in case......

you wanted to know who the most talented band of all time was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglVqACd ... re=related

tool is very cool

Good band, but these guys are better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kenyBvpL ... re=related

thanks chem.

I havent seen that video in a long ass time. I remember watching mtv when there were music videos, I remember mtv when the music videos weren't all hip hop rap bullshit as well.

I miss 90's rock...no Im not referring to the flannel era.

Sacrifist wrote:Good band, but these guys are better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kenyBvpL ... re=related

LOL< im pretty sure you're joking, if you're not then......something's wrong. Tool is WAY more than just insanely good music. They are brilliant guys, and they bring that intelligence to their music and videos. Justin Chancellor is far and away my favorite bassist, prolly of all time. They may be players just as good, but coupled with the sound and message Tool presents JC wins.

Tool has great music interspersed with terrible music. Their vib is look at us not conforming, were not like you, our lyrics have deep meaning even the 50% that's doggerel emo.

Aenema:
1. Stinkfist (NIN is better/not pretentious)
2. Eulogy (NIN is better)
3. H. (Postmodernist music, the worst art-form possible)
4. Useful Idiot (really awesome song after the 2 minute mark)
5. 46 & 2 (mostly a great song)
6. (a song for manic-depressents)
7. Hooker With a Penis (my favorite song on the album. But look at the lyrics, it's about a kid who tells the band they're selling out (tells you how much Tool probably cares about that) then the speaker says we've always sold out by making an album, put your finger up your ass for buying our albums. So the song pretty much calls the ppl who buy Tools albums Hookers with Penises LOL)
8. Intermission (stupid baseball stadium music)
9. Jimmy (great song)
10. Die Eier Von Satan (bad song. Piano with some dramatist talking on a phone)
11. Pushit (70% suck 30% decent)
12. Cesaro Summability (great song)
13.Aenema (cool song)
14. Ions (Trent Reznor is back in the room)
15. Thir Eye (cool song)

There's something about Tool that I just overall hate. Maybe it's that they're the worst kind of sentimentalists, they think that their feelings have some kind of greater social awareness. Their songs are all just too serious and full of themselves.

they are amazing live

Sacrifist wrote:Good band, but these guys are better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kenyBvpL ... re=related

no thats just fkn shoutin

lead wrote:

Sacrifist wrote:Good band, but these guys are better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kenyBvpL ... re=related

no thats just fkn shoutin

Um, you obviously didnt listen to the whole song or any of their other songs. And no chem, Im certainly not joking. Tool is a really good band, but they dont hold a candle to Opeth. Maynard isnt half the singer that Aukerfeldt is. Dont get me wrong here, Im a tool fan, but they are miles behind the musical genius of Opeth. The truth is, neither one is the most talented band of all time lol, to me, that goes to Rush.

mike patton > any other vocalist.

Trompe-la-Mort wrote:Tool has great music interspersed with terrible music. Their vib is look at us not conforming, were not like you, our lyrics have deep meaning even the 50% that's doggerel emo.

Aenema:
1. Stinkfist (NIN is better/not pretentious)
2. Eulogy (NIN is better)
3. H. (Postmodernist music, the worst art-form possible)
4. Useful Idiot (really awesome song after the 2 minute mark)
5. 46 & 2 (mostly a great song)
6. (a song for manic-depressents)
7. Hooker With a Penis (my favorite song on the album. But look at the lyrics, it's about a kid who tells the band they're selling out (tells you how much Tool probably cares about that) then the speaker says we've always sold out by making an album, put your finger up your ass for buying our albums. So the song pretty much calls the ppl who buy Tools albums Hookers with Penises LOL)
8. Intermission (stupid baseball stadium music)
9. Jimmy (great song)
10. Die Eier Von Satan (bad song. Piano with some dramatist talking on a phone)
11. Pushit (70% suck 30% decent)
12. Cesaro Summability (great song)
13.Aenema (cool song)
14. Ions (Trent Reznor is back in the room)
15. Thir Eye (cool song)

There's something about Tool that I just overall hate. Maybe it's that they're the worst kind of sentimentalists, they think that their feelings have some kind of greater social awareness. Their songs are all just too serious and full of themselves.

too many insanely inaccurate statements for me to even reply....

