WTF ALREADY?

haha sick!

Briggs wrote:haha sick!

Oh no. It's actually retarded as fuck, having L4D2 so early means we paid 40$ to BETATEST L4D2.

where the fuck is hl2 ep 3

I can haz hl2dm updaet?

I thought L4D was awful in the first place.

Potato wrote:where the fuck is hl2 ep 3

after ep 2 they prolly sit around a table thinking "well guys, we'll have to come up with something about who is the Gman now... :/ "

.conflict wrote:

Potato wrote:where the fuck is hl2 ep 3

after ep 2 they prolly sit around a table thinking "well guys, we'll have to come up with something about who is the Gman now... :/ "

should have done that 10 years ago

.conflict wrote:

Potato wrote:where the fuck is hl2 ep 3

after ep 2 they prolly sit around a table thinking "well guys, we'll have to come up with something about who is the Gman now... :/ "

they just goto a hl fanboy site and pick a good story someone made up

ninojman wrote:

.conflict wrote:

Potato wrote:where the fuck is hl2 ep 3

after ep 2 they prolly sit around a table thinking "well guys, we'll have to come up with something about who is the Gman now... :/ "

they just goto a hl fanboy site and pick a good story someone made up

So they're actually going to make Half life: Full Life Consequences

.conflict wrote:

Briggs wrote:haha sick!

Oh no. It's actually retarded as fuck, having L4D2 so early means we paid 40$ to BETATEST L4D2.

hahaahha good thing then that I'm still waiting for my 75% off sale (I'm sure there is gonna be one D; !!)
Not like I care much if I have l4d though, so....

since there was no actually story that went with the first game, why make a second? just put out new campaign(movies) and/or new weapons.

They've figured L4D is going to die, and have to get new peeps playing it by making a "second" one. More hype, more PR and new!

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:since there was no actually story that went with the first game, why make a second? just put out new campaign(movies) and/or new weapons.

that is what they are doing.

Genius marketing have to admit.


But I'm also wondering about Episode 3. A trailer? A screen? A mention? Won't be out this year. Probably not next year. Year after that....nah

Turtle rock studios suck donkey balls anyway, they don't touch hl2 episodes.

L4D is the best they have come up with after what...CSS? CSS has to be the most random shitty hit reg game I've ever played in my life I'm not surprised so many kids love it, they think they're good nailing random strafing ak headshots from 400 feet.

well if the game is anything like the vid this version is gonna kick ass compared to l4d1

first off the zombies which its safe to call them that now they are exhibiting missing limbs jawbones and eyes compared to l4d1 which is a major realism improvement

next if you notice the pistol runs out of ammo facing that gimpy tank fucker

and the melee mechanics are pretty different and it will be nice to see a difference to the attack style of, I know ill elbow these zombies off instead of nailing them in the head with the but of my rifle or pistol and hopefully this time it will have some quality textures cuz last 1 even on highest sucked balls texture wise

this 1 is more Dawn of the dead (2004) style to it compared to Night of the living Dead (1968) style so I'm looking forward to it but I don't think I'm gonna purchase it anytime soon

How many real life zombies have you seen neo?

for hl2 ep3, they have to wait to get enough games for orange box 2, portal 2...maybe something new...i would assume

Charging for a pc zombie mod is the gaming equivalent of selling ice in antarctica... and valves managing to pull it off. Whatever else i may think of them, ive gotta give them credit for that.

Ko-Tao wrote:Charging for a pc zombie mod is the gaming equivalent of selling ice in antarctica... and valves managing to pull it off. Whatever else i may think of them, ive gotta give them credit for that.

LOL. The problem is everyone is nuts about zombies.

Case in point: At least 6 zombie games came out in 2008 and there are tons of zombie mods: zombie panic, zombie css, zombie DM, zombie this, zombie that. WTF already!

As far as Ep3: this was pretty much all I could find on it and this is dated as it is:
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/0 ... y-list.htm

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008 ... l-2010.ars

quote from the pc.ign article:

"....And since Valve employees get to choose their next project..."
which may answer for many many questions (e.g. why L4D 2? e.g. where is HL2EP3? e.g. why aren't there any updates for HL2DM...etc. etc.. etc).

aaaand
i also agree this is great marketing.
i also agree we've been (and still are) beta testing for valve (like we do for MS, Sony, HP and a slew of other manufactures)
i will be spending my money on l4d 2
HL2DM is still the best game ever. has nothing to do with yes or no L4D lol.

keefy wrote:How many real life zombies have you seen neo?

my mom in the morning cuz if it takes her 6 shots of espresso to get started she has to have had no pulse that night

and besides that i don't care about perfect realism how many combine have you seen in RL? but you will find humans smg's shotguns and physics some realism is good when it comes to games if i wanted more realistic then i would go on a homicidal rampage and take pictures of ppl assaulting me. after i attack them with a plumbers wrench

Damn, i thought Left For Dead was that Christian Revelation stuff starring Kirk Cameron, or whatever, the kid that looks like Rudy with 80s hair, you know.

