Voting

So I'm chilling at the polls waiting to vote early. I'm on my dad's blackberry. I would vote on election day, but I'll be working at the polls on election day making a nice chunk of change. The wait to vote has to be like 3 hours. What a waste of a saturday when I could be at home playing hl2dm or sleeping ffs.

When i consider the hundreds of thousands who have died so i could be free and vote, it doesn't seem such a waste.

Well either way that wait is a lot better than the one that will be on tuesday.

The Argumentalizer wrote:When i consider the hundreds of thousands who have died so i could be free and vote, it doesn't seem such a waste.

oh noes here we go again.

Well it is better to have to stand in line to vote rather than stand in line for Bread all day.

votekick

I never said it was a waste to vote. I said it was a waste to have to wait 3 hours to vote.

badinfluence wrote:I never said it was a waste to vote. I said it was a waste to have to wait 3 hours to vote.

D:

badinfluence wrote:I never said it was a waste to vote. I said it was a waste to have to wait 3 hours to vote.

Three hours is better than waiting five or more. You're better off doing it now anyway so stop complaining.

:3

Well, I won't have a chance to vote on tuesday. And I doubt there will be a 5 hour line wait to vote. There's precincts which you go to to vote. So all of those people that have voted early, won't be going to their precincts on Tuesday.

And all the people that didn't and left it for the last possible chance (practically the majority) will be there on tuesday.

You can still vote on Monday at the board of elections which is what I did and you could have voted this entire week, and the week before that.

Over here we had only Last monday to friday to vote. Polls are now closed until tuesday. Glad I got it out of the way already though.

Who did you vote for?

ralph nader

keefy wrote:Who did you vote for?

pb

Anthym wrote:

keefy wrote:Who did you vote for?

pb

I was really tempted to write that in today and then take a pic with my phone just for lulz.

The very best candidate.

Why SO Secretive.

Vote and quti bitchin

Because I'm allowed to know and you're not. : )

I can't vote I dont live in USA

keefy wrote:Who did you vote for?

Why I voted for myself as any self-respecting Puertorrican would do if he were voting in the United States Election!


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good for you bad for voting and for working the polls.

i hope to god that this election is when the tide finally turns against these fucking stupid republican warmongering christian nazis.

im sure all u dumb fucks on here dont care about anything other than hl2dm and internet porn, so let me try to relate to you...if these rich republican fucks get their way for another 8 years i wouldnt be a bit surprised to see internet porn outlawed.

this election poses a major crossroads for this country.

Please everyone vote obama and get these fucking republican cocksuckers out of power.

Trouser Snake wrote:good for you bad for voting and for working the polls.

i hope to god that this election is when the tide finally turns against these fucking stupid republican warmongering christian nazis.

im sure all u dumb fucks on here dont care about anything other than hl2dm and internet porn, so let me try to relate to you...if these rich republican fucks get their way for another 8 years i wouldnt be a bit surprised to see internet porn outlawed.

this election poses a major crossroads for this country.

Please everyone vote obama and get these fucking republican cocksuckers out of power.

ur talking about neoconservatives not republicans...

Trouser Snake wrote:Please everyone vote obama and get these fucking republican cocksuckers out of power.

QFT!!

in all seriousness, the US ought to look at the european voting model, which is have voting on saturdays and sundays. doing this would help to knock down some of the socio-economic barriers to voting, though many of the psychological barriers can't be knocked down so easily.

doing this would help democrats: more of their traditional base would be able to vote; so if they were smart they would push this since this election is likely going to be a slam dunk for that party (did you know mccain only has a 5 point lead in his home state). in my district, chris shays has been in office since before i was born, and he has a real chance of losing to jim himes. in ct's 5th district last election, chris murphy beat nancy johnson who was a longtime incumbent. i did some campaign work for murphy, and i think it's pretty likely he can win again if he gets good turnout in certain areas of the district which are traditionally republican (cheshire). BUT david cappiello, his opponent, is sort of a prototype of what republicans are going to have to run as in 2012 and onward: more moderate in terms of social issues, but a savvy fiscal conservative.

by 2012, obama will not be nearly as popular as he is now, and partisans like trouser snake will be yelling about getting pinko liberals out of power. i just don't think that the conditions are right for a realigning election ala 1932 or 1896. bobby jindal is pretty much the conservative response to obama, it would not shock me if he runs and wins in four years.

i'd vote for a conservative who isn't too loony with religion, supports a flatter tax (both mccain's regressive and obama's steep progressive tax plans SUCK) and stops offering 20th century solutions to 21st century problems. seriously, listening to mccain is like traveling back to 1980, talking about socialism as if it's still a salient issue. the entire GOP crop sucked this year, huckabee could have been a good bet for them if he wasn't such a crazy christian. romney may also make a good candidate in 2012 if the economy still sucks. either way, republicans gotta realize that reagan is dead and they can't keep trying to make carbon copies of his policies when times and conditions have changed.

either way, i'd encourage all of you to vote if you can. if you need any kind of help, calling up your local party organizations will likely give you answers to any questions you have.

