Go obama!

obama wins in the election
amazing speech!

I'm disappointed

absolutely amazing speech. in my life time, i have never seen so many young voters out there. never seen tears in so many ppl's eyes. great night for america.

Unfortunately won't really change much. Not much he himself can do.

It will be interesting to see what the next four years will bring, but don't hold your breath for amazing changes. It simply won't happen.

Keeper wrote:Unfortunately won't really change much. Not much he himself can do.

It will be interesting to see what the next four years will bring, but don't hold your breath for amazing changes. It simply won't happen.

agreed 100 %

i still think mccain was the way to go....

Keeper wrote:Unfortunately won't really change much. Not much he himself can do.

It will be interesting to see what the next four years will bring, but don't hold your breath for amazing changes. It simply won't happen.

I agree^^

Obama's mouth wrote many checks, now lets see if he can cash any of them.

obama's message is an impossible one to sustain for four years; you can't maintain 'change' while in office like that. i can easily see him losing in four years, but imo either way it's a given his popularity is gonna plummet. it's not like a message of change is a somehow a new phenomenon anyway; people forget bush was the candidate of change in 2000. it's just that now there's a new face attracting different people

obama supporters (and obama himself) love to talk about how how obama's going to bring parties and people together blah blah. there was a great article in the washington post a week or so ago about this. how obama criticized mccain about using scare tactics at the convention then a week later he's running ads saying mccain's going to privatize social security and cut benefits for seniors by 50%. republicans are gonna be bitter over this guy who most of them hate; i think change in this regard is pretty much out. so we'll have to see what tangible 'change' he's gonna bring

I doubt he'll actually change anything. They say what ignorant people want to hear. Since the economy can only go up I think that Obama will get a lot of praise early on for "making change". Personally, I'm a little tired of hearing that word.

Remember, our government is made up of 4 branches:

1. Executive
2. Legislative
3. Judicial
4. Lobbyist

With this election, you'll have 1 & 3 pretty strong with a Democratic majority. But if #4 is against anything they bring up, you can forget about it. I don't care which party has the majority. The president can only do so much. But as for 4 years down the road, it seems on most issues, the political memory is short term at best.

I hope nobody kill him :/

And I hope he screws the damn CFR.

s0iz wrote:I hope nobody kill him :/

Think back to presidents before who were so wildly popular, if history repeats itself as it usually does there is a good possibility attempts will be made.

i think obama is the man for the job and all you mcain fans shud stop whining. i honestly believe that we could have put a fucking APE in the oval office and it would have done a better job than our current republican president who has been running things for the last eight years. that being said, change is INEVITABLE, due to the fact that our upcoming president will not pass legislation that bends the american citizen over and rapes them in the ass.(patriot act) it will also be a JOY to see these catholic conservatives stfu about abortion cause as keefy said, there is a TON of daughter raping pricks out there. and our time wud b better spent curbing the cause than fighting the solution. Palin was out of her fucking mind thinking that creationism shud b taught in schools. i think that every church out there that wants to insert itself into american politics shud NOT be exempt from taxation. either pay the bills with the rest of us or shut the fuck up.

im really not a dick but stoopid people suck. bush being the first on the list.



ty and have a nice day

obama is win

Honestly, I figured he would be dead by now. There's WHITE power out there still, lord knows a few of em gotta be crazy.

I dont like to be racist, except when telling a good joke, but I cant help but feel a lot of his votes came from the young crowd just based on his ethnicity (sp?) and the change we needed, (sure is a change to have a black man as president), and who really wanted McCain to begin with? The republicans failed there I think. Young president vs. 80 yr old president...one with a young ass vice president, and one with an old ass vice president. It's so funny seeing similaritys between parties, not wanting one to have the advantage, of course, but funny none the less

I never voted, for the record...still waiting for ol "Big Ears"

I'm younger. I voted Obama because I rather not have someone older than my grandparents in the White House. When does he get to retire?