Oh lawdy. Here we go.

Would be much cooler if this was a 25.00 expansion pack or something, then it's justifiable.

Although, the ai director 2.0 sounds pretty sweet. I dont think the gameplay is what makes/made L4D so popular. Its the genre, and it seems rather revolutionary in the FPS community. I look forward to this new director changing the maps every time you play it, being smarter and all that other shit.

Does it do teh suck for modders/mappers who are devoting time to L4D only to have their work overlooked because of L4D2? Sure it does. Does that bother me, nah, I dont do either.

I can forsee Valve including all the original content of the first game into the 2nd. Meaning, at some point I see a patch that will allow you to choose the old survivors, the maps will be there, and wut not. Shit, may even be included when you buy it. But then again, I highly highly highly doubt it will come out Nov. 17th 2009. They are just starting the cash crop again is all, we shall see this game in 2010, fall time. And it will all be good.

For all who think the game is shit, due to the random nature of things or whatever your reason (most likely cuz u never got good)
you should try playing a server with the CEVO mods, TWL mods, or any other league mod. It makes the game much more level and then it totally depends on how good you and the team are, not how many kits you get. Speaking off which, all pills...no kits...tank spawns every level, witch ever other level. Makes it much funner and challenging.

The pub scene for this game will not last long at all, to much raging, people playing only4 infected turns, so many shitty servers, so many. These ruin the game, and I think valve may realize this a bit.
The comp scene is rather small atm, but getting much notice with money tourneys and wut not. Dont be hating the game because you've had a couple bad experience with random mofos. OMG THIS GAME SUCKS. Why do I die when I attack 4 survivors by myself and i do no damage cuz I jumped 2 feet of the ground level at them?

I view shit talk about L4D the same as nubs calling B-Hoppers haxs, scripts. Its obvious you dont know wut your talking about. I play the pubs and the game sucks...get friends and play together, co-ordinate attacks...game is fun. oh my.

L4D 2 is shitty though so soon. wow. wall of text ftw tldr whoops, this is dm forum.

i think its a joke for anyone who has spent any cash on l4d1. they should offer it as a $5 update for anyone who owns l4d1 and to be honest i don't think id get it at that price. i don't think its even a good game. i've had it a while and have spent around 4 hours on it in total before getting mind numbingly bored by its repetitiveness. It was for for all of a few hours but does not have enough diversity to keep me interested.

holymoly wrote:I'm going to say that EA, the company who is distributing the XBOX version of l4d, has Valve by the balls on something and is making them do this.

I think this is why, l4d1 doesn't even have sdk,stv,server browsers yet. We will see what happens people are going crazy over this. I am sure they will have to take a step back and either rename it and call it an expansion or add a whole lot more then melee re-skins and weapon re-skins

i think many people are missing the point.
this is my take anyway for what it's worth:
Times are tough. business are on the low. this is happening all over the world. this situation dictates the rules. period.
what this means is ALL developers are doing ALL they can to SECURE THE SALE. this means sure shots. this means focusing on their biggest target market = 9 to 15 yr old kids. not you. the older gaming community is not understanding we are not the gross. we are the lesser part. the minority.
Formula is simple : kids like games > kids ask mom and dad to buy them games > new game comes out > kids get game > SALE.
YOU and I have nothing to do with it.
hope that was clear enough.

whitewolf wrote:Would be much cooler if this was a 25.00 expansion pack or something, then it's justifiable.

Although, the ai director 2.0 sounds pretty sweet. I dont think the gameplay is what makes/made L4D so popular. Its the genre, and it seems rather revolutionary in the FPS community. I look forward to this new director changing the maps every time you play it, being smarter and all that other shit.

Does it do teh suck for modders/mappers who are devoting time to L4D only to have their work overlooked because of L4D2? Sure it does. Does that bother me, nah, I dont do either.

I can forsee Valve including all the original content of the first game into the 2nd. Meaning, at some point I see a patch that will allow you to choose the old survivors, the maps will be there, and wut not. Shit, may even be included when you buy it. But then again, I highly highly highly doubt it will come out Nov. 17th 2009. They are just starting the cash crop again is all, we shall see this game in 2010, fall time. And it will all be good.

