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Paradox

2009-07-13 09:10:23

Sometimes you come across people that just are set in their beliefs and nothing you can do will change their minds. These are those kind of people.
I told them it wasnt a script, they said "I cant do what you are doing just by pressing keys so its cheating."
I offered to teach them but their response was "I dont want to learn. We dont need any 'extras' here to play this game"

As sad as it is and as much as I hate to say it: they are noobs and always will be noobs because they have an extremely closed mind and cant see beyond their own little world.

Vendetta7_7_7

2009-07-13 10:47:49

LOL...I definitely know what you're talkin' about...I was on many "noob" servers and had many complain that I was a cheater and was hacking in some sort of way because I was hopping...one guy on the LMPQ LOUIS QUEBEC (or whateva) server said that I was a "pussy" for doing so...it kinda pissed me off but I stayed and offered to even play w/o bhop...when I did he complained that my aim was too good and I was aimbotting... I dunno...some very narrow minded peeps in this online world...guess they'll always be "noobs"...sad really

<3 you Para

Pernicious

2009-07-13 12:52:14

lawl, someone tell them that sv_cheats 1 enables an extra cheat detection feature, then ill go on an mess with their server

Paradox

2009-07-14 00:21:33

Honestly I sometimes feel caught between two worlds and I wish I had never gotten as good as I am at this game. Thats not saying much cause I suck compared to most of you. I am too good for most pubs where people bitch and think I am hacking or I clean out a server. I am not good enough for a league team because I cant hold my own against serious players. There just seems to be no in between. Its very frustrating.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-07-14 02:25:28

lol, i got baned from a server once because they said i cant use the same weapon to kill ppl in a row. meaning, if i kill somebody with xbow, my next kill has to be with another weapon. im totally serious.

<kyle>

2009-07-14 05:50:17

lol i was playing there and didnt get banned :S

Sacrifist

2009-07-14 08:09:41

<kyle> wrote:lol i was playing there and didnt get banned :S

Maybe they are trying to tell you something kyle... lmao

<kyle>

2009-07-14 08:54:29

Sacrifist wrote:
<kyle> wrote:lol i was playing there and didnt get banned :S
Maybe they are trying to tell you something kyle... lmao

1v1?

Walking Target

2009-07-14 21:28:19

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:lol, i got baned from a server once because they said i cant use the same weapon to kill ppl in a row. meaning, if i kill somebody with xbow, my next kill has to be with another weapon. im totally serious.

Yup, I have experienced such rules before. There used to be an entire clan that played that way constantly, but I don't recall their name.

Sacrifist

2009-07-14 21:35:08

<kyle> wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:
<kyle> wrote:lol i was playing there and didnt get banned :S
Maybe they are trying to tell you something kyle... lmao
1v1?

lol trust me, they wouldnt ban me either....Plus, Im joking, you are a talented player

badinfluence

2009-07-14 21:37:22

Their server is down anyways.

Paradox

2009-07-15 00:44:29

Probably having the IP changed so we dont go in there any more...lol

DEATH-ANGEL

2009-07-15 01:19:19

Or blast crashed it for us.

<kyle>

2009-07-15 02:37:05

Sacrifist wrote: lol trust me, they wouldnt ban me either....Plus, Im joking, you are a talented player

lewl im just bustin your chops too

Uncle Rico

2009-07-15 05:21:14

You're all doing it wrong. When they start with their shit, ask them if they've enabled the 'extra' features. "No? Oh, just exec lab in console. That'll fix you guys up."
Then enjoy the lulz. gg.

Paradox

2009-07-15 07:11:41

exec lab......I have no idea what that does and Im not gona test it.....

Potato

2009-07-15 07:14:01

Paradox wrote:exec lab......I have no idea what that does and Im not gona test it.....

puts you back to default game settings or something like that, but its annoying.

Paradox

2009-07-15 08:13:47

lol....Im pretty sure these guys use default. "If it wasnt put in the game by Valve and you cant do it right out of the box then its a script...."

They probably dont even know you can change the key binds through options.

keefy

2009-07-15 08:14:50

There are only 2 commands that messes you up when ou exec lab
cl_forwardspeed
cl_backspeed

They get set to around 50 so you end up walking everywhere.
If you have aseperate user.cfg or autoexec with all your binds and settings just add those 2 to it so you simply exec autoexec/user in console nd its all fixed.

Paradox

2009-07-15 21:58:41

pfft....no Let me help you find a place to stick that fiddle where the sun doesnt shine....

Closed minded people just irritate me. Noobs that refuse to accept the fact that people can be better than them without scripts are those type of people.

dbanimal

2009-07-15 22:06:58

Paradox wrote:I wish I had never gotten as good as I am at this game.

I played against you a few times, you're ok!

Don't you just love being called a hacker though? Take it as a huge compliment!

Blasphemy

2009-07-16 00:25:37

their server their rules

ninjins

2009-07-16 02:21:20

hahahaha this kind of stuff is too good. i need my internet back again for lulz and shinanigans. one of these days.

kyle, we'll 1v1 when i get back. and you'll lose. cause i havnt played in weeks. i play better when i havnt played.