I never said I was a McCain fan or a Bush fan. But you have to be honest with yourself. Obama won't be able to do anything by himself. He's only 1/3 of the govt. It will help him to have Congress behind him, but even then he'll be more centrist than most of his colleagues in Congress. I foresee many clashes between him and Pelosi.

Will things change, probably. For the better? 50/50.

I think you'll be surprised at how slow things go. He has some big promises to fulfill and I doubt he will be able to do most. Just like every other president in the modern age. Just think of everything that Bush ran for against Gore in 2000. Then 9/11 hit and the entire agenda had to change.

What I hope for is that Obama is better at foreign relations. Some of the things that Bush did were questionably wrong for our stature in the world, even though they wouldn't have cost us much elsewhere ( leaving the war out of this ... I'm talking treaties and accords ).

So all in all, we all hope for change. That's why most voted for him. But in all actuality he'll do well in some areas and suck elsewhere just like presidents before him.

Keeper wrote:I never said I was a McCain fan or a Bush fan. But you have to be honest with yourself. Obama won't be able to do anything by himself. He's only 1/3 of the govt. It will help him to have Congress behind him, but even then he'll be more centrist than most of his colleagues in Congress. I foresee many clashes between him and Pelosi.

Will things change, probably. For the better? 50/50.

I think you'll be surprised at how slow things go. He has some big promises to fulfill and I doubt he will be able to do most. Just like every other president in the modern age. Just think of everything that Bush ran for against Gore in 2000. Then 9/11 hit and the entire agenda had to change.

What I hope for is that Obama is better at foreign relations. Some of the things that Bush did were questionably wrong for our stature in the world, even though they wouldn't have cost us much elsewhere ( leaving the war out of this ... I'm talking treaties and accords ).

So all in all, we all hope for change. That's why most voted for him. But in all actuality he'll do well in some areas and suck elsewhere just like presidents before him.

very true!


Tazzer

peace

lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE

i just wanted to say that my previous post was not attacking anyone in particular(speciallly not u keeper). and while the president is indeed just one of the variables in the fucked up system of capitalism/warmongering that our nation has become known for, he is in more of a position to create change for the better than you or i.

Keeper wrote:What I hope for is that Obama is better at foreign relations. Some of the things that Bush did were questionably wrong for our stature in the world, even though they wouldn't have cost us much elsewhere ( leaving the war out of this ... I'm talking treaties and accords ).

by better foreign relations i am hoping that obama firstly abolishes the atrocity known as guantanamo bay. its amazing how bush was able to create such an institution and not cause an all out ww3 making every noble nation in existance join forces to destroy the completely inhumane creature our nation has become under the bush regime. hell man...if we can just somehow take babysteps toward changeing our government to be at least moraley acceptable in terms of world focus, than it is a victory for every american who sees a clear line between right and wrong.
im sure 3rd world nations who allow sweatshops to exist loved bush for giving tax breaks to nations that outsource our jobs to groups of starving people who have NO FUCKING CHOICE other than to work for UNACCEPTABLE wages.


mccain agrees and sided with president bush on almost every issue that has been raised in the last eight years. he is a good man imo....but we do not need republican fuckups at the steering wheel any longer. the president is just one part of the vehicle called usa that is obviously in a collision course to the nearest oak tree. but if the president is the man at the wheel, and can detour the course even minimally, we might just miss the tree and continue on the bumpy ass road known as world relations.

I hope Obama will be better than Bush
And especialy in economie because it's a very big problem in all the world

In France the live has ever been expensive but now it's hard for a lot of thinks

eeek is that gun real morph?

GG mcCain't

lead wrote:eeek is that gun real morph?

indeed. one of my favorites. Taurus pt 92 af 9 mille. custom Taurus laser sight and Pachmayr combat grips. sweet peace really...specially if u can put all 16 rounds into a coffee can at 16 yards in under 15 seconds.