Obama is winning.

^LINKY

tlc wrote:
by 2012, obama will not be nearly as popular as he is now, and partisans like trouser snake will be yelling about getting pinko liberals out of power. i just don't think that the conditions are right for a realigning election ala 1932 or 1896. bobby jindal is pretty much the conservative response to obama, it would not shock me if he runs and wins in four years.

Maybe we should do voting every two years so change can happen more often.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... vs_mccain/

RCP is my favorite resource; it has polls from a bunch of sources and other good stuff.

i think there's a pretty big chance obama is going to win, all the factors are in place. i mean just look at the map. montana and north dakota battleground states? georgia?? if mccain went into this election cycle with montana as a battleground state, he should have just conceded.

only thing about this though: obama is banking on voters that traditionally don't vote. young people, in particular. especially with all these polls, people cna become complacent and decide to not vote. it'll be interesting to see how much turnout obama can get from this base which loves him so much.

obama has so much money - he's shattered records, and since he opted out of public funding, he can afford to do his 30 minute infomercial on prime time TV. this is the reason he has made these states battleground states, because he can run an assload of ads in places like montana, he even was running a pretty significant amount of ads in alaska of all places. mccain's limited by public funding restrictions, so his resources are tighter and obama is forcing him to spend money in places where he shouldn't have to.

obama's political machine is also pretty damn impressive. howard dean started and really mastered using the internet as a fund-raising source, and obama is really the first to harness it. we live in a youtube generation: 10 years ago 75% of the stupid shit sarah palin says at rallies for their hardcore base wouldn't have made public airwaves. but now they're all over blogs and stuff. the impressive thing is obama and his team have such a quick response to everything mccain or palin says; it's mind boggling. don't think republicans won't catch up by 2012, though.

i think that four years is a pretty appropriate time. presidents need the time to get shit done. the house is designed to be that body of government which is most closely tied with the constituencies, hence the body which is up for reelection most often.

Well, either link shows obama winning. You only need 270 electoral votes to win. Well, another good thing about obama winning is with our democratic congress, shit will get done so much faster.

I'm curious, how did Obama get so much money? They are both in the Senate.

he's just gotten a ton of donations, mostly from first time donors. i think i read the average donation he got was $82. but all those people who give him 5 or 10 bucks; their donations really add up. he's just about doubled the donations mccain's gotten. i think the numbers are like 600 million to 340 million, don't quote me on that though

here's the shit though, obama's not limited by public funding restrictions since he didn't opt to receive public funds. so he can spend as much of all that donation money as he wants in what states he wants while mccain can't. he can also employ more people who are more technologically savvy or just better campaigners

Trouser Snake wrote:
im sure all u dumb fucks on here dont care about anything other than hl2dm and internet porn, .

Boy you really have no idea who the people are on this site, do you. Here is some enlightenment.

I am a hardworking citizen of the U.S., have a Masters degree and a full time job. I own a house and pay a mortgage. I also pay other bills and buy gas every week. We own a buisness that my better half runs as his full time job. HL2DM is a hobby I enjoy in my spare time. I care about the war, health care, the economy, keeping my job and how much money each candidate is going to take out of my hide next year. I have voted in every election since I was 18 and I plan to vote in this one too.
Oh and I am female, so internet porn is not something I do nor am I interested in.

Thanks

well actually the kind of change we need neither parties bring

the executive branch is just gaining more and more power every year for the last 60 years which is not how it should be.

really it shouldnt matter at all who the president is. that's why we have congress and the house of representatives, the president is really only in charge of our military and navy so really, our commander and chief should be some crazy strategic war general.

we need to get the power back to the ppl and not to the democratic or neoconservative party ( i say this becuase there are few republicans left with true republican mind set)

i dont like obama or mccain but obama is def the less of 2 evils becuase i guess any change from the last 8 years is a good one.

He also signs the bills into action.