Paradox

2009-07-16 02:56:27

dbanimal wrote:
Paradox wrote:I wish I had never gotten as good as I am at this game.
I played against you a few times, you're ok!

Don't you just love being called a hacker though? Take it as a huge compliment!

Well TY.

Yeah I know I need to try and think of it more like that. I just know I could teach them, but they dont want to be taught/helped so I should just let it go.

Paradox

2009-07-16 05:01:43

Yep they changed the IP....lol

76.241.126.117:27015

n3cr0tos1n

2009-07-16 06:03:35

Stupid people say stupid things, they must be stupid.

CrazyBruts

2009-07-16 16:56:46

Wow! I might be able to get banned for being too good? LMAO!! That would be great...I'm gonna try that!

n3cr0tos1n

2009-07-16 20:46:47

lol @ frank

EagleMan65

2009-07-17 22:07:01

I've been in this guy's server, and he's a very fair person.

When you first log into his server, he has the rules displayed. I must be lead to think that most of you don't read those rules, but click OK and jump right into the game.

Even then, the guy told you several times he did not want any bunny-hopping, or other such abilities that stray away from the basic game play. Using flaws in the game, such as pushing yourself into an object, are frowned on some servers.

You have to consider the facts that tricks like bunny-hopping, scout jumping, ect, are so difficult that videos are made to teach one how to do it.

This server doesn't wish to learn those techniques or want them in their server, which is their choice.

They also believe newcomers to the game should have a fair chance at the game, not get their butts handed to them on a silver platter because they're unaware or unable to make use of the game flaws.

If you don't like his server, go to another one. Why let your feelings get hurt once you were banned after repeated warnings to stop with the tricks?

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2009-07-17 22:31:06

EagleMan65 wrote:I've been in this guy's server, and he's a very fair person.

When you first log into his server, he has the rules displayed. I must be lead to think that most of you don't read those rules, but click OK and jump right into the game.

Even then, the guy told you several times he did not want any bunny-hopping, or other such abilities that stray away from the basic game play. Using flaws in the game, such as pushing yourself into an object, are frowned on some servers.

You have to consider the facts that tricks like bunny-hopping, scout jumping, ect, are so difficult that videos are made to teach one how to do it.

This server doesn't wish to learn those techniques or want them in their server, which is their choice.

They also believe newcomers to the game should have a fair chance at the game, not get their butts handed to them on a silver platter because they're unaware or unable to make use of the game flaws.

If you don't like his server, go to another one. Why let your feelings get hurt once you were banned after repeated warnings to stop with the tricks?

gtfo nobody cares about your server.

Why let your feelings get hurt and show up here out of nowhere to further get your feelings hurt.

gtfo

EagleMan65

2009-07-17 23:09:14

What are you talking about? You think i'm the owner of the server?

You couldn't be further from the truth.

I was, however, in the server when Paradox entered and told the owner that he was going to post the server's IP address in this forum.

I agree with the server owner's thoughts: Is it right for you to use an unfair advantage on new users by abusing the game system's flaw just for the sole purpose of a high score?

Are you afraid that if you play without bunny hopping, you actually suck and can not hold your own in the game?

I think that is the case: without using your game flaws, you would get your butt kicked. You can't play without them, because you don't have the skillset to hold your own without the use of scripts/flaws.

thatguy

2009-07-17 23:28:53

if you could kick our butt's without using bunny hopping wouldn't the new players still get their asses kicked?

EagleMan65

2009-07-17 23:31:37

At least it would be done fairly, and they would get better.

dbanimal

2009-07-17 23:36:03

EagleMan65 wrote:What are you talking about? You think i'm the owner of the server?

You couldn't be further from the truth.

I was, however, in the server when Paradox entered and told the owner that he was going to post the server's IP address in this forum.

I agree with the server owner's thoughts: Is it right for you to use an unfair advantage on new users by abusing the game system's flaw just for the sole purpose of a high score?

Are you afraid that if you play without bunny hopping, you actually suck and can not hold your own in the game?

I think that is the case: without using your game flaws, you would get your butt kicked. You can't play without them, because you don't have the skillset to hold your own without the use of scripts/flaws.

So what about the nonsense of switching weapons after each kill or get banned? What's the owners reasoning behind that one, huh?

EagleMan65

2009-07-17 23:44:10

dbanimal wrote:So what about the nonsense of switching weapons after each kill or get banned? What's the owners reasoning behind that one, huh?

As far as I know he doesn't have any such rules about the weapons.

I've killed him 3 times in a row with the crossbow, never heard a complaint about it.

It's also not listed in his rules. You might have him confused with another server.

dbanimal

2009-07-17 23:56:47

EagleMan65 wrote:
dbanimal wrote:So what about the nonsense of switching weapons after each kill or get banned? What's the owners reasoning behind that one, huh?
As far as I know he doesn't have any such rules about the weapons.

I've killed him 3 times in a row with the crossbow, never heard a complaint about it.

It's also not listed in his rules. You might have him confused with another server.

My sincere apologies, I referenced the below post and missed the part of him being on a server, not this one!

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:lol, i got baned from a server once because they said i cant use the same weapon to kill ppl in a row. meaning, if i kill somebody with xbow, my next kill has to be with another weapon. im totally serious.

