!!!!!!!!

7100?? That is a Nvidia Motherboard Chipset w integrated graphics.
Is it integrated? Did you disable the chipset graphics and DL the latest 8800 drivers?

After three GPU boards, it is not the board. It is the power supply or something else.
The 8800 should need just one four pin PCI-E power connector.

My bad. 7100 is a dedicated card.

That is some frustrating shit.

Geek squad is far from it man I went there to trying to find what CD(s) my PC needed for a reformat, considering it came form best buy why not go there and see if they have it still.

I found the geeksquad counter and the guys tells me, Hewlitt Packard doesn't use recovery disks for thier pc's.......

dot dot dot

Then he says they do.....apparently he had a revelation but anyway he tells me good luck finding a recovery cd for a pc built in 2005 (this is late 2006 we are talking)

So he says we can't do anything I have to call hewlitt packard support, so I ask him for the number (we all know damn well they have it listed there) he tells me "I dunno I think it's 1-800-HP"

dot dot dot.

Back on topic, I don't know what the 7100 is, but is the 8800 the first card you've tried in your PCI-E slot?

I wonder if the pci-e slot is even working to begin with, also check your BIOS I had to tell the BIOS I was using PCI-E graphics specificly, in the advanced options.

I have a feeling your PC just missing one step to get it working because it can be an ordeal with certain mobos.


EDIT:Forgot to mention I found hp's number and called support, whole thing took 8 minutes tops and $15 later I had 2 HP recovery disks on thier way to my house and a free extended warranty they noticed I was elidgable for, fuck you best buy.

Fuck you.

ya my 7100 is in my pci e 16 slot right now and works fine, i dont really know what bios is?? and like i said before i tried the 6 pin power supply for the card, and then the 4 pin adapter, tried with 1 and both cords, same power supply cords, different ps cords, and a whole bunch of ways, and the problem with the adapter is i have to give up a fan or my dvd/cd drive :/

Wait, this want you was it?
http://www.legit-proof.com/uploads/pict ... b4dec6.jpg



Do you get any picture when the pc is bootign up?
remove all nvidia display drivers before installing card.

the 7100 is a pci-e graphics card and since its working fine, there really is no reason why the 8800 shouldn't just plug in and play. I am baffled other than to say maybe windows is not recognizing it, which would be weird.

no picture or anything, everything turned on including the cards fan, but no picture

I think its the power supply, i had a similar problem with an 1950pro AGP it needed 2 molex 4 pin supplies, i use 2 on the same rail which was drawing oo much current so therefore didnt work, the fan did though so i had to split the suply between 2 seprate rails in order to get it to work.
How many amps is your power supply rated?

This is taken from BFG 8800GT OC specs.

425W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 28A or more (Minimum system power requirement based on a standard PC configured with an Intel® Core™2 Extreme X6800 processor)

its possible but hes using a good power supply, and if it comes with a pci-6 pin cord right off the power supply it should be fine. If im not mistaken I think the ps he is using is from BFG.

well the 8800 is a pcie 2.0 card and the 7100 is a standard pcie
his motherboard does not support the new pci2.0 cards....

i think that a motherboard with a pcie 2.0 slot is backwards compatible (you can use regular pcie cards on pcie2.0 motherboards)
but not a pcie2.0 card on a pcie1 slot....know what i mean?

so he needs a new mobo that supports the pcie2.0 8800gt he has, or settle for the 7100...

my mother board is not pcie 2.0 and my 8800gt works perfectly fine.
PCIE 2.0 cards are backwards compatible with pcie 1.0 its just they cannot run at the increased bandwidth PCIE 2.0 offers which isnt needed yet any way. But there may be a rare case of some cards not working.
What motherboard is it? Google motherboard name 8800gt

maybe the bios doesn't recognize the pci-e 2.0?

try upgrading the bios then reinstall in the 8800.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/33

Bios shouldn't matter with PCIe 2.0 vs PCIe 1.0 aspect, backwards compatibility is managed on the card and the bus architecture itself.