Hah man, whod have ever guessed from tlcs ingame persona that he was so serious about politics. Funny stuff.

Paradox wrote:

Trouser Snake wrote: ...Oh and I am female, so internet porn is not something I do nor am I interested in.

Thanks

I hear females dont play online games, either.

Ko-Tao wrote:Hah man, whod have ever guessed from tlcs ingame persona that he was so serious about politics. Funny stuff.

Paradox wrote:

Trouser Snake wrote: ...Oh and I am female, so internet porn is not something I do nor am I interested in.

Thanks

I hear females dont play online games, either.

Lmao Orly?

Obama will appoint a multi-party cabinet that will be compromised of people with little tolerance for divisiveness and partisan hackery. He will draw massive amounts of international fame and respect, the economy will go up under him, though half the reason for it will be not due to economic policy but due to the cyclicle nature of the economy. He will be tested as Biden said at least once in a foreign policy crisis, small or big, and will entrench himself with 50 advisors and come out with a sound judgement. An attempt on his life will come at least once, probably twice in his first term but secret service protection has gotten so expansive and tight there's a decent shot he'll be a second term president. Lastly, sorry guys but a graduate from Colombia University, Harvard Law School, and president of the Harvard law review is far from being just a ******. I can guarantee all of the things I said above are or will be true, no matter how much as some people I meet refuse to believe it's possible a black guy or a democrat can do good things.

Valiums puts the pro in prophecy!

@tlc, man i've never played this game against you, but it would have been nice to have traded quips in game.

yesterday i went to Costco to pick up some pictures of my daughter that my wife had printed out, on the back of a '05 jeep cherokee was written in soap or white marker...

R U SERIOUS? A MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE? NO WAY.
the bumper sticker read, osama and obama, the only difference is a little bs
On the rear window was pasted a picture of mccain/palin signed to Joe something or other.

obama is sort of in a catch 22 in that regard. while i think it's pretty irresponsible, offensive even, that his campaign has pretty much alienated muslims, it's a messy situation. he made some muslims behind him at a rally who were wearing head dresses move so they wouldn't be behind him on the tv cameras. i think that's pretty low. colin powell talked about this when he supported obama on meet the press. what kind of message are we sending to muslim kids in this country? even if obama were a muslim, is there something wrong with that?

but the bottom line is that there is prejudice and he has to address the issue in some way. and i think that he has taken the right approach to it in talking about his christianaity.

i think that all the religious prejudice in this election is just a proxy for a real racial prejudice that's still in existence. it's just that today it's ok for people to be prejudicial against muslims but it's not ok to be prejudiced against blacks. so we see things like those bumper stickers which you saw and we have crazies like sarah palin not doing anything about people shouting "terrorist!" or "kill him!" at her rallies. to mccain's credit, he denounced someone at his rallies who said she was "afraid of obama".

also there is a poll today which has obama up by 1 point in montana. i'm sorry but if the republicans are losing in montana, it's pretty much over barring osama making another appearance like he did four years ago.

speaking of sarah palin, check this out haha

http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... WVYrBoJ6JQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V_-_a ... re=related

once again this moron embarrasses my country

the whole idea of creating diversity and racial tolerance by cramming it into our youngs head and yelling it across the country just perpetuates the cycle of racism

tlc wrote:speaking of sarah palin, check this out haha
http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... WVYrBoJ6JQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V_-_a ... re=related
once again this moron embarrasses my country

hahaha yes! i heard it on the radio here, that was gold. nice find

Where is Ross Perot when you need him.

Bigs Ears ftw

[GoTg] old time no.7 wrote:@tlc, man i've never played this game against you, but it would have been nice to have traded quips in game.

yesterday i went to Costco to pick up some pictures of my daughter that my wife had printed out, on the back of a '05 jeep cherokee was written in soap or white marker...

R U SERIOUS? A MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE? NO WAY.
the bumper sticker read, osama and obama, the only difference is a little bs
On the rear window was pasted a picture of mccain/palin signed to Joe something or other.