Sorry.

Paradox

2009-07-18 00:44:02

EagleMan65 wrote: I was, however, in the server when Paradox entered and told the owner that he was going to post the server's IP address in this forum.

That Sir, Is and outright fucking lie. I never told anyone I was going to post the IP and I only did it so that people here didnt go in there expecting a decent game only to run across a bunch of closed minded jerks that think that anyone better than them is a hacker. If you really were there, youll remember I offered to teach them how, but they cant see past their own little world to what the possibilities might be.

I dont use bhop to get a higher score, I use it because it makes the game faster and more challenging and its fun. I guarantee most of the ppl here can out aim those guys in a heartbeat from a stand still. Its called skill.

Ko-Tao

2009-07-18 00:45:36

Valve stated, previous to the $100,000 FIOS hl2dm tournament, that the techniques of bunnyhopping, gravnading and speedballing were all "within the expectations of the game engine". Pretty much closes that subject.

And no, random pubbers dont win, or even come close, against competitive players who forego use of the above techniques. The match ends up quite a bit slower paced, but the end result is the same as ever.

Lastly, will the real Blue Lightning please step forward!

EagleMan65

2009-07-18 01:10:47

It doesn't matter if it's "within the expectations of the game engine".

The point is, this guy has rules for his own server.

Is he not allowed to have rules against those flaw-techniques?

Is he supposed to allow you to break the rules of his server, just because you don't want to play the game any other way? And if he bans you after repeatably warning you about using those flaw-techniques, he is in the wrong?

Find another server to use that stuff on, if you don't like his rules.

That is my whole point of my response(s) here.

thatguy

2009-07-18 01:54:12

you cant ban a part of a game just cause you dont like it

Panic

2009-07-18 02:25:39

I was playing there earlier, and he must not have noticed me bhopping at first, but I did so for about 3-4 kills before he said something. So I was like "OK I'll stop bhopping and still beat you", so I just started walking around with an xbow, and whataya know, I kept winning, and boom banz0r'd!@!@

That server rules!

EagleMan65

2009-07-18 02:46:48

Panic wrote:I was playing there earlier, and he must not have noticed me bhopping at first, but I did so for about 3-4 kills before he said something. So I was like "OK I'll stop bhopping and still beat you", so I just started walking around with an xbow, and whataya know, I kept winning, and boom banz0r'd!@!@

You didn't keep winning.

I got the transcript from them about what really happened:

ιη^panic has joined the game
ιη^panic killed sub_genius_1 with crossbow_bolt.
ιη^panic killed sub_genius_1 with smg1_grenade.
ιη^panic killed Sparky Ghost with grenade_frag.
ιη^panic killed sub_genius_1 with smg1_grenade.
ιη^panic killed sub_genius_1 with shotgun.
ιη^panic : why?
ιη^panic : why?
ιη^panic : ill beat you without bhopping
ιη^panic : too scared to spawn?
ιη^panic left the game (Disconnect by user.)

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2009-07-18 02:50:34

If you don't own the server, the fact you are here F5ing this thread is sad.

Bunnyhop or not you're not good at this game don't try that old bullshit "you can't win without it" routine especially here, you're not the first.Your rape would be efficient either way.

Another thing nobody gives a shit about the server but they aren't going to sit silent when you join here to defend another persons server, it's obvious you guys want to smash newbs all day and don't want us around.

Paradox

2009-07-18 02:52:30

Panic: You got banned because Sub_genus thinks hes the shit cause he can pwn his friends so when someone better than him comes in he cant deal with it.

Eagle: If I had been told nicely (as I have on other servers) that advanced techniques werent allowed there, I would have left quietly and nothing else would have come of it. Instead I got called a cheater and a scripter because your friends are idiots and Sub_genus has a tiny little ego that players with an iota of skill shatter into a million pieces because they can jump out of the way of his over tossed smg nades. Perhaps a bit more deplomacy and less boorishness would get your friend further and keep his little sanctuary free of skilled players that can actually kill him more than he them so he can stay up on top of his stats list.

haymaker

2009-07-18 02:53:37

So you'd quti playing hockey because it's too hard to learn to skate? You can't stay in peewee forever. Eventually a pile of the 'regulars' on this 'server' are gonna get good at the advanced stuff, and then what? Ban them?

Voluntary ignorance = stupidity

Christian

2009-07-18 03:07:30

EagleMan65 wrote:It doesn't matter if it's "within the expectations of the game engine".

The point is, this guy has rules for his own server.

Is he not allowed to have rules against those flaw-techniques?

Is he supposed to allow you to break the rules of his server, just because you don't want to play the game any other way? And if he bans you after repeatably warning you about using those flaw-techniques, he is in the wrong?

Find another server to use that stuff on, if you don't like his rules.

That is my whole point of my response(s) here.

It DOES matter that it's within the expectations of the game engine, it's why they are NOT "flaw-techniques". In fact, if they were flaw-techniques, they wouldn't BE within the expectations of the game engine, indicating a flaw.

That said, the server owner is totally within his rights to make it a rule that advanced techniques aren't allowed.