For all who think the game is shit, due to the random nature of things or whatever your reason (most likely cuz u never got good)
you should try playing a server with the CEVO mods, TWL mods, or any other league mod. It makes the game much more level and then it totally depends on how good you and the team are, not how many kits you get. Speaking off which, all pills...no kits...tank spawns every level, witch ever other level. Makes it much funner and challenging.

The pub scene for this game will not last long at all, to much raging, people playing only4 infected turns, so many shitty servers, so many. These ruin the game, and I think valve may realize this a bit.
The comp scene is rather small atm, but getting much notice with money tourneys and wut not. Dont be hating the game because you've had a couple bad experience with random mofos. OMG THIS GAME SUCKS. Why do I die when I attack 4 survivors by myself and i do no damage cuz I jumped 2 feet of the ground level at them?

I view shit talk about L4D the same as nubs calling B-Hoppers haxs, scripts. Its obvious you dont know wut your talking about. I play the pubs and the game sucks...get friends and play together, co-ordinate attacks...game is fun. oh my.

L4D 2 is shitty though so soon. wow. wall of text ftw tldr whoops, this is dm forum.

sup rachir

<kyle> wrote:

sup rachir

LOL the secret is out... I almost did the same thing... lol

[EYE] Valar wrote:i think many people are missing the point.
this is my take anyway for what it's worth:
Times are tough. business are on the low. this is happening all over the world. this situation dictates the rules. period.
what this means is ALL developers are doing ALL they can to SECURE THE SALE. this means sure shots. this means focusing on their biggest target market = 9 to 15 yr old kids. not you. the older gaming community is not understanding we are not the gross. we are the lesser part. the minority.
Formula is simple : kids like games > kids ask mom and dad to buy them games > new game comes out > kids get game > SALE.
YOU and I have nothing to do with it.
hope that was clear enough.

ya but we don't have to ask for money, although we can wait a week or two for them to drop the prices

i guess. depending on how well the game is doing you know that.
in any case, i think for me and i know for many many others young and old L4D has more than earned its $. for me within the first month.

im not buying it unless there is a lot of changes

would have been kick ass if valve had this as dlc you pay for

I don't get why this can't just be a big update for current customers, I know it's all about the money but it looks like the same engine with slightly different player models. Why not make an expansion rather than a sequel in less than a year? Valve must be laughing all the way to the bank with this one, because it will be a big hit no matter the cost.

Not like it was a state secret. And Hi to u too.

was weird. One day I couldn't come here, the next day I could. U can ban me again now if u want, not needed I think.

why were you banned. you're one of the coolest guys i know round here.

I stalk the video game isle at Best Buy alot and I dont see prices coming down all that fast. Games seem to keep their $40-$50 price tag for quite a while. If the game is tanking, the price drops quick, but if its a game that is selling well, only when a new version is coming out or the game is a year old does the price drop significantly. Around here, L4D is still @ $50.

Ban Rachkir! Ban Rachkir! Ban...

Jk

[EYE] Valar wrote:why were you banned. you're one of the coolest guys i know round here.

he wanted to be

yea, what he said up there.

freaked out on the community for awhile. Im a happy solider now.

figured if i couldnt control myself, get rid of me.

Potato wrote:where the fuck is hl2 ep 3

what he said.

Paradox wrote:

Ko-Tao wrote:Charging for a pc zombie mod is the gaming equivalent of selling ice in antarctica... and valves managing to pull it off. Whatever else i may think of them, ive gotta give them credit for that.

LOL. The problem is everyone is nuts about zombies.

Case in point: At least 6 zombie games came out in 2008 and there are tons of zombie mods: zombie panic, zombie css, zombie DM, zombie this, zombie that. WTF already!

As far as Ep3: this was pretty much all I could find on it and this is dated as it is:
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/0 ... y-list.htm

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008 ... l-2010.ars

hl1,hl2 ep1,ep2 is all based on.....get this.....zombies!

zmbeez r fun

Walking_Target isn't in support for the game

->The mario administrator http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott

The HL series story has zombies in it but it is not based on zombies. There are a lot of other antagonists (ant lions, bull squids, vortigaunts, headcrabs etc) in the story and some (the combine) take just as much of a role of not more.

HL1 is about the incident at Black Mesa which opened a rift to another dimension called Xen. Gordon has to fight against what is described as a "Military Death squad" and other aliens (vortigaunts, head crabs) to find and kill the Nihilanth which is keeping the rift open.

In HL2, the combine has conquered the Earth. The "combine" forces we see that look like the military forces from HL1 appear to be a human based force. So there is a bit of a hole in the story there to explain that relationship.