Yay, was hoping I wasn't alone....and btw ross perot is, was the man. an excellent business man, and a war vet to boot. not a pussy pencil pusher either he actually served and risked his life for his country. I respect McCain for his years of being a POW but doesn't have the skillz perot had.

tlc wrote:speaking of sarah palin, check this out haha

http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... WVYrBoJ6JQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V_-_a ... re=related

once again this moron embarrasses my country

There will come a time when we need to realize that we shouldn't give a crap what the rest of the world thinks of us. We've spent the majority of our existence helping everyone else out, and as a result our country is failing. We accomodate everyone's religion, we open our borders to everyone, we hand our aid and military support freely. We give our people handouts that are completely capable of working, and the bs keeps going. peeps need to realize the government shouldn't be there to help you, you should help urself. As for Sarah Palin I wish she was running as pres and mccain as vice pres, a truly remarkable woman she is.

holymoly wrote:

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:
peeps need to realize the government shouldn't be there to help you, you should help urself. As for Sarah Palin I wish she was running as pres and mccain as vice pres, a truly remarkable woman she is.

You, sir, are a moron.

No flaming people for their opinion please. Lets prove that we can have civil political discussions here without making it personal.

whatever you want to believe. but at least my opinion is my own and not the product of liberal media. The way things were are the way things should be, we've lost the foundation for this country. They take religion out of school but they are teaching humanism every day in our public school, guess what kiddies humanism is a religion.

edit : nvm lol..

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:

tlc wrote:speaking of sarah palin, check this out haha

http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... WVYrBoJ6JQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V_-_a ... re=related

once again this moron embarrasses my country

There will come a time when we need to realize that we shouldn't give a crap what the rest of the world thinks of us. We've spent the majority of our existence helping everyone else out, and as a result our country is failing. We accomodate everyone's religion, we open our borders to everyone, we hand our aid and military support freely. We give our people handouts that are completely capable of working, and the bs keeps going. peeps need to realize the government shouldn't be there to help you, you should help urself. As for Sarah Palin I wish she was running as pres and mccain as vice pres, a truly remarkable woman she is.

are you a woman? sorry if that's offensive somehow, but i am just wondering. my mom supports palin pretty much only because she's female.

now i'm sorry, but when a vice presidential purports that "the vice president is in charge of the senate", i get a a little scared. or when a vice presidential candidate cannot identify a single newspaper which she reads. or when she claims that fruit fly research is not important and should be cut. the irony is that anyone who knows anything about biology will tell you how absolutely necessary fruit fly research is for genetic research, autism for example, and palin's kid has autism.

nah I'm a man, married with two kids. no offense taken! I'm done feeling cornered so no more retorts from me.

tlc wrote:when a vice presidential candidate cannot identify a single newspaper which she reads. or when she claims that fruit fly research is not important and should be cut. the irony is that anyone who knows anything about biology will tell you how absolutely necessary fruit fly research is for genetic research, autism for example, and palin's kid has autism.

Not to defend Palin, but who reads the newspaper today? The newspaper business is in fact a dying industry mainly because everybody is getting their news from the internet today, also I believe that palin's kid has down syndrome and not autism.

That whole newspaper thing was blown way out of proportion.

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:nah I'm a man, married with two kids. no offense taken! I'm done feeling cornered so no more retorts from me.

gotcha, just with a handle like auntjemina...i wondered heh

l2k you are right, palin's sister, heather bruce has a son with autism. mccain has said before, though, that palin, as a special needs parent, is a qualified figure on autism.

well i try to read newspapers every day, but you are right that people like to read blogs and stuff for news. but i would hope that my statesmen are above that and still get their news from professionals and from different perspectives, rather than some neckbeard on the internet. how many of them actually do, i couldn't say. but i'd hope that politicians aren't reading our ramblings online (which are about as good of sources as 99% of the blogs out there) and taking them seriously.

i think the point is it just made her look even worse about not really knowing anything, and when mccain's best argument is experience, her gaffes undermined that

L2k wrote: Not to defend Palin, but who reads the newspaper today? The newspaper business is in fact a dying industry mainly because everybody is getting their news from the internet today, also I believe that palin's kid has down syndrome and not autism.

That whole newspaper thing was blown way out of proportion.

I wouldn't say its dying at all, at least not in this country because I cannot get the internet on construction sites whilst I am installing the electrics for the building . Millions of hairy arsed construction workers buy papers everyday althoguh they probably buy them for the boobs mostly.

In the us there are not boobs in the newspapers and my wife has been working for one of the biggest newspaper companies in the US for 20 years. Trust me they are dying thanks to the internet.

holymoly wrote:The Sun paper in the UK has a topless woman of the day on the inside flap. It's distributed normally and everyone reads it, mainly for the boobs.

Not just The Sun, The star and The Sport all have boobs in, with the latter having the most, there is a daily nipple count and the "inside flap" is page3.com

sarah palin is a crosseyed retard.