And yes, you are right, if we don't like that rule, we should play somewhere else... Which is the whole point of this thread! The point of this thread is to warn others NOT play there, in a server with such rules, which is apparently "the whole point of your response(s)"! It seems rather redundant to come here and tell us not to go in that server if we don't like it, when the thread is to warn others not to go there because we wouldn't like it....

EagleMan65

2009-07-18 03:17:38

It's his rules for the server.

He doesn't want those game flaws, which you call 'advanced techniques' used in his server.

The rules are displayed when you enter, don't you ever read them? Is it wrong for him to ban those who don't obey the rules? He gives them several chances, as he did with Panic. Panic kept bunnyhopping and asking 'why? why? why?' like a 3 year old.

I entered a sever one time that said if I changed my username to put THEIR klan name at the front of my name, they would ban me. So if I changed my name and did it anyways, and they banned me, would they be in the wrong? No.. because I disobeyed their rules.

At least this Sub_Genius guy gives you a couple of chances to stop the game-flaws before he finally has to do something about it. He gave panic several chances.. finally Sub and the other guy gave up and waited patiently for Panic to leave of his own free will.

Besides Sub_Genius is a nice guy, another guy came in while I was there today and plainly ASKED to be banned, so he quickly did as the guy so politely requested.

EagleMan65

2009-07-18 03:36:37

Christian wrote:
EagleMan65 wrote:It DOES matter that it's within the expectations of the game engine, it's why they are NOT "flaw-techniques". In fact, if they were flaw-techniques, they wouldn't BE within the expectations of the game engine, indicating a flaw.

They ARE flaws. Tricking the system into thinking you are part of an object, then climbing up a wall that clearly has no ladder, IS cheating. Using a combination of key strokes to trick the server's distance feature to jump from one side of the map to another in a single jump, IS cheating via a system flaw.

VALVE did NOT put these moves in the game for you to use. Somebody came across them by accident, and now you guys have an entire website dedicated to game flaws which you call 'advanced techniques'.

And this post was NOT setup to warn others. Anybody who entered his server could read the rules for themselves, and take note that those 'techniques' are not allowed there.

Making a post to warn people was not needed. But this wasn't to warn others, now was it?

I think you were looking to drive people to further harass a guy who wants to run a fair server.

People like Pernicious proved it when he told people to get the owner to type in an 'allow cheat function' so he could screw with the server, and somebody requesting Blast to shut the guy's server down.

You're like internet bullies who refuse to obey by the rules. I bet you were the kids who got picked last for a team, and got your behinds kicked on a daily basis at school. You've probably also spent your fair share stuck in a locker throughout middle and high school.

Today, you're still a geek, but you enjoy harassing and toying with users over the internet, because you know you couldn't get away with it in real life.

I bet most of you are over 300 lbs, diabetic, and have hard time breathing if you try to stand up. So you sit online 24/7 playing video games and using game flaws which you refer to as 'advanced techniques'.

Anyhoo, I'm not going to bother wasting anymore time with you crybabies.

GatesMcTaste

2009-07-18 03:42:48

EagleMan65 wrote: THEIR klan name at the front of my name

clan with a k, that means trouble...

EagleMan65 wrote:
Christian wrote:
EagleMan65 wrote:It DOES matter that it's within the expectations of the game engine, it's why they are NOT "flaw-techniques". In fact, if they were flaw-techniques, they wouldn't BE within the expectations of the game engine, indicating a flaw.
They ARE flaws. Tricking the system into thinking you are part of an object, then climbing up a wall that clearly has no ladder, IS cheating. Using a combination of key strokes to trick the server's distance feature to jump from one side of the map to another in a single jump, IS cheating via a system flaw.

VALVE did NOT put these moves in the game for you to use. Somebody came across them by accident, and now you guys have an entire website dedicated to game flaws which you call 'advanced techniques'.

And this post was NOT setup to warn others. Anybody who entered his server could read the rules for themselves, and take note that those 'techniques' are not allowed there.

Making a post to warn people was not needed. But this wasn't to warn others, now was it?

I think you were looking to drive people to further harass a guy who wants to run a fair server.

People like Pernicious proved it when he told people to get the owner to type in an 'allow cheat function' so he could screw with the server, and somebody requesting Blast to shut the guy's server down.

You're like internet bullies who refuse to obey by the rules. I bet you were the kids who got picked last for a team, and got your behinds kicked on a daily basis at school. You've probably also spent your fair share stuck in a locker throughout middle and high school.

Today, you're still a geek, but you enjoy harassing and toying with users over the internet, because you know you couldn't get away with it in real life.

I bet most of you are over 300 lbs, diabetic, and have hard time breathing if you try to stand up. So you sit online 24/7 playing video games and using game flaws which you refer to as 'advanced techniques'.

Anyhoo, I'm not going to bother wasting anymore time with you crybabies.

wtf are you talking about?

DEATH-ANGEL

2009-07-18 03:59:35

I love how something simple turns into insults. And how its assumed that everyone is fat and overweight and geeks over the net. Also, you've totally assumed and ignored that what has been labeled as advanced techniques is something bad... If valve felt it was bad, or felt it wasn't supposed to be part of the game they would have patched it. I mean come on, they had a 100,000 dollar tourney for this damn game and clarified everything during and before the fi0s tourney...