Sacrifist wrote:

lead wrote:

Sacrifist wrote:Good band, but these guys are better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kenyBvpL ... re=related

no thats just fkn shoutin

Um, you obviously didnt listen to the whole song or any of their other songs. And no chem, Im certainly not joking. Tool is a really good band, but they dont hold a candle to Opeth. Maynard isnt half the singer that Aukerfeldt is. Dont get me wrong here, Im a tool fan, but they are miles behind the musical genius of Opeth. The truth is, neither one is the most talented band of all time lol, to me, that goes to Rush.

i just went back and listened to more of their songs. i will admit they are better then i originally gave them credit for. BUT....to say that TOOL cant hold a candle to THEM, is so rediculas that i feel we cant continue this conversation. i actually agree with 95% of the things you say on here Sac. and i like you a lot, but on this one......agree to disagree, because if you think that band is even in the same ball park as Tool then we will never get any where. but, to each his own. no worries bro

Anthym wrote:mike patton > any other vocalist.

lol

yooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu waaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnt it aaaallllllllllllllllllllllll but you cant haaaaaaaaaaaave it

Anthym wrote:mike patton > any other vocalist.

Fuck yeah!




...and Tool rules!

eitehr you like tool or you don't, which is a good thing really, there's no 'they're ok i guess'. there's enough mediocrity passing itself off as talent out there. most bands are highly overrated imo anyway.

having said that I'm with trompe really. I saw them at lollapalooza 94 on the side stage back when I was into metal, they were impressive for sure. Now music has to be either fun or sexy or exciting to appeal to me, I'm afraid most of Tool doesn't fit that, talent notwithstanding

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:i just went back and listened to more of their songs. i will admit they are better then i originally gave them credit for. BUT....to say that TOOL cant hold a candle to THEM, is so rediculas that i feel we cant continue this conversation. i actually agree with 95% of the things you say on here Sac. and i like you a lot, but on this one......agree to disagree, because if you think that band is even in the same ball park as Tool then we will never get any where. but, to each his own. no worries bro

Wow, I thought you were already a fan of Opeth. You need to listen to all their albums before making a decision then. Ive heard all of Tool's stuff and all of Opeth's stuff. Until you have listened to all of their stuff, I'll agree to disagree Just so you know, I rate both bands above most others. They are both very unique and amazingly talented. I just personally prefer Opeth. Nothing against you preferring Tool.

As for best vocalist, I'd say Patton is top 5 easily. It's really hard to chose between him, Dickinson, Coverdale, Tate, Staley.

my top 5 vocalist
1.mike patton
2.perry farrell
3.maynard keenan
4.chris cornell
5.paul di'anno

Maiden is my favorite band and Di'anno is awesome, but Dickinson is the man.

Sacrifist wrote:

lead wrote:

Sacrifist wrote:Good band, but these guys are better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kenyBvpL ... re=related

no thats just fkn shoutin

Um, you obviously didnt listen to the whole song or any of their other songs. And no chem, Im certainly not joking. Tool is a really good band, but they dont hold a candle to Opeth. Maynard isnt half the singer that Aukerfeldt is. Dont get me wrong here, Im a tool fan, but they are miles behind the musical genius of Opeth. The truth is, neither one is the most talented band of all time lol, to me, that goes to Rush.

rush is not one of my favs but they certainly are great musicians no doubt and they could
play for like three weeks straight and never repeat a song.

tool i love, as for opeth i havent listened to anything they have recorded but now i will.


and i know its a whole dif style of music but scott stap was kicking ass till his head outgrew
his body lol!!!!!!

and the lead singers name of white snake i cant remember but was at one time the best
vocalist par none.