I just wanna hate-fuck that bitch.

david sedaris on undecided voters:

“I look at these people and can’t quite believe that they exist. Are they professional actors? I wonder. Or are they simply laymen who want a lot of attention?

To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?”

To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.”

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote: As for Sarah Palin I wish she was running as pres and mccain as vice pres, a truly remarkable woman she is.

Are you serious

The only thing I have heard about her, from the American media, the European media, people I know in America, is what an incompetent, biggoted, ignorant person she is. Most of them seem to feel she is one of the reasons why McCain is losing to Obama in the polls.

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:As for Sarah Palin I wish she was running as pres and mccain as vice pres, a truly remarkable woman she is.

Best be trollin' there.

I truly believe that if Palin EVER became president I will loose all hope on the future.

Rafadagaffer wrote:

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote: As for Sarah Palin I wish she was running as pres and mccain as vice pres, a truly remarkable woman she is.

Are you serious

The only thing I have heard about her, from the American media, the European media, people I know in America, is what an incompetent, biggoted, ignorant person she is. Most of them seem to feel she is one of the reasons why McCain is losing to Obama in the polls.

Most Media outlets disgust me, I think the moment I came to completely hate the media is when Mother Teresa (prolly didn't spell it right) died. She got a lil bit of coverage but barely anything, but as soon as princess Diana died bam the whole world was covering the situation as if the world had come to a standstill. So is this world so screwed up that we honor some drunken whore over a woman who dedicated her entire life to helping people. As for Palin she has done nothing but stand up for her values and prove to me that she could stand up to the lobbyist and special interest groups and never compromise what she believes. She has good christian values, and that is what this country needs, we don't need baby killers in office. You may think that religion doesn't belong in politics, but our founding fathers said this country couldn't be ruled without the bible. Now obama says the country couldn't be ran with the bible. That man is of muslim history, went to school in a muslim based country, and had dual citzenship. I believe he will be the ultimate downfall of the ideals this country was founded on. If you work hard in life you'll be able to make a living, but with him its gonna be" if you sit on ur ass and do nothing we'll make the people that are working hard support ur pathetic ass." Sorry for the language but that philosophy unhinges me but most likely that man is gonna win and this country will cease to be a great nation.

rule with the bible eh......

ill leave it at that......


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Nothing can stop internet porn.

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0 wrote:

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:As for Sarah Palin I wish she was running as pres and mccain as vice pres, a truly remarkable woman she is.

Best be trollin' there.

I truly believe that if Palin EVER became president I will loose all hope on the future.

Well lets think about this, McCain is what...170 years old? He looks like he could drop dead of a heart attack at any moment thus bringing in Palin as the president - anything's possible!

Palin is a fucking moron what kind of messed up person believes it should be illegal to have an abortion if a teenaged girl is raped by her father.

bahlk wrote:rule with the bible eh......

ill leave it at that......


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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/ <------ go watch this. soooo good. bill maher is a genius.

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote: If you work hard in life you'll be able to make a living, but with him its gonna be" if you sit on ur ass and do nothing we'll make the people that are working hard support ur pathetic ass."

The main reason I would never vote for Obama right there.

Not to mention the redistribution of wealth videos all over you tube where 7 years ago the words came out of his very mouth.
Scary shit I tell ya.

keefy wrote:Palin is a fucking moron what kind of messed up person believes it should be illegal to have an abortion if a teenaged girl is raped by her father.

LIfe is Life, the situation would be completely horrible I agree, however the baby is still a baby. The girl could give the child up for adoption, but by no means does the child deserve to die. Once abortion becomes acceptable by all, what next then, killing ur parents after they reach a certain age cause its just too troublesome to take care of them. Murder is wrong regardless of how you put it rape is wrong regardless of how you put it. If our justice system punished rather than babied criminals we wouldn't have rapist. This may seem extreme to you but a rapist should be executed, a murderer should be executed, a thief should have a hang cut off. If there was actual consequences for crimes there wouldn't be nearly as much crime. I sympathise with a raped girl becoming pregnant and we should do everything possible to easer her pain but by no means does the baby deserve to be murdered.

alternatively, you could just vote for RON PAUL if you want to be able to kill your parents

i really think abortion should be 100 % legal.

why bring an unconscious being into an unknown and possible very shitty world for them ( foster homes )

before 20 weeks the baby cant survive out of the fetus, so after 20 weeks i think abortions should be illegal.

and there should be penalties for dumb lil whores who get one every other month, fines then jail time.

ohh we going into serious stuff on a lighter note.