Ep1 and Ep2 is about the human resistance's efforts to ultimately defeat the combine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_(computer_game)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ops_(Half-Life)

Paradox wrote: In HL2, the combine has conquered the Earth. The "combine" forces we see that look like the military forces from HL1 appear to be a human based force. So there is a bit of a hole in the story there to explain that relationship.

[nerd] the combine mechanically modified humans using their techonology to create the overwatch force the player battles with in half-life 2. they did this in nova prospekt and the citadel. [/nerd]

Still not finished episode 2, doubt I ever will.

then i stand corrected (would still like to know your source for these figures).
now, if this is indeed the case..then it seems to me that the "gaming community" has been and still is showing a consumer common denominator of a child. why else would the gaming industry (by that - the successful devs) go by kids' standards?!
not that i'm not enjoying these games but for argument's sake; this is how Valve's recent marketing campaigns look to me.

Video Game industry stats

http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp

Highlights of relavance

1.U.S. computer and video game software sales grew 22.9 percent in 2008 to $11.7 billion – more than quadrupling industry software sales since 1996.
2.Sixty-eight percent of American households play computer or video games.
3.The average game player is 35 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.
4.The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 39 years old.
5.Forty percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (34 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).
6.In 2009, 25 percent of Americans over the age of 50 play video games, an increase from nine percent in 1999.

@ #1 I have heard it said that Video game sales have been one of the few items that have done better in this economy, not worse. Games are cheap entertainment comparatively. I would bet that EA's stock is down mostly because of the economy, and not so much because of a specific problem with them alone. Pretty much all stocks are down and down hard right now.

Here are a couple of facts that dont bode well for those of us that like computer games and FPS games:
In 2008:
Game console software sales totaled $6.6 billion with 153.9 million units sold;
Computer games sales were $910.7 million with 36.4 million units sold; and,
There was a record $2.0 billion in portable software sales with 77.5 million units sold.

The genre with the greatest growth was "Family Entertainment," which grew 110 percent over the previous year. Family games accounted to 17.2 percent of all games sold in 2007, more than one of every six games sold, up from 9.1 percent in 2006. In addition, of the games sold in 2007, 56.6 percent were rated "Early Childhood (EC)," "Everyone (E)" and "Everyone 10+ (E10+)." The NPD Group's data also indicates that only 15 percent of games sold last year were rated "Mature (M)."


Alot of the game developers are investing in that family and console market. Computer games and FPS games are a small segment of the market and may be on the way out it seems.

keefy wrote:Still not finished episode 2, doubt I ever will.

You're missing out. The last part of ep2 is probably the best hl2 has to offer so far.

Sacrifist wrote:

keefy wrote:Still not finished episode 2, doubt I ever will.

You're missing out. The last part of ep2 is probably the best hl2 has to offer so far.

Kinda made me laugh but then i was like oh shit...

Game industry is growing and is said likely to out sell other forums of digital entertainment. I won't be surprised if it is already doing so, they also stated game industry will not be hit that hard by the economy down turn compared to other industries. Its mainly doing so because a game is seen as a good investment for your money and valve in terms of entertainment you get.

Now frankly I am not at all too pleased every game I buy is a investment in my eyes and it sure as well has to be good quality as well have good game life span. This comes even more important in multiplayer based games such as L4D now I played it and stripped it for everything its has and only got 6 or so hours out of it before me and my m8 got tired of it. Now this to me is a poor investment and so what I was hoping is that valve would up hold on their commitment to add additional content free to their products like they do with TF2 which BTW they have said earns them more sales by adding more content to it which is very cheap to do than making a whole new release. This is a slap in the face from a development team which I can only describe as lazy rather than focusing and try get more work done to hl2:3 and bring forth the release date than wasted it on a remake of a game they recently released (recent in terms of how long sequel for games are usually taken) that probably little difference between the two other than game mode and weapons. I mean seriously these guys make good games but they should get their priorities sorted gaming community was more in want of hl2:3 than L4D2 a tarted up version of a game released year ago. What they should do is give PC owners a free upgrade to L4D2 that has L4D content as well just flog L4D2 a a separate game and let the xbox mugs get ripped off only.

l4d 2 and hl2 ep3 are not developed by the same people at valve.

Paradox wrote:The HL series story has zombies in it but it is not based on zombies. There are a lot of other antagonists (ant lions, bull squids, vortigaunts, headcrabs etc) in the story and some (the combine) take just as much of a role of not more.

HL1 is about the incident at Black Mesa which opened a rift to another dimension called Xen. Gordon has to fight against what is described as a "Military Death squad" and other aliens (vortigaunts, head crabs) to find and kill the Nihilanth which is keeping the rift open.