Man, I don't like that music very much. It seems too angry. How can you even understand what they're saying? And how come the Opeth guy just looks like he's talking, but it comes out screaming.

[KBH]Tazzer wrote:and the lead singers name of white snake i cant remember but was at one time the best
vocalist par none.

That's David Coverdale and you are 100% correct. Im not a huge fan of White Snake, but you gotta give that man some props. He had the chops.

You can't just review one album Trompe. I think about half of Tool's album or so is filled with worthwhile music the rest is just psychedelic listening. I don't really listen to enough music to say who da best is so in mine eyes Tool the best

Other notable Tool songs:

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etc

i cant believe in those lists of lead singers, nobody included Trent Reznor, Jim Morrison, or Freddy Mercury. and Lane Staley.....absolutely, he was so talented.

Tool
NiN
the Doors

Tool is played out. Their best album was the first one and now they just repeat themselves except they throw in a lot of annoying filler. 10,000 Days is it for me.
I shall not steal or buy any more albums by them.

I can honestly think of dozens of bands that are more talented.
Opeth crushes Tool into dust, compacts them into a ball, and kicks them around.
Meshuggah has more talent.
Cynic has more talent.
Dark Tranquility and Amon Amarth have more talent.
Dream Theater has more talent.

I love me some Tool, but frankly they are out of ideas.
Parabola, Sober, Prison Sex... good stuff.

The Argumentalizer wrote:Tool is played out. Their best album was the first one and now they just repeat themselves except they throw in a lot of annoying filler. 10,000 Days is it for me.
I shall not steal or buy any more albums by them.

I can honestly think of dozens of bands that are more talented.
Opeth crushes Tool into dust, compacts them into a ball, and kicks them around.
Meshuggah has more talent.
Cynic has more talent.
Dark Tranquility and Amon Amarth have more talent.
Dream Theater has more talent.

I love me some Tool, but frankly they are out of ideas.
Parabola, Sober, Prison Sex... good stuff.

ugh, its a useless exercise to argue with ppl's musical taste. this post is living proof of that. how would one even attempt to reason with such insanity?

"you wanted to know who the most talented band of all time was"

No, and it isnt Tool.

Excuse me but your post said i might be wondering who the most talented band ever was, as if it were a statement of fact.
If you had said you love Tool (not literally) and yadda yadda, i would HAVE to agree. I have ALL the TOOL albums and have liked them long time.
BUT, they are not the most talented band and in fact, seem to have run out of ideas. Every song (if you can call it that) sounds the same.

Opeth is the most talented band out there. Maybe not your favorite but dripping talent.

The Argumentalizer wrote:Excuse me but your post said i might be wondering who the most talented band ever was, as if it were a statement of fact.
If you had said you love Tool (not literally) and yadda yadda, i would HAVE to agree. I have ALL the TOOL albums and have liked them long time.
BUT, they are not the most talented band and in fact, seem to have run out of ideas. Every song (if you can call it that) sounds the same.

Opeth is the most talented band out there. Maybe not your favorite but dripping talent.

k

lateralus is one of the worst albums i have ever heard.

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:i cant believe in those lists of lead singers, nobody included Trent Reznor, Jim Morrison, or Freddy Mercury. and Lane Staley.....absolutely, he was so talented.

Tool
NiN
the Doors

I mentioned Staley and Mercury would probably be top 10 for me. The 2 others you mentioned arent anywhere near the top of my list.

Brandon Boyd is probably my favourite vocalist...

Soulja Boy Tell Em is probably my favorite vocalist.