However if you do have onboard graphics for your motherboard it is possible that they are feeding the image though there, put the 8800 back in but plug your vga/dvi/w/e cable into your motherboard video and see if the display turns on.

If that doesn't work than it's probably the compatibility with your motherboard and the 8800 and you should do the google search as suggested above.

if i remember correctly while the 8800 was plugged in at geek squad, he tried plugging it into the mobo and it got picture? but thats not the same pic that would come from the 8800 is it?

If he got picture from the mobo then it's ur bios settings, your bios are leaving on your onboard video, boot into bios and set your display adapter (something like display or first adapter or w/e) to PCIe slot, that might fix it if not then I haven't the slightest, but it'd be really damn strange if it did fix it considering that your 7100 will display fine without any changes.

I see no mention of this issue, so
could it be possible he is using a driver that is ancient for the 7100 but doesn't support the 8800?

Get the last Nvidia drivers.

Thats going to be a little hard seeing as he can't even see the RAM count or the computer's boot screen

Edge wrote:Thats going to be a little hard seeing as he can't even see the RAM count or the computer's boot screen

He can with the 7100.
turn your phone off.
Stick your tongue out, its a proven fact that stickoin ones tongue out helps.

The latest drivers are backwards compatible. He could load them with the 7100 and then swap. 7100 makes me think he has never updated the drivers. If the drivers are three or more years old, the 8800 series was not even out yet.

PCI-E works. The PC works. His game works. Ram works. Power supply is not the issue nor temps.

It is most likely the driver.
8800 GT is a new card.
The 7100 was introduced almost two years ago.
"However it is important to note that 7100 series does not support technologies such as: high dynamic range rendering (HDR) and UltraShadow II.

NOTE: Some of the above mentioned supported features can be made accessible through using the ForceWare 91.47 driver or later releases."

Definately worth a try...

hes allready using 174.16, its not the drivers.
If in fact he did get picture from the onboard vga, its possible that it is that creating a conflict, why it doesnt with the 7100 IDK. Definitely worth a look in the bios and look for onboard video if its enabled, disable it.

If you can't even see the garble that is thrown up by the screen before windows starts to load, then your bios could be an issue or it could be your PSU (I think this thread is sounding a bit like a broken record ). If you don't know what motherboard you have, download cpuz (http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpuz_145.zip) and look under the "Mainboard" tab for the manufacturer and model. Then search about as others have suggested.

There should be no driver problems. If the card is not recognized by your nVidia drivers, Windows should revert to its default display driver but still work.

I disagree with some of the folks saying the PSU is not an issue. With any PSU, wattage means crap, amps are where the money is. Some of the cheap 550W PSU's on newegg only have 25A on the 12V rail (to compare, my Corsair 520W PSU manufactured by Seasonic has 54A on the 12V rail). If you want to check the amps of your PSU open up your case and look at the sticker that is (hopefully) facing you. Take note of the 12V amps (if your PSU has multiple 12V rails, add the values). If it's less than 28A it may be inadequate to run your card. If you don't see a sticker, it's on the other side of the PSU .

For general troubleshooting:

1) Unplug all optical and hard drives, and any other nonessential components you have hooked up to your PSU (keep any cooling stuff plugged in).

If your computer boots up and tells you it can't load an OS or find any hard drives, move to step two. If nothing comes up try the other port on your graphics card. If you're using a DVI to VGA adapter try the other one that came with the card. If that doesn't work, your motherboard is probably pissed. Investigate if your motherboard has any problems with PCIe ver 2.0 cards (see above for mobo identification). Update the bios as needed. If your monitor has both DVI and VGA inputs make sure it's on the right one (silly, yes, but always a possibility).