In HL2, the combine has conquered the Earth. The "combine" forces we see that look like the military forces from HL1 appear to be a human based force. So there is a bit of a hole in the story there to explain that relationship.

Ep1 and Ep2 is about the human resistance's efforts to ultimately defeat the combine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_(computer_game)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ops_(Half-Life)

hl haS ZOMBIES



while l4d doesn't have zombies, they are infected

EA sucks. Activision stock is a better indicator. Take Two was doing quite well on the back of the GTA series, but I dunno about now. Acclaim went bankrupt after betting the farm on their Turok series. Each company lives or dies based on their flagship games it seems.

Yes and if their gamble doesn't pay off the lose a ton of dough and possibly go under.

I have heard that in the current economy companies are becoming less willing to invest large amounts of corporate resources on large, development intensive and epensive to produce games. Also it seems the shooter market may be tapped out and companies may now begin to develop games the know they can sell a million copies of for things like the Wii instead of 100,000 copies to PC gamers which makes me sad to think about. Given the stats above and from what I have seen, I may have to break down and go buy a fucking xbox because there are games coming out for it that sound cool but they aren't being released for PC :'(

LOL @ Nino. Technically yes, butmost people I know call them zombies.... They don't say "Here come the infected" in game, the do say "Here comes the horde" or "zombies"

hehe. yea, this is a common mistake also done many times by Valve themselves. infected are diff from zombies in the sense zombies are living dead and infected are still alive and never died. until...the met my autoshotty. but hey now..they both act and look the same hence, i guess the mistake.
btw, the "zombies" in HL aren't even zombies really. they are completely and most definitely dead. the headcrabs use their bodies as host to move around. shoot the "zombie" and you'll see the headcrab is still very active.

Walking Target wrote:Each company lives or dies based on their flagship games it seems.

COMPANY DIES and FLAGSHIP in the same sentence got me laughing

taking a shot in the dark on this, without using that little google search thing at the top.


flagship was a company that died ?

whitewolf wrote:taking a shot in the dark on this, without using that little google search thing at the top.


flagship was a company that died ?

The ship sank, spectacularly that is.

Hellgate:London rings you any bell? 8D

yes it does. I own that game, I actually enjoyed it quite a bit while it lasted (4 me it was short). I remember re-installing it one day and there was no master server for it any longer. Bummer.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott

25k members so far, be interesting to see valves response (if any).

Thats over 1m in potential lost revenue, btw.

Ko-Tao wrote:http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott

25k members so far, be interesting to see valves response (if any).

Thats over 1m in potential lost revenue, btw.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ar ... ?id=217181

.conflict wrote:

Ko-Tao wrote:http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott

25k members so far, be interesting to see valves response (if any).

Thats over 1m in potential lost revenue, btw.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ar ... ?id=217181

"according to Faliszek, Left 4 Dead 2's five new campaigns, new weapons, special infected and zombie dismemberment are simply too huge to put in an update."

What a crock of crap that part is, they must think people are stupid.

Urm they are..... People are gona buy it anyway and Valve will laugh all the way to the bank.

i wouldn't underestimate both sides

does it really matter? when has valve released a game on time? let alone a sequel to a game within a year?

november 2009 is lie. we will see this game available to buy well after that date, and then people will be ready for it.

so chill the fuck out.

and who cares if valve ripps people off. shame on you for not being smart enough to realize it and chose your own decision.

that shits called life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4o2LnV2mA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpfJ6eSCmyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShMsTZIppHY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9PWp5tBQFk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxT2sXP3xOI
lol at perfect dark's alarm^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roy9M1zFHz0


IMHO having melee weapons AND STILL the ability to melee /w weapons... idk...
Beta footage or not, so far its 4 new character models, maps and some new weapons, something we'd already have off FPSBANANA if they would've released the SDK ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxT2sXP3xOI
lol at perfect dark's alarm^

I noticed that too but then I also notice alot of films use the same library of sound effects or is it the other way round?

Link

Link

Fookin LOL man that L4D2 boycott vid is funny. Someone should show Valve this nonsense as they have lost the plot.
Well done .conflict

have absolutely no doubt in your mind Valve is reading all these forums and know exactly what's going on.

[EYE] Valar wrote:have absolutely no doubt in your mind Valve is reading all these forums and know exactly what's going on.

and they are probably laughing as hard as that guy in the second video, knowing that more than half of the 30,000 people who joined the boycott group are going to buy it anyway along with the other 500,000 people.

Those two videos were awesome, I really lol at that.