Divinity wrote:You can't just review one album Trompe. I think about half of Tool's album or so is filled with worthwhile music the rest is just psychedelic listening. I don't really listen to enough music to say who da best is so in mine eyes Tool the best etc

Yeah I didn't want to review every album. Tool has some great songs. The best songs have more to do with the flying sound that the guitarist, drummer, and bassist make. To me, the singer brings some of the music down. Like when he makes every hard drum beat = a syllable (like a spondee). It makes for a manic sound, but then nothing can be emphasised because it's ALL emphasised. The singers I like tend not to be so constrained by the music, but will sing an unstressed syllable on a low beat (bass drum maybe) and stresses on the high beat (like a snare). Sometimes they skip a couple beats to work above the music say with long vowel sounds or to switch between iambs and trochees (duh-DUM .... DUM -duh). Think like Robert Plant for long vowels. Jim and many others are good for trochee/iambs.


Many times here the vocals emphasises the music and the music emphasises the voicals.

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I guess the Doors are my all time fav band. They've been since 7th grade.

ya, there is no questioning The Doors. I wish I could have been alive to see them play.

Sacrifist wrote:

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:i cant believe in those lists of lead singers, nobody included Trent Reznor, Jim Morrison, or Freddy Mercury. and Lane Staley.....absolutely, he was so talented.

Tool
NiN
the Doors

I mentioned Staley and Mercury would probably be top 10 for me. The 2 others you mentioned arent anywhere near the top of my list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEW8riKU_tE

Trent is, IMO, as close to a musical God that one can be.

love the doors but not many come close to radiohead in their early days
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrLE3yBn ... re=related[/youtube]

lead wrote:love the doors but not many come close to radiohead in their early days
[youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrLE3yBn ... re=related[/youtube]

100% agreed

The Bends is a FINE album! It is better than anything else they have done. Just is their best song.

LOVE THIS THREAD!!!!!!!

Radiohead is in my top 5 favourite bands of all time list.

I'm also quite a big Radiohead fan and I am seeing them headline at Leeds festival this year
However, I definitely prefer Muse's Matt Bellamy and would argue he is a more talented musician.


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Funny enough, one of my girlfriends best friends hangs out with the guys from Tool all the time because of some family affiliation. Maybe I can get you a signed album Chem, if you love them that much.

DEATH-ANGEL wrote:Funny enough, one of my girlfriends best friends hangs out with the guys from Tool all the time because of some family affiliation. Maybe I can get you a signed album Chem, if you love them that much.

i would be FOREVER in your debt my friend. you have NO IDEA how much that would mean to me.

i pray that you're not just fucking with me....that would be a cruel joke.

"Brandon Boyd is probably my favourite vocalist..."

Thats Incubus! I agree. Those guys are talented and Brandon is a great singer.

Boyd was heavily influenced by Mike Patton. In fact, I think he was trying to be Mike Patton there for awhile.

none of these people are half the singers that jeff buckley was


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Yea Brandon Boyd is pretty awesome. I also like Benjamin Burnley from Breaking Benjamin.

And no I'm not fucking with you Chem. I'll see what I can do for you. Her friend was offering her a signed cd of whatever album for a Christmas present. So Id like to know what album you want and then I will find out what I can do for you.

Snails...that was an awesome performance. :::Bows with hands together::: Thank you so much!

This thread is the shiznit. DeathAngel, I have seen Tool 5 times-only once sober. I have really special memories with Maynard. I would hang that album on the wall and put spotlight up to shine on it from all angles! maybe even a disco ball. lol. but for real. if you could get me and Chris that album.....damn. I cannot even believe I am typing this. It would be a forever indebted situation.

But no arguing about who is "the best" or "who is good"...It's all personal preference. But all the bands mentioned here are epic in their own right

Hyp wrote:Snails...that was an awesome performance. :::Bows with hands together::: Thank you so much!

This thread is the shiznit. DeathAngel, I have seen Tool 5 times-only once sober. I have really special memories with Maynard. I would hang that album on the wall and put spotlight up to shine on it from all angles! maybe even a disco ball. lol. but for real. if you could get me and Chris that album.....damn. I cannot even believe I am typing this. It would be a forever indebted situation.