Have fun during the your election over here at in london planet hollyhood is having a event where guys come dressed a either obama or Mccain or palin and you get freebees too if your a republican you get a free bible and a plastic rifle and for the democrats they get food stamps a lets not forget a tax bill.

anyway hope you all voted and made your vote count.

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:

keefy wrote:Palin is a fucking moron what kind of messed up person believes it should be illegal to have an abortion if a teenaged girl is raped by her father.

LIfe is Life, the situation would be completely horrible I agree, however the baby is still a baby. The girl could give the child up for adoption, but by no means does the child deserve to die. Once abortion becomes acceptable by all, what next then, killing ur parents after they reach a certain age cause its just too troublesome to take care of them. Murder is wrong regardless of how you put it rape is wrong regardless of how you put it. If our justice system punished rather than babied criminals we wouldn't have rapist. This may seem extreme to you but a rapist should be executed, a murderer should be executed, a thief should have a hang cut off. If there was actual consequences for crimes there wouldn't be nearly as much crime. I sympathise with a raped girl becoming pregnant and we should do everything possible to easer her pain but by no means does the baby deserve to be murdered.

We solved the abortion issue pretty simply in canada... the person whos going to be forced to carry and birth the child makes the choice. Its easy for others to look in on a situation from the outside and want to apply their various ideals to it, but the fact is, it has nothing to do with them, hence the law keeps them out of it.

Also, legal abortion leading to old parents being killed...? Obviously that hasnt been the case in any pro choice country, and anyway, its hard to manage a sane comparison between a fully concious and sentient being, and an ounce of partially-developed flesh and primordial soup that lacks most/all senses or the ability to think. The majority of civilized humanity obviously sees the qualitative difference here, as abortion is legal in almost all 1st world countries.

Furthermore, to say "murder is wrong regardless of the reason" then call for the government to murder murderers, doesnt work. It does show, however, that while such absolutes may look appealing in a religious text, or sound pleasing as philosophical theory, they fall flat pretty quick when faced with reality.

Agree that punishment for serious crime should be much harsher though, and more fitting, though at the same time we need to see the decriminalization of pretty much everything that doesnt directly, negatively affect anyone else. Of course, beaurocratic process being the glacially slow beast that it is, i dont see either happening to a useful degree in the near future.

Ko-Tao wrote: Agree that punishment for serious crime should be much harsher though, and more fitting, though at the same time we need to see the decriminalization of pretty much everything that doesnt directly, negatively affect anyone else. Of course, beaurocratic process being the glacially slow beast that it is, i dont see either happening to a useful degree in the near future.

for instance: marijuana

Those arrested face a multitude of consequences, primarily determined by where they live. For example, most Californians charged with violating the state's pot possession laws face little more than a small fine. By contrast, getting busted with a pinch of weed in Ohio will cost you your driver's license for at least six months. Move to Texas -- well, now you're looking at a criminal record and up to 180 days in jail. Or if you happen to be a first-time offender, possibly a stint in court-mandated 'drug rehab' (one recent study reported that nearly 70 percent of all adults referred to Texas drug treatment programs for weed were referred by the courts), probation, and a hefty legal bill. And don't even think about getting busted in Oklahoma, where a first time conviction for minor pot possession can net you up to one year in jail, or up to ten years if you're found guilty of a second offense. Thinking of growing your own? That'll cost you a $20,000 fine, and -- oh yeah -- anywhere from two years to life in prison.


And yes, some offenders do serve prison time. In fact, according to a 2006 Bureau of Justice Statistics report, 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are incarcerated for marijuana offenses. In human terms, this means that there are now about 33,655 state inmates and 10,785 federal inmates behind bars for violating marijuana laws. (The report failed to include estimates on the percentage of inmates incarcerated in county jails for pot-related offenses.)


Tazzer

peace

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:

keefy wrote:Palin is a fucking moron what kind of messed up person believes it should be illegal to have an abortion if a teenaged girl is raped by her father.

LIfe is Life, the situation would be completely horrible I agree, however the baby is still a baby. The girl could give the child up for adoption, but by no means does the child deserve to die. Once abortion becomes acceptable by all, what next then, killing ur parents after they reach a certain age cause its just too troublesome to take care of them. Murder is wrong regardless of how you put it rape is wrong regardless of how you put it. If our justice system punished rather than babied criminals we wouldn't have rapist. This may seem extreme to you but a rapist should be executed, a murderer should be executed, a thief should have a hang cut off. If there was actual consequences for crimes there wouldn't be nearly as much crime. I sympathise with a raped girl becoming pregnant and we should do everything possible to easer her pain but by no means does the baby deserve to be murdered.