Regarding politicians: Never pay attention to what they say. Watch what they do.

i am surprised no one has posted this yet unless someone has and i missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7RZTlzXHmo

As a pre-law polital science major I can tell you I studied both candidates plans and promises extensively. McCain in his policy outlines on a broad base had close to no policy differientation or reversal of the Bush doctrines and idealogies that have, for lack of a better word failed us. The trickle down theory that Bush pushed and McCain's economic plan would do nothing to change has seperated the top 1% and the bottom 95% to an obscene level. To those already whining and being skeptical of Obama returning the U.S. to it's former stature STFU for at least a year or two and give it a chance like I did with George W. and my local politicians.

Well, as a polysci, you are certainly learning the Leftist economic pie and social justice garbage that pervades the higher learning.

Bush's HORRIBLE policies have lead to an expansion of the US economy the size of the entire Chinese economy during his tenure. Millions of jobs, record Stock Market...
All AFTER 911 and the uncertain atmosphere.

And the current mess is the direct result of a liberal Democrat scandal of mega- proportions: The GSE/Sub-Prime disaster, which COULD have been averted, had Democrats not blocked any action on Fannie Mae.
The this, the biggest scandal of my lifetime is not even reported.

All this talk of "Failure" is a load of nonsense. It is not even supported by the economic facts of the last 8 years.
It is Leftist propaganda.

Its too bad your are not a business major. You would have an entirely different view, namely, higher corporate and capital gains taxes will KILL the economy and result in high unemployment.
If you care for the poor so much, stroke a check!

For all those who want to celebrate victory after the election: http://www.bringvictory.com/

Keeper wrote:For all those who want to celebrate victory after the election: http://www.bringvictory.com/

I'm glad I was using Chrome.

LOL

The Argumentalizer wrote:Well, as a polysci, you are certainly learning the Leftist economic pie and social justice garbage that pervades the higher learning.

Bush's HORRIBLE policies have lead to an expansion of the US economy the size of the entire Chinese economy during his tenure. Millions of jobs, record Stock Market...
All AFTER 911 and the uncertain atmosphere.

And the current mess is the direct result of a liberal Democrat scandal of mega- proportions: The GSE/Sub-Prime disaster, which COULD have been averted, had Democrats not blocked any action on Fannie Mae.
The this, the biggest scandal of my lifetime is not even reported.

All this talk of "Failure" is a load of nonsense. It is not even supported by the economic facts of the last 8 years.
It is Leftist propaganda.

Its too bad your are not a business major. You would have an entirely different view, namely, higher corporate and capital gains taxes will KILL the economy and result in high unemployment.
If you care for the poor so much, stroke a check!

Oh please...don't bring up that Fannie/Freddie thing as a strictly democrat failure. If you want me to write a page and a half about the various senate and house comittees, sub-committees under Republican chairmanship and majority from 1995-2006 that failed to listen to outcries and special assigments to assess fannie and freddie I could. Both hands are bloody from this mess. These new taxes Obama proposes, many of which won't pass through the house, will not kill the economy, you have my word on that as well as being a former Business major.

OH Keeper

that was the most evil thing ever. I didnt think I was every going to leave. Damn near opened task manager for that one.

Hold down the enter key. That's how I got out of it

oh dang nice avatar vals looks like Gustav Klimt am i right?

Blasphemy wrote:oh dang nice avatar vals looks like Gustav Klimt am i right?

Dang...got me. Blas is cultured, who woulda thought. I'll put up a new artistic masterpiece avatar every week and see if u can keep up with me

Keeper wrote:For all those who want to celebrate victory after the election: http://www.bringvictory.com/

got me!!! lmao though!!!


rick-or-ized


Tazzer

peace

Va|iums wrote:

Blasphemy wrote:oh dang nice avatar vals looks like Gustav Klimt am i right?

Dang...got me. Blas is cultured, who woulda thought. I'll put up a new artistic masterpiece avatar every week and see if u can keep up with me

yea dude i am a classy and sophisticated guy, thought you already knew that.