Get your facts straight.

I have no problem with the server or what they do, but please understand what your talking about and don't insult us.

Shoobie

2009-07-18 04:12:08

1v1?

the_big_cheese

2009-07-18 04:13:02

EagleMan65 wrote:It doesn't matter if it's "within the expectations of the game engine".

The point is, this guy has rules for his own server.

Is he not allowed to have rules against those flaw-techniques?

Is he supposed to allow you to break the rules of his server, just because you don't want to play the game any other way? And if he bans you after repeatably warning you about using those flaw-techniques, he is in the wrong?

Find another server to use that stuff on, if you don't like his rules.

That is my whole point of my response(s) here.

agreed 100%
Taking it a step further, he can ban whomever he wants for absolutely no reason.
There's a reason why casual gamers greatly outnumber the HL2DMU and the competitive community as a whole. You're just being ignorant if you assume that everybody will enjoy the game more by learning advanced skills.
Don't get what you want. Throw a fit. Send in cronies to grief the server and do exactly what you did. Maybe if you get lucky he'll shut the server down and move on to a different game. Would that make you happy Paradox?

To Eagleman65:
This is like trying to argue for slavery at a NAACP meeting. Just back away slowly.

Pernicious

2009-07-18 04:21:26

"They ARE flaws. Tricking the system into thinking you are part of an object, then climbing up a wall that clearly has no ladder, IS cheating. Using a combination of key strokes to trick the server's distance feature to jump from one side of the map to another in a single jump, IS cheating via a system flaw."

That is called an exploit, and is a result of the physics engine plus netcode, not cheating, and no one takes it seriously, generally u wont get anywhere with it.

"VALVE did NOT put these moves in the game for you to use. Somebody came across them by accident, and now you guys have an entire website dedicated to game flaws which you call 'advanced techniques'."

If your refering to bunnyhoping there u really are wrong, hl2engine very similar to quake engine, quake = bunnyhoping. Also the way u bunnyhop in hl2 singleplayer is very different to the way u do it in multiplayer, intent? The creator was well aware of how the engine worked and was most definitly a quake fan, i think i recall a statement of the sort but who cares.

"People like Pernicious proved it when he told people to get the owner to type in an 'allow cheat function' so he could screw with the server, and somebody requesting Blast to shut the guy's server down."

I was making a joke as to how silly the server owners must be, the things i could to to/on ur server are way more hilarious then malicious.

keefy

2009-07-18 05:29:50

You should stop this nonsense it really is childish, if the server owner wants to play like that let them, yes it is dumbing down the game but thats how most popular games are these days games like COD, Battlefield, CS, Americas Army so they assume all games are that easy to pickup and play, Americas Army doesnt even allow jumping at all its not coded into the game. The days of FPS like Half-life, HL2dm , Quake unreal are over they have long since stopped being popular due to players not wanting to learn anything to get good and they expect to "own" on a pub within 30 mins of playing.

Panic

2009-07-18 05:30:17

I'm pretty damn sure I got banned and didn't disconnect like that, but that is the shit I said.

Sacrifist

2009-07-18 05:57:55

EagleMan65 wrote:
Christian wrote:
EagleMan65 wrote:It DOES matter that it's within the expectations of the game engine, it's why they are NOT "flaw-techniques". In fact, if they were flaw-techniques, they wouldn't BE within the expectations of the game engine, indicating a flaw.
They ARE flaws. Tricking the system into thinking you are part of an object, then climbing up a wall that clearly has no ladder, IS cheating. Using a combination of key strokes to trick the server's distance feature to jump from one side of the map to another in a single jump, IS cheating via a system flaw.

VALVE did NOT put these moves in the game for you to use. Somebody came across them by accident, and now you guys have an entire website dedicated to game flaws which you call 'advanced techniques'.

And this post was NOT setup to warn others. Anybody who entered his server could read the rules for themselves, and take note that those 'techniques' are not allowed there.

Making a post to warn people was not needed. But this wasn't to warn others, now was it?

I think you were looking to drive people to further harass a guy who wants to run a fair server.

People like Pernicious proved it when he told people to get the owner to type in an 'allow cheat function' so he could screw with the server, and somebody requesting Blast to shut the guy's server down.

You're like internet bullies who refuse to obey by the rules. I bet you were the kids who got picked last for a team, and got your behinds kicked on a daily basis at school. You've probably also spent your fair share stuck in a locker throughout middle and high school.

Today, you're still a geek, but you enjoy harassing and toying with users over the internet, because you know you couldn't get away with it in real life.

I bet most of you are over 300 lbs, diabetic, and have hard time breathing if you try to stand up. So you sit online 24/7 playing video games and using game flaws which you refer to as 'advanced techniques'.

Anyhoo, I'm not going to bother wasting anymore time with you crybabies.