Okay, So by your logic, a woman in high school or college gets raped and gets pregnant. Has to freeze her studies for an unknown period of time because of it, Birth a child and then go back to school as if nothing happened? Don't think it works quite like that.

Not the only example. Woman looking for a job or JUST got a dream job that she wanted gets pregnant by accident with a boyfriend or fling. By your logic she'll have to take care of the pregnancy. Which may not allow her to follow the job she really wanted.

Its up to the person's choice and not what anyone OTHER than that person has to say. If they didn't plan for one than its completely up to them to choose whether to keep it or get rid of it.

Same thing goes for couples. Raising a kid is not cheap and if the couple is stretching their finances enough as it is its simply too hard for them to live and deal with a child as well.

Bottom line, No one has a say in the issue other than the ones directly affected by it.

Well its all over now. Obama is the next pres of the US. GG

GG indeed. Thanks for keeping it civil here, I thought for sure it was gonna turn into a massive flame war.

Congrats Obama, and much respect to McCain for his very graceful speech.

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Trouser Snake wrote:BAHAHAHAHAHA u rich white people LLLOOOOOOOZZZZZEEEE

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yeah it's definitely in everyone's best interest that those who employ americans are seeing harder times

you should run for office in alaska

this was my main point for making a post, but i couldn't ignore how ridiculous that comment was. anyway, is there any doubt now that alaska is the worst governed state in the country? they reelected a CONVICTED FELON to the senate. and we all know about the good governor palin now

tlc wrote:yeah it's definitely in everyone's best interest that those who employ americans are seeing harder times

What do you mean by this?

He means sarcasm by it.

56 million voted against this Socialist Ass. We ain't going anywhere.

Truth is the Right isn't telling everyone how they should live.
The Left will shove their ideas down your throat.

So, at least 56 million Americans still believe in being independent free citizens who don't look to gubbmint for everything.

Truth is the Right isn't telling everyone how they should live.
The Left will shove their ideas down your throat.


u sure you didnt get this backwards?

Yes, im sure

mind giving some examples?

California voted to amend their Constitution to protect and codify traditional Marriage, thereby turning back far left radical gay agenda of shoving their idea down California's throat.

Is that good enough?

Kyoto/Global Warming nonsense
A civilian national security force with a budget the size of the Pentagons (a ridiculous Obama idea)
Abortion ( it is not codified under the law, just removed from table of debate by one wrong Supreme Court ruling)
Welfare
Redistributions of Income taxes

The Argumentalizer wrote:California voted to amend their Constitution to protect and codify traditional Marriage, thereby turning back far left radical gay agenda of shoving their idea down California's throat.

Is that good enough?

Kyoto/Global Warming nonsense
A civilian national security force with a budget the size of the Pentagons (a ridiculous Obama idea)
Abortion ( it is not codified under the law, just removed from table of debate by one wrong Supreme Court ruling)
Welfare
Redistributions of Income taxes

1) freedom of choice? your righty's are trying to shove the bible down americas throat
2) i guess global warming isnt really happening, just another conspiracy
3) refer to #1
4) capitalism / special interests has nothing to do with this.
5) while i dont like this, i dont like the "trickle down effect" or tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy.

your completly wrong. the right wing are trying to stick to traditional methods manily brought by a evangelical christan society, which is not the case any more. While the left wing are simply trying to provide ppl with the "freedom" they want.

"Under the banner of economic development, all private property is now vulnerable to being taken and transferred to another private owner, so long as it might be upgraded."

"The government now has license to transfer property from those with fewer resources to those with more,"

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/23/polit ... ted=1&_r=1

it's not called 'global warming' anymore it's called climate change. They learned that mistake in the 70s calling it global cooling. Call it 'global climate change' and you can blame it on anything that happens in the weather.

we have only been truly recording temperature for what 100 years? Coming out of a Small ice age from 1400 to 1800 A.D how do we know what the real temperature is suppose to be? We will be finished with using Gas powered vehicles before the Earth has time to blink in geological time. Kyoto is stricky designed to weaken the west when it does nothing to address any problems with China/India and other major polluting countries.

why is the bible always blamed?
When mainly what the left is mad at is the people that claim to read the bible say things on it's behalf that aren't in it?

etc

If you you truly read the bible you wouldn't be trying to Force it on anyone. Just simply life your life the right way and let people see that and make up there own minds.

