L2k wrote:while ghost dog does have a few valid points about the auto industry in general and the bailout, I beg to differ about the quality of GM vehicles.
In the late 80's I was buying ford vans and trucks for my plumbing service business (had about 4 of them), by 92-93 I had so many blown transmissions, engines and general problems I swore I'd never buy ford again.
I started buying chevy trucks and vans. Currently I own a 96, 98, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 one ton trucks and vans. The 96 has 200,000 on the original engine and trans, the 98 is pushing 150,000 the 2000 year models are all pushing 100,000 aprox and I haven't done anything to any of them other than oil changes, radiator flushes and brake pads.
Pretty good if you ask me considering none of my fords ever made it to 100k without a major failure.
That's because chevy trucks are their "marquis" model, and 150k is about the best they will do on a lucky day considering the amount of transmissions I have personally changed especially the 90's models just to see their engine give out a week later like it was planned to do it.
Yeah briggs I'm quite aware mustangs aren't a gm product...
My point is they aren't mustangs anymore they are glorified escorts, unless you want to get raped for a shelby model you aren't driving a mustang and even then I don't trust the new shelby models because he doesn't have enough say in the build like it used to be.FFS I have a 2.0 liter engine sitting in my garage,natural aspiration that will run circles around any one of these piece of shit 4.7 V8 and all it has on it is a $300 centerline head. I would advise against anybody planning on buying a mustang released later than 1989 unless you want to get smoked at a red light by a base model jetta 5 speed with a 4 banger.
I'm not surpised a 1996 jeep cherokee is running well because once again it is a marquis model, the engine isn't built it's contracted and even then the AMC 360 and 318 v8 are nothing compared to what they used to be, early model dodge cars and trucks used to rust the entire body off before the motor gave out but no not these days, 4 years into your purchase the bitch runs hot,leaks oil and already has exhaust leaks popping up.
The only good domestic cars for sale today are "performance line" vehicles aka redline,svt,rt etc and those feature so called upgrades that come stock on their competition, and I doubt they did a good job planning out longevity for any of those models I'm pretty sure they said make it look different, go faster than the old one and get it done fast. They do not give a fuck I assure you.
The only vehicle made by a domestic manufacturer that is worth anything is the hummer, not the civilian H2/3/4/5/"why the fuck did you buy this model" model, I mean the H1 diesel model and the only reason that's good is because our government made them do it.
BTW for the original post, never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever buy a intrepid or any other model matching it sebrings and all that crap.
Take a stroll through the junkyard with me (any one will do) and have a look at all the intrepids/sebrings/concorde models lined up broken,junked and beat down and you notice that nobody is even taking spare parts off of them for a reason.
Keefy isn't lying either 100k is nothing to celebrate on a real engine, hell just 2 years ago I dragged a 1978 318 V8 out of my friends yard that had been sitting in bare weather for 3 years maybe more getting rain snow the works on it, after it already had 218,000 miles put on it from a Dart, the motor was seized up and after we pulled the spark plugs and poured transmission fluid into the cylinders,grabbed the crankshaft with a breaker bar while turning the starter it broke loose and is still running to this day with 300k + miles on it in a dodge 100.
Then I see these 1990 and up 318 V8's with valves ticking and pistons slapping they're a joke.