G wrote:Statement:
dirk wrote:I did not diss any race.
Previous Statement:
dirk wrote:
You know, white people make music too
I still fail to see how I disrespected a race with that statement.
Statement:
dirk wrote:I did not say hip hop or rap or R&B sucks.
Previous Statement:
dirk wrote:And their music even has chord progressions!
I did not realize any of the words in my statement translated to rap, hip hop, etc. sucks. Interesting interpretation you've got there. I suppose I realize how you have come to that conclusion, but mind you, I never said
not having chord progressions was wrong, dumb, bad etc.
Statement:
dirk wrote:and I did it jokingly
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Previous statement:
dirk wrote:But I guess I shouldn't take the piss
Maybe someone from across the pond will correct me, and if so I apologize ahead of time, but the expression means to kid, have fun with,
joke.
Your statement:
dirk wrote:The media has not warped anyone's perception of their music, that is a total bullshit cop-out statement, they VERY clearly state how they wish to be perceived with their lyrics, photo-ops, and blinged out videos.
My response: You are blind to what you see and hear on the radio then, it is after all the radio and the television producers who decide which music they want to play to the general public, and therefore shape the public's view of what good (rap) music is. You use snoop dogg as an example. Let me get this straight. Snoop, Lil wayne, Lloyd Banks, 50 Cent, Lil jon, etc. etc. are
SELLOUTS. I'm sure you are familiar with the term? They have sold out to what BIG TIME COMPANIES A.K.A THE MEDIA....HAVE TOLD THEM TO PRODUCE, IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY. The problem goes deeper than the artists themselves, and if you can't see that then you are truly blind. Do you think artists are able to decide whether their music is played on the radio and tv....hell no....the media controls the media, not the artists. The bullshit you hear on the radio IS NOT HIP HOP....which brings me to my next point.
You deeming something a sellout is a matter of opinion, not fact. I actually abhor the term, who are you or I to say what someone creates is selling out. How do you know that the artists you listed are not passionate about what they say, no matter how ridiculous others may find it? You do not know these individuals; do not claim to know what goes on their heads. I still stand by my statement, while I do agree the media can twist things in their favor, it is still the supposed sellouts responsibility, after all they are the ones who wrote/sang/rhymed whatever they are trying to get across, be it for money, fame, etc. So to blame the media is as I said before, a total cop-out. If we do not hold the artists themselves accountable, how will things ever change?
My original statement:
G wrote:ignorance towards the culture of hip hop. not one of you know the history.
My response: Read carefully, I did not proclaim anyone's ignorance towards any choice of music, nor did I object to you disagreeing with mine which was clear when I said, "anyway im not here to argue, you don't see me dissing any of your artists." However since you clearly are here to argue I guess I now am too. First of all, HIP HOP is NOT a musical genre. It is a culture. Rap music is 1 of the 4 elements of hip hop. The other 3 include dj'ing or scratching, graffiti art, and b-boying or breakin', commonly referred to be the media as breakdancing. Rap is simply a part of hip hop, but hip hop is not solely rap. It was only after the big man with the money exploited the musical aspect of hip hop for his own gain that rap music began to separate from the rest of the elements(rest assured they were all went hand in hand at one time) For a quick history lesson, hip hop started in the south bronx in 1972, and can arguably be narrowed down to 5120 Sedgwick Avenue. A man known as DJ Kool Herc began to mix records together(now known as dj'ing) and throw parties. What he noticed is that when the people danced, they began to get down to the break of the record(or break in the song where all the beat drops out except for the drum, usually on the 4 count) Hence the term b-boy or break-boy or BREAKdancing. Break was a slang term at the time. This was quickly accompanied by rap music and graffiti art. Afrika Bambaataa then evolved this into the true culture of hip hop, founded on the ideals of peace, love, unity, and having fun.
So, again you claim to know what people are thinking. You are certain that not one of us knows the history. I never questioned the validity, history, or integrity of your beloved culture to begin with. Also, as you quoted yourself as saying, which means you've said it twice now, you did indeed say that we are showing "ignorance towards the culture of hip hop".
You said that, not I. And I'm the supposed blind one. By saying that I showed ignorance is indeed saying that I am being ignorant of something, which in turn deems me ignorant supposedly.
The end. So we continue....
dirk wrote:And we are both sitting here wondering what this agenda you speak of is?
not a race.