2) If your computer does boot and complains about there being no OS, plug in your main hard drive and restart. If that works, gradually plug in any auxiliary hard drives and optical drives and any other stuff that you have (the most important things first). If your computer fails to start at some point after your main drive is plugged in, your power supply is too weak to support all of your stuff and you'll probably need a new one. And if you can avoid it, do not plug any other devices in on the same line from the power supply as your video card (I've had problems with this in the past).

If that doesn't work, I have no idea what the issue could be.


And yes, GeekSquad sucks balls. Just a bunch of 16 year olds who just got their A+ certification, don't give a shit about their job or you, and just need money to pay homeless dudes to buy booze (and/or midget porn) for them.

i tell you his mobo doesnt support that card. bios update shouldnt matter =)
the onboard vga , i have nothing to say on that matter except it makes me lawl.
disable the onboard video in the bios, but i doubt taht will fix anything...
the 7100 works fine becuz its a standard pci express card just liek his motherboard supports.
backwards compatibilty aside...i dont think his mobo supports the 8800gt which is a BFG.

his mobo is a biostar P4M90-M7

ya im getting conflicted thoughts from ppl saying the mobo wont support the 2.0 to try changing my bios (havent tried that yet..) but here are all my specs... my PSU shouldnt be a problem if im not mistaken its running 550 w, with dual 12v rails running 18 amps each (http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr550wgspsu.aspx my psu)

Number of processors 1
Number of cores 2 per processor
Number of threads 2 per processor
Name Intel Pentium D 925
Code Name Presler
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA
Family/Model/Stepping F.6.5
Extended Family/Model F.6
Core Stepping D0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 2999.6 MHz
Multiplier x Bus speed 15.0 x 200.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed 799.9 MHz
Stock frequency 3000 MHz
Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache (per processor) 2 x 16 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Trace cache (per processor) 2 x 12 Kuops, 8-way set associative
L2 cache (per processor) 2 x 2048 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Chipset & Memory
Northbridge VIA P4M900/CN896/VN896/PT890 rev. 00
Southbridge VIA VT8237A rev. 00
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Memory Frequency 266.6 MHz (3:4)
DRAM Interleave 4-way
CAS# Latency (tCL) 4.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 4 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 4 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) 12 clocks
Command Rate (CR) 2T
System
System Manufacturer BIOSTAR Group
System Name P4M90-M7
System S/N OEM
Mainboard Vendor BIOSTAR Group
Mainboard Model P4M90-M7
BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
BIOS Version 6.00 PG
BIOS Date 01/05/2007
Memory SPD
Module 1 DDR2, PC2-4300 (266 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Kingston
Module 2 DDR2, PC2-4300 (266 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Kingston
Software
Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX Version 9.0c


ty for ne ideas

I agree that your PSU is not a problem...decent one that is.

By your last past, your mobo manufacturer is Biostar and the model of you mobo is P4M90-M7. I can't find a P4M90-M7, I can only find a P4M900-M7 (the following reflects that)

Unfortunately there are three different versions of the mobo (with bios) that I can find... there is probably some differentiating factor between the three but I'm not in a condition to figure it out!:

P4M900-M7 FE 7.x (bios: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/ ... p?S_ID=314)

P4M900-M7 SE 7.x (bios: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/ ... p?S_ID=289)

P4M900 Micro 775 6.x (bios: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/bios.php?S_ID=99)

If you crack open your case and look for a P4M900 and some numbers after it on the PCB you should be able to find the exact product number.

After you do...use the following info to update your bios based upon the version of the motherboard you have above (if you can't match things up...someone else is going to have to have an idea):

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/sup ... php?S_ID=1


make sure you have the right version though. Flashing the bios with the wrong bios image can kill your motherboard.

I googled the motherboard and card and came up with this
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=57758
It seems a BIOS update is the only option if that doesnt work new motherboard.

You know maybe with all the tech problems that have been posted we could almost use a like Tech part of the forum instead of the cafeteria, just create like a tech support forum lol.