Then why are you in here arguing with us overweight geeky retards? Move along noobatron....BTW, in my senior yearbook, my picture happens to be next to the "most athletic in the class" award. Not that I give a crap or anything, but it kinda kills your opinion of everyone in this place.

thatguy

2009-07-18 06:13:44

lol i wanna know who the 300 lb, diabetic, and have hard time breathing if you try to stand up people are

Pernicious

2009-07-18 07:10:04

Fat guys dont play fast paced dm games, they play mmorpg's or slow fps games like css ^_^

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2009-07-18 07:23:10

It's like I said the server doesn't mean shit, not a damn thing so drop that "he's 100% correct".He doesn't own the server so his opinion of it is worthless, but the simple truth is they want to smash newbs all day and pretend their good doing it.

Bunnyhopping is not a flaw of the game, if it weren't meant to be implemented why did the programmer bring all velocities up to match up to, and create the source engines perfect strafe jump?

Why did they not code against it during the update that was exclusively for the FIOS grand tourney, and the number of updates before that one? It's obviously simple for them to do it look how fast they implemented anti bunnyhopping code to team fortress 2.

Bunnyhopping in deathmatch is the norm, it's mandatory and the server you play on is no where near the intended state of the game. As far as phys jumping goes I could care less if it's allowed or not because clearly it's not meant to be part of the game, but for you to sit here and try to tell me bunnyhopping in a deathmatch game is a glitch is fucking stupid.

But you already rage quti the forums apparently judging by your shitty flaming at the end of your post so scram.

Ko-Tao

2009-07-18 10:13:07

EagleMan65 wrote:You're like internet bullies who refuse to obey by the rules. I bet you were the kids who got picked last for a team, and got your behinds kicked on a daily basis at school. You've probably also spent your fair share stuck in a locker throughout middle and high school.

Today, you're still a geek, but you enjoy harassing and toying with users over the internet, because you know you couldn't get away with it in real life.

I bet most of you are over 300 lbs, diabetic, and have hard time breathing if you try to stand up. So you sit online 24/7 playing video games and using game flaws which you refer to as 'advanced techniques'.

Anyhoo, I'm not going to bother wasting anymore time with you crybabies.

...dont forget to wipe.

Walking Target

2009-07-18 10:54:47

It's me. I am over 300 lbs and a diabetic. Okay so that's a lie, but nobody is perfect, right?

Blasphemy

2009-07-18 12:20:49

EagleMan65 is the greatest troll ever.

well done good sir.

Paradox

2009-07-18 19:37:41

Big_Cheese, did you read the thread? You werent even there so dont even pretend to know what happened. As I have already said, if he would have just stated that they dont want bunny hop, etc there instead of calling me a cheater and a scripter, I would have left and it would have been no problem. I have been told this on other servers and I have left with no issues. Its this guy's attitude that irritated me. He didnt behave like the "reasonable guy" his friend claims him to be. In fact he was rather rude about it. And yea I wanted to warn people here that this is a server that they are not welcome on. He runs maps that some people here like so they could, like I did, go into the server.

Yea I didnt read the MOTD. Does everyone here read the MOTD of EVERY server they enter? I try to but sometimes I just want to play and I forget, especially if the server doesnt have spawn protection.

I have run many pubs and I do realize that people dont play video games to read. When someone was doing something we didnt like, we would just tell them.

Pernicious

2009-07-19 04:42:18

Fucked if ive ever read one.

Walking Target

2009-07-19 05:55:42

Me either, or at least not on the first run. If I have played there a while I might check it.

DEATH-ANGEL

2009-07-19 06:44:42

I played there for one map and I didn't have any issues with the players or the guy Sub. He actually welcomed me back to play again. The added irony was that they couldn't kill me, they even came to try and kill me by grouping up on me instead of each other. I was like 37-3 and the three kills were afk kills and another one was some random rpg kill. So I don't have any issues thus far with them and offered to come back and teach them (aside from dubiously dubbed "advanced skills) how to better use the map their playing on, use shield and health and retreating to such items, better weapons, etc. to their advantage.

badinfluence

2009-07-19 09:42:34

Who cares. Move on.

Va|iums

2009-07-19 11:11:45

keefy wrote:You should stop this nonsense it really is childish, if the server owner wants to play like that let them, yes it is dumbing down the game but thats how most popular games are these days games like COD, Battlefield, CS, Americas Army so they assume all games are that easy to pickup and play, Americas Army doesnt even allow jumping at all its not coded into the game. The days of FPS like Half-life, HL2dm , Quake unreal are over they have long since stopped being popular due to players not wanting to learn anything to get good and they expect to "own" on a pub within 30 mins of playing.

no. thats how societies get dumbed down and slow progress as a whole in the first place is allowing people to live in their mediocre, stupid, blissfully ignorant worlds. Challenge people, ask them to step it up, get raped and like it, one day the rapist will become the raped. after awhile the rapist who got raped will join a league of fellow superior rapists to gang up on the new rapist until the old rapist has a new power, which is to say the new old rapist will make a condition that the new rapist will use K-Y jelly instead of regular vasoline when he gets raped from now on. Get the picture?

