nvidea drivers

anybody install the new 190.38 drivers yet? i had a lot of issues with the drivers after the 182.50. was wondering how this new one was.

yeah im using 190.38 and havent had any problems with it yet.

I can't boot with them installed.

Thank god for safemode.

Indeed, wat the hell is with that shit.

get ATI

Deathwish wrote:get ATI

get wallet raped.

.conflict wrote:

Deathwish wrote:get ATI

get wallet raped.

with nividia yeah, not with ATI

ATI develops great hardware, but their drivers stink. Their drivers don't have a chance against Nvidia's, their official drivers have better perfomance, more user friendly, and a holy compatibility even with Linux.

I rolled back. New drivers gave me issues in L4D.

yeah i've been lagging and hanging a little on round start in versus mode, other than that not really noticed any real difference with the new drivers

Merlyn wrote:I rolled back. New drivers gave me issues in L4D.

me too!!! plus when i play crysis i keep getting a millisecond delay every minute or so. i just pause for no reason. fuck. i went back to the 182.50. this is the 5th driver after the 182.50 that i have installed and then had to rollback.

I'm using 190.56 beta, seems to work fine for me. Only reason I switched was to get the most out of the new batman demo, speaking of which the graphics are the most insane I've ever seen on a unreal engine game. Worth a look just to see it, if your machine can handle it run the highest res and 4x - 8x AA and AF you will need to force it in the nvidia control panel.

drivers here http://developer.nvidia.com/object/opengl_3_driver.html

batman demo here http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_batma ... loads.html

L2k wrote:batman demo here http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_batma ... loads.html

oh sweet, i wanted to give this a try and didnt really bothered checking for a demo, thx for the info

.conflict wrote:

L2k wrote:batman demo here http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_batma ... loads.html

oh sweet, i wanted to give this a try and didnt really bothered checking for a demo, thx for the info

double post, the game is surpisingly good (as far as demo goes)

s0iz wrote:ATI develops great hardware, but their drivers stink. Their drivers don't have a chance against Nvidia's, their official drivers have better perfomance, more user friendly, and a holy compatibility even with Linux.

I think you have that backwards. ATI's drivers are much much better then Nvidia's dogshit they call drivers. Im basing my comparisons when it comes to anything Vista or above. I never had an ATI card when I used XP so I cant compare. Vista and win7 drivers are night and day though. ATI is better. Nvidia has stronger performing cards though, but I dont think either will break your wallet unless you are going after Nvidia's top end card.

Sacrifist wrote:

s0iz wrote:ATI develops great hardware, but their drivers stink. Their drivers don't have a chance against Nvidia's, their official drivers have better perfomance, more user friendly, and a holy compatibility even with Linux.

I think you have that backwards. ATI's drivers are much much better then Nvidia's dogshit they call drivers. Im basing my comparisons when it comes to anything Vista or above. I never had an ATI card when I used XP so I cant compare. Vista and win7 drivers are night and day though. ATI is better. Nvidia has stronger performing cards though, but I dont think either will break your wallet unless you are going after Nvidia's top end card.

You have got to be kidding.

I have in my household two machines running nvidia and two running ATI, not only do the nvidia machines out perform the ati machines but seriously look how often nvidia releases new drivers continually trying to improve on the good performance they already have as well as including updated profiles for new games and demo's ect, you don't get that with ati.

I'll take nvidia over ati anyday.

well said L2K.

190.38 are working awesome for me!!!

Like most of you I had issues with 182 and up, although 186.18 seemed ok. Although if I alt + tab from Left 4 Dead more than once it would crash the display driver with a new 280 card I picked up. No issues with 190.38!!!!!!!

I did however find that their new system tools package for overclocking/monitoring has been updated to 6.05 and will now control my video card fan, plus it added more support for mobos and some other crap. I never understood why their newest overclocking panel wouldn't up my fan speeds on the cards...yet it would do all the crap for the mobo/cpu and show all the correct info. Now it does. go figure.

So, goodbye windows xp Nvidia ntune and hello Nvidia System Tools....using an xp tool package on vista...wtf!!! All good now.

Anyone try out that 3d stereoscopic sound? I noticed they took hl2dm out of their games area...for setting custom video settings and wut not.

I dunno, I have a 1 gig ATI 4870 HD card, in my desktop and it even made Lockdown look good...lol. Nvidia seems to have alot of issues with their drivers and yes alot of updates. I have had no trouble whatsoever with my ATI card or the drivers and I run games like Crysis on high settings with no problem. Never had an issue with it in L4D either. I have an nvidia card (512mb) in my laptop and it seems to run fine. For Laptops, Nvidia definatly seems like it is the better choice. As for desktops, Im not entirely happy that AMD now owns ATI now but I have had good luck with them so I stick to them. I think its just a matter of personal preference. One works as well as the other. I really dont see much difference between them.