As in the only American that truly followed what the bible stood for and spoke publicly without forcing it on people was found the Southern Christian Leadership Conference Martin Luther King, Jr

I firmly belive that religion should take not part in politics especially in roles of head of state of a multicultural society. Its a a old tool that has been used to inject fear and power over people if you look back in old cultures and systems you would know what I mean.

On climate change well people can dispute as much as they want fact is it better to do somthing now that to gamble on the perseption that its a natural cycle and that it will just disappear. This is another reason to get thos green tech out in the market and make the most of them if you don't give a crap about the rain forest or cities being flooded and armageddon then may be being dependable on other countries and watching money poor out of your pocket into their will help. In allmost all economyies that rate of technogical cycle is determined by the market so I think this is a good of a time than any to look ahead and start demanding for 2morrow tech now rather than buying into yesterdays (or 40year of ) tech today change only happens if you embrace it.

Anyway I think the election has shown US in a diffrent light to the whole world and made many people feel optimistic for the future.

Good article there nino. We have similar law here in canada, but its always been restricted to absolute public use- ie, they need to put a road through your land, they pay you market value for the exact area needed for the road. The rest of your land isnt touched, and they certainly cant force sale because they want to give mcdonalds a prime spot or whatever. Sounds like owning property in america is now more akin to an indeterminate length lease where you get money back at the end... pretty sad.

Also, agree with snd that religion has no place in politics. Im fine with people having imaginary friends- i had one myself until i turned 6- but damn it sucks when they try forcibly sharing them with everyone else.

SND wrote:I firmly belive that religion should take not part in politics especially in roles of head of state of a multicultural society. Its a a old tool that has been used to inject fear and power over people if you look back in old cultures and systems you would know what I mean.

On climate change well people can dispute as much as they want fact is it better to do somthing now that to gamble on the perseption that its a natural cycle and that it will just disappear. This is another reason to get thos green tech out in the market and make the most of them if you don't give a crap about the rain forest or cities being flooded and armageddon then may be being dependable on other countries and watching money poor out of your pocket into their will help. In allmost all economyies that rate of technogical cycle is determined by the market so I think this is a good of a time than any to look ahead and start demanding for 2morrow tech now rather than buying into yesterdays (or 40year of ) tech today change only happens if you embrace it.

Anyway I think the election has shown US in a diffrent light to the whole world and made many people feel optimistic for the future.

Free market and prosperity will make green tech happen. You jump to the same old conclusions thinking i am trying to push something else. I just think it isn't proven that it isn't a natural cycle and for that matter we don't really know or have the scientific data to know what the cycle is. Is it going to return to the tempatures from the time of the Ice ages? dinosaurs? pre-dinosaurs? what is the norm and how do/could we truly now. All we can do is try to leave as little a foot print as possible.

Ko-Tao wrote:Good article there nino. We have similar law here in canada, but its always been restricted to absolute public use- ie, they need to put a road through your land, they pay you market value for the exact area needed for the road. The rest of your land isnt touched, and they certainly cant force sale because they want to give mcdonalds a prime spot or whatever. Sounds like owning property in america is now more akin to an indeterminate length lease where you get money back at the end... pretty sad.

Also, agree with snd that religion has no place in politics. Im fine with people having imaginary friends- i had one myself until i turned 6- but damn it sucks when they try forcibly sharing them with everyone else.

Ya Ko-Tao your law in canada was the status quo for quite some time but since this ruling it has expanded to yeah basically state that all land in the USA is State land and leased to people for short periods of time.

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Va|iums wrote:Obama will appoint a multi-party cabinet that will be compromised of people with little tolerance for divisiveness and partisan hackery.

care to amend this one?

Chief of Staff: Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) - The 48-year-old Emanuel is a veteran of Bill Clinton's White House. He is among the most charismatic figures on Capitol Hill, revered by many Democrats for restoring the party's clout and loathed by some Republicans for his partisan tactics. In the multitude of Emanuel stories, one stands out: the time he boxed up a dead fish and sent it to a political foe, "Godfather"-style.

magic eight ball says: outlook not so good

He's black! Yaaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
He's for change! Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyy
He makes great speeches!! Yaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy

(then reality sets in)
He's a Marxist.

The Argumentalizer wrote:He's black! Yaaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
He's for change! Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyy
He makes great speeches!! Yaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy

(then reality sets in)
He's not a republican or George W Bush. Everyone rejoice!!!!!!

Fixed it for you.

Lol n1 sac.