But no arguing about who is "the best" or "who is good"...It's all personal preference. But all the bands mentioned here are epic in their own right

chris and I, DA, any album would sufice. honestly, im just blown away by the offer.

I'll see what I can do then. Usually Tool fans have a certain album that they like because there was a certain song that got them into the group or something, hence me asking. By the way, Maynard likes it in the butt and just recently had a big orgy. Just a fun fact. But I'm sure you guys know a little of how crazy he is.

Hope he's not reading these forums!

He's pretty open about it with those he associates with.

I knew you were going to correct me. But remember what BuckyKatt posted???

Yes... the quick and dirty rule of thumb is simply to remove the other person and see if the sentence makes sense. Which ever makes sense is the one you should use.

"This is suppose to be about me" <- Right
"This is suppose to be about I" <- Wrong

We have grammatical orgies over here.

trust me, the correct sentence is, "if you can get chris and i that album" its very improper to place yourself first. but, then again, that is your style!!!! jk.


D.A. i cant honestly say i would like one album over the other. i truly love them all, each for their own reasons. i guess if i had to pick i would say Ænima is my fav. i hate saying that because im such a huge fan of Justin Chancellor, and a few of the songs were worked on b4 he joined. but im also a huge fan of Cam de Leon, and they used some of his art work in that album. the album has so much meaning and great ideas behind it. so ya. that would be my pick.......BTW, if you hook this up, I will reimburse you with a steam game of your choice.

Nah no worries man. I still gotta find out what I can do. The girl lives an hour or so away from us so we don't get to see her often, but next time we see her or I just get tired of waiting and I have my gf call her or IM her, I'll see whats up. The only thing I would ask is to cover shipping, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that much for a CD anyways...

DEATH-ANGEL wrote:Nah no worries man. I still gotta find out what I can do. The girl lives an hour or so away from us so we don't get to see her often, but next time we see her or I just get tired of waiting and I have my gf call her or IM her, I'll see whats up. The only thing I would ask is to cover shipping, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that much for a CD anyways...

ya, thats what i meant. if you could just ship it, couldnt be more than $5 or so. i will reimburse you with a $50 steam game to cover the shipping, your time and effort, and your genorasity. i think that would be easier then me mailing you a check or w/e. if that's K with you we can do it that way. if not, i will do w/e works best for you bro.

Yea it doesn't matter. I'll figure it out and update you when I get more info.

Tool, Prison Sex, Aenima... hmmm I never thought ghey??!!?

Chem, do you want a CD or vinyl?

The Argumentalizer wrote:Tool, Prison Sex, Aenima... hmmm I never thought ghey??!!?

ummmm, anyway.

DEATH-ANGEL wrote:Chem, do you want a CD or vinyl?

vinal if possible

vinyl!!! Aenima would be my first pick. that album had the biggest impact on my life. too bad they are going for around $500.
I just found this awesome picture disc! There were only 1000 made I believe.


Whatever you can get...want us to mail u one? if this goes through, be sure to get the message through to him that we would NEVER sell on ebay.... that we will be humping it and putting it to sleep with a good night kiss every night. lol.

Well the friend of my gf's knows Tool and especially Maynard because they chill with her mom like every month and take her out on random ass trips lol... Again. I will see what I can do.

proof of my love of Tool. the tat looks better now, cause i had the brain stems added. but i had to let the head heal before i could do that. ill post an update one soon

The umbilical cord is a cheek bone, it all makes sense!

Actually tha image reminds me of something Ezra Pound once expressed, that the brain was a 'great clot of genital fluid held in suspense or reserve', that retained seminal fluid increases intelligence and gives birth to greater images.

hummm, not sure about that one. i look at it as a represention of the human life cycle. how we look b4 we are born and after we are dead. with the umbilical cord representing our lives. and how they will eventually lead to death, but what we do in our youth(or past) represented by the fetus, directly feeds our future.