GatesMcTaste

2009-07-19 13:35:32

Va|iums wrote: no. thats how societies get dumbed down and slow progress as a whole in the first place is allowing people to live in their mediocre, stupid, blissfully ignorant worlds. Challenge people, ask them to step it up, get raped and like it, one day the rapist will become the raped. after awhile the rapist who got raped will join a league of fellow superior rapists to gang up on the new rapist until the old rapist has a new power, which is to say the new old rapist will make a condition that the new rapist will use K-Y jelly instead of regular vasoline when he gets raped from now on. Get the picture?

ok now this i totally disagree with, this is like going to the aborigines, taking all of thier knowledge, tools, way of life and replacing it with our own just because we percieve it to be "inferior". No if they want to play the game how they want who are you to stop them? Hows about you go into all the puzzle and rp servers and take out all their maps and replace them too... build servers? Now they are aware of advance techniques they may come for assistance but otherwise leave them alone, it's his server and Valves game yes they wanted bhopping but not everyone has to do it.

Walking Target

2009-07-19 20:54:05

badinfluence wrote:Who cares. Move on.

By now I tend to agree.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-07-19 21:29:17

the "flaws" you talk about, maybe they are and maybe they aren't. possibly the dev's didnt forsee ppl being able to bhop, or nade catch, or yo yo, etc. whether or not you think they are flaws they all take time and patience to learn and master. they are all available to anybody who wants to take the time to learn them. they do require that you can complete a set of key strokes quickly, thats why it takes time to learn. i actually agree with you that somebody stumbled upon some of these at some point, so what? velcrow was invented by accident, so was WD40. now we can live without them. these "flaws" are things with use and do without even thinking about it, they are second nature now. like most of us, i move by bhopping just on instinct, its embedded into my brain. when we come into your server a lot of us arent bhopping to piss you off, well most of us, its just how we move.

anyway, if you dont like their server setting dont fucking play there. jesus, sounds simple to me. they are entitled to play the way they want without being harrassed.

Paradox

2009-07-19 23:55:32

Does anyone have a written statement somewhere where Valve said all of these things we call "advanced techniques" are within the perameters of the game engine?

If someone has a link for that Id like to see it thanks.

Ko-Tao

2009-07-20 01:42:22

It was a statement valve made just prior to FIOS, as there was a great deal of whining about advanced techniques from the pubber/random/casual crowd. The end result was that autoshotgun and ggun scrolling got nixed (mainly because the competitive community at the time was also partially against them), and fastballing, gravnading and bhopping were deemed to be "within the expectations of the engine" and left untouched.

Pretty unlikely anyones got a screenshot of it; if they did, i get the feeling it would have cropped up in one of the many threads similar to this one that the game has seen over the years.

Walking Target

2009-07-20 02:03:20

That statement disappeared with the FIOS section of the CAL forums. I can confirm it, since I recall reading that specific post, but I would be surprised if anyone actually took screenshots of the FIOS forums. The statement about being within the expectations of the engine referred to bunnyhopping specifically. Valve confirmed fast orbs and grav nading were legitimate techniques in other threads I believe, but I don't specifically recall those posts.

Paradox

2009-07-20 02:36:22

Well thanks WT. If would just be nice to have if someone did have it. Oh well.

Pernicious

2009-07-20 05:51:07

Grav nading, fast balling, and those things are just a result of being able to interact with the physics, wouldnt even call those advanced techneques frankly

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-07-20 06:32:26

Pernicious wrote:Grav nading, fast balling, and those things are just a result of being able to interact with the physics, wouldnt even call those advanced techneques frankly

when you fast ball does the ball spin the opposite way?? ya, know, cause like, you're in Aus....nvm

Pernicious

2009-07-20 08:10:12

*squints*

Not sure if ur actually saying anything there or an attempted joke failed XD
But pressing the grav button +attack/+attack2 = simple. And my point was, in case i was being unclear, that the grav gun introduced the ability to interact with the physics engine, the nade itself is physics....again if it wasnt intended to be interacted with then it would not have been made to be, etc..

Intent, simply by observing how things work in a game u can see wat is and wat isnt suposed to be.

Hell, i think ive said this b4, but considering the fact that 1 guy, mainly, was responsible for hl2dm in the first place, i doubt many/any others at valve know wat was intended....they werent involved, and dont care obviously.

Sacrifist

2009-07-20 10:30:00

I think he was referring to the fact that you Australians have toilet water running the opposite way then us Americans.

badinfluence

2009-07-20 10:32:08

Sacrifist wrote:I think he was referring to the fact that you Australians have toilet water running the opposite way then us Americans.

Americunts.*

Pernicious

2009-07-20 10:52:37

I get that, even though its not true, it was out of the blue, true blue.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-07-20 18:00:56

it was a fucking joke.....because yes the toilet water. and yes i know that's not true either, well it is, but a toilet's not a big enough device to produce the effect. i even went as far as to explain the joke in case ppl didnt get it, and i also semi pointed out that it was a bad joke in the way i said it. WOW, get a sense of fucking humor

Sacrifist

2009-07-20 20:21:29

badinfluence wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:I think he was referring to the fact that you Australians have toilet water running the opposite way then us Americans.
Americunts.*

my bad....

dbanimal

2009-07-20 21:15:42

*yawn*...time to get my 300lb ass out of bed and play some DM. Now where's my fork lift, I can't get out of bed without it...HELGA!! Where'd ya put that damn fork lift!!!