Paradox wrote:I dunno, I have a 1 gig ATI 4870 HD card, in my desktop and it even made Lockdown look good...lol. Nvidia seems to have alot of issues with their drivers and yes alot of updates. I have had no trouble whatsoever with my ATI card or the drivers and I run games like Crysis on high settings with no problem. Never had an issue with it in L4D either. I have an nvidia card (512mb) in my laptop and it seems to run fine. For Laptops, Nvidia definatly seems like it is the better choice. As for desktops, Im not entirely happy that AMD now owns ATI now but I have had good luck with them so I stick to them. I think its just a matter of personal preference. One works as well as the other. I really dont see much difference between them.

While it is true that you get a good picture with ati, the same goes for nvidia and I cant really see the difference in picture quality between the two I have. The difference I do see is in FPS and thats comparing even models that were released at near the same time, of course there are other factors involved and no the two machines I have are not exactly identical, but close enough. The thing that gets at me about ATI is the span between driver releases, each time a new game comes out tweaks to the profile are needed to get optimum performance out of that game. Now Nvidia does release so often most (but not all) profiles are updated in the new drivers for most new games. Considering ATI does not do that it leads me to believe (and feel) that they are not a true gamers card. Bottom line is ATI performs well and there is nothing wrong with those cards per se, but ATI just does not give as good support.
In regards to nvidias drivers having issues, well I have never had a problem with any of them and I even run betas quite often. I think alot of that comes down to cleaning out your old drivers properly, defragging and optimizing your registry as part of the installation of the new driver something I do every time without fail.

s0iz wrote:ATI develops great hardware, but their drivers stink. Their drivers don't have a chance against Nvidia's, their official drivers have better perfomance, more user friendly, and a holy compatibility even with Linux.

Obviously they dont suck compared to nvidia's drivers if you read everyones posts here, I have never had a problem like these or a performance problem, or a problem when upgrading drivers with ATI's drivers, take back what you said

Nvidia states to make sure everything is up to date before driver installation, my black screen problem was caused by my outdated BIOS, with the latest BIOS update, I can boot/play w/e...

It's a unusual thing to update but alot of people (like me) has good GPU, CPU but not necesssarly a leet motherboard, and often you must update your BIOS , especially since they added the PHYSX engine to the drivers, that is all.

If i had done what the driver release note told me to do before installing (update my bios) i wouldnt have suffered from this issue. latest release works wonderfully.


PS; I was an ATI fanboy, i had a 1900 XT for the longest time, ATI was on the top of their game 2-3 years ago, now the ball is in nvidia's camp.

well, the driver borked everything for me. everytime i tried to open the application, i'd get a series of errors and shutdowns.

system restore ftw.

.conflict wrote:Nvidia states to make sure everything is up to date before driver installation, my black screen problem was caused by my outdated BIOS, with the latest BIOS update, I can boot/play w/e...

It's a unusual thing to update but alot of people (like me) has good GPU, CPU but not necesssarly a leet motherboard, and often you must update your BIOS , especially since they added the PHYSX engine to the drivers, that is all.

If i had done what the driver release note told me to do before installing (update my bios) i wouldnt have suffered from this issue. latest release works wonderfully.


PS; I was an ATI fanboy, i had a 1900 XT for the longest time, ATI was on the top of their game 2-3 years ago, now the ball is in nvidia's camp.

4870x2 that is all.

Deathwish wrote:

.conflict wrote:Nvidia states to make sure everything is up to date before driver installation, my black screen problem was caused by my outdated BIOS, with the latest BIOS update, I can boot/play w/e...

It's a unusual thing to update but alot of people (like me) has good GPU, CPU but not necesssarly a leet motherboard, and often you must update your BIOS , especially since they added the PHYSX engine to the drivers, that is all.

If i had done what the driver release note told me to do before installing (update my bios) i wouldnt have suffered from this issue. latest release works wonderfully.


PS; I was an ATI fanboy, i had a 1900 XT for the longest time, ATI was on the top of their game 2-3 years ago, now the ball is in nvidia's camp.

4870x2 that is all.

Whilst i agree that is a stunning card and as far as i'm aware it destroys the 295 in the £/$ per fps stake, i do so desperately want 2 295's in quad sli, but i have 2 260's in SLI and i get over 200 fps in TF2 and in l4d it rarely drops below 70-150 with a horde (all at 1920x1200 resolution and every setting maxed out) so i think what's the point? Both companies have produced amazing cards but sadly with the gaming market right now they're not going be properly tested.

there's no way i'd spend 500$ for a 4870x2 ... 500$ to play GAMES?


bwahahhaa what the fuck.