Paradox

2009-07-20 21:18:17

Pernicious

2009-07-21 07:45:34

"I get that, even though its not true, it was out of the blue, true blue."

That was a lame aussie joke also

provost

2009-07-21 22:37:09

dbanimal wrote:Where'd ya put that damn fork lift!!!

To find the forklift, you must think like a forklift.

Paradox

2009-07-21 22:41:33

One must first determine how a forklift thinks.

CellarDweller

2009-07-21 22:55:17

not all forklifts are of like minds.

provost

2009-07-21 23:08:46

Great display of skill at the forklift Olympics

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2009-07-22 00:58:49

Every time I'm looking at this thread "users browsing this forum me + guest"

I wonder who that could be.

provost

2009-07-22 04:29:59

Ghost Dog_TSGK wrote:Every time I'm looking at this thread "users browsing this forum me + guest"

I wonder who that could be.

The lift driver.

Paradox

2009-07-22 05:34:01

He is lookin for the forklift

Sacrifist

2009-07-22 05:57:12

In order to find the forklift you must search the chemtrails

dbanimal

2009-07-23 07:21:01

LMFAO!!!!!

Paradox

2009-07-23 07:22:33

Sacrifist wrote:In order to find the forklift you must search the chemtrails

Needs a forklift sniffing dog.

badinfluence

2009-07-23 08:44:51

We need a special place to archive threads.

dbanimal

2009-07-23 18:57:37

badinfluence wrote:We need a special place to archive threads.

Hmmm...may need a forklift for that.

provost

2009-07-24 00:20:43

dbanimal wrote:
badinfluence wrote:We need a special place to archive threads.
Hmmm...may need a forklift for that.

o-dog

2009-07-24 09:28:19

LOL. I played on that server once and was told "if you want to jump like a bean, jump to another server."

screenshot of this lolerific event coming when I get it off my old PC.

Sacrifist

2009-07-24 09:39:46

o-dog wrote:LOL. I played on that server once and was told "if you want to jump like a bean, jump to another server."

screenshot of this lolerific event coming when I get it off my old PC.

where the hell have you been?

provost

2009-07-24 16:36:15

ninojman

2009-07-29 01:03:41

Walking Target wrote:That statement disappeared with the FIOS section of the CAL forums. I can confirm it, since I recall reading that specific post, but I would be surprised if anyone actually took screenshots of the FIOS forums. The statement about being within the expectations of the engine referred to bunnyhopping specifically. Valve confirmed fast orbs and grav nading were legitimate techniques in other threads I believe, but I don't specifically recall those posts.

I still have the demo of Dirk, modal and I play testing the beta before the update With CPL|Chris, he was talking with me in irc a bunch asking questions about that valve had asked him. Valve told him to have the community send a bunch of demo's of the various techniques.

Fast weapon switch, fast shotgun, b-hopping, grav-jumping, fast-orbing, slamming under items, Ggun scrolling , holding an item behind a wall, g-nading. While STa had it's own rules against some of these things valve decided what to keep and take out.

Funny thing was, the update completely screwed hit reg for a good month or so once it came out with stv and match system.

Might have some e-mails

Ko-Tao

2009-07-29 01:10:14

That update broke the lag compensation, not the actual hitreg. Playing with lag comp disabled made reg even better than it was originally (and still does, provided the player knows how and when to lead their shots).

Could take or leave fast shotgun, but damn do i miss ggun scrolling.

Blasphemy

2009-07-29 14:18:07

Ko-Tao wrote:i miss ggun scrolling.

ninojman

2009-07-29 17:47:53

Ko-Tao wrote:That update broke the lag compensation, not the actual hitreg. Playing with lag comp disabled made reg even better than it was originally (and still does, provided the player knows how and when to lead their shots).

Could take or leave fast shotgun, but damn do i miss ggun scrolling.

wtf you can't lead that far, even if you were just walking you could change directions and the model/avatar wouldn't do the change until a full second later.

Hit scan was completely useless

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-07-29 18:59:39

holy shit......Odog lives!!!

Ko-Tao

2009-07-29 23:54:13

With 5 ping, the enemy model would be 10ms behind its hitboxes. Thats not even enough to require leading. With 50 ping, what you were seeing would be 100ms behind the server, so youd have to lead maybe 1/2 of an inch? Nowhere near a full second delay during regular play- youd need to be pinging 500ms for that, at which point the reg and play is such a mess that lag compensation is almost a non issue whether its "working" or not.

ninojman

2009-07-30 18:13:44

Ko-Tao wrote:With 5 ping, the enemy model would be 10ms behind its hitboxes. Thats not even enough to require leading. With 50 ping, what you were seeing would be 100ms behind the server, so youd have to lead maybe 1/2 of an inch? Nowhere near a full second delay during regular play- youd need to be pinging 500ms for that, at which point the reg and play is such a mess that lag compensation is almost a non issue whether its "working" or not.

We can't be talking about the same thing. The update right after they released beta was bad. PiC made a video (doubt it is still up) showing the hitboxes. When the hitboxes went to do a jump they would land before the model would even start the jump.