L2k wrote:

Sacrifist wrote:

s0iz wrote:ATI develops great hardware, but their drivers stink. Their drivers don't have a chance against Nvidia's, their official drivers have better perfomance, more user friendly, and a holy compatibility even with Linux.

I think you have that backwards. ATI's drivers are much much better then Nvidia's dogshit they call drivers. Im basing my comparisons when it comes to anything Vista or above. I never had an ATI card when I used XP so I cant compare. Vista and win7 drivers are night and day though. ATI is better. Nvidia has stronger performing cards though, but I dont think either will break your wallet unless you are going after Nvidia's top end card.

You have got to be kidding.

I have in my household two machines running nvidia and two running ATI, not only do the nvidia machines out perform the ati machines but seriously look how often nvidia releases new drivers continually trying to improve on the good performance they already have as well as including updated profiles for new games and demo's ect, you don't get that with ati.

I'll take nvidia over ati anyday.

Im not talking on a game to game basis. Im referring to total application. Nvidia's drivers cause more crashes then ATI drivers. In fact, Ive never had a crash do to an ATI driver. nv4_dsp error anyone? I rest my case.

Sacrifist wrote:Im not talking on a game to game basis. Im referring to total application. Nvidia's drivers cause more crashes then ATI drivers. In fact, Ive never had a crash do to an ATI driver. nv4_dsp error anyone? I rest my case.

Well I have never personally had a crash due to a nvidia driver, but I know some people do and again its usually caused by their particular set up, hardware or installation. Over the years with ATI I have experienced some errors here and there and I can't say for sure if it was the driver or the possibility of one of the things I mentioned above, however I have seen things such as ati2dvag.dll error and crashes to desktop with a dialog box reporting the ATI driver is stuck in a endless loop or not responding so it's not as if ATI never has errors or causes crashes.

I don't really think the issue here is who's driver can cause more crashes and if it is it shouldn't be because there are to many variables that can affect that, I personally think it should be more about performance and support.

I base my opinion solely on my personal experiences and that of respected people in the industry. If you are really interested on seeing some of the things reviewers, testers and builders have to say about the current situation at ATI you can look here:

http://forums.techgage.com/showthread.php?t=4500

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphi ... 285-1gb/17

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3501&p=10

Lastly from someone I have put a lot of faith into over the years for being completely unbiased and providing true valuable information into PC hardware, tweaking and set up here are Koroush Ghazi's words (from tweakguides.com) on his decision to go with Nvidia over ATI in his own personal recent build :

For those wondering why I didn't choose an ATI card, well although the 4870 was cheaper, it was also a fair bit slower in the major gaming engines, and thus failed the longevity test. But that's not the main reason I didn't go ATI. I'll be blunt: I won't consider an ATI card right now quite simply because I have no faith at all in the ATI driver team. It has nothing to do with fanboyism, I honestly don't care if my graphics card has an ATI or Nvidia logo on it. The simple fact is that it appears that ATI is struggling right now because their parent company AMD has had poor fortunes against the dominant Intel CPU maker for over two years. First with Core 2, and now with Core i7, Intel has outpaced AMD completely, and greatly affected AMD's profitability. AMD's decline in turn appears to have affected their ongoing investment in ATI, which has historically had a much lower market share than Nvidia anyway. Looking at the latest Steam Hardware Survey for example, we can see that this is still the case, with Nvidia cards at roughly 64.5% of the market, while ATI has only 27.1%. This market power has given Nvidia the dollars and the clout to ensure that many games are developed specifically with Nvidia cards in mind, reducing the number of glitches Nvidia users experience out of the box, and also potentially increasing performance on Nvidia cards. Importantly, it also allows Nvidia to plow more money into driver development, resulting in more frequent, more functional, and less problematic drivers. This is particularly important for those running multi-GPU setups, because for optimal performance these configurations require proper driver support; without it they effectively perform similar to a single GPU setup at best, or experience slowdowns, stuttering and other issues at worst.

Now I know that this is a point of contention, because people will claim that Nvidia has its fair share of driver problems. This is absolutely true, there are driver problems for some Nvidia users. However based on plenty of research and experience, I'm familiar with how to determine whether a problem is user-based, driver-based or game-based. I definitely see a larger proportion of genuine problems with ATI drivers compared with Nvidia, especially for users of their flagship card the HD4870 X2. You don't need to take my word for it though, as professional reviewers have also noted the same thing.

And with that I rest my case

out of curiosity, L2k. When you install new drivers, what exactly are the steps you take, mainly - what do you use to clean your registry?

I use the programs/features to uninstall nvidia drivers- I check uninstall display driver only.

I reboot into safe mode. I then manually delete the cabs folder, which houses the directories for nvidia drivers, which contains previous versions as well if I don't manually delete them, even after an uninstall of the driver. I also delete all the ageia phsyx folders as well.

I boot into normal mode, run CCleaner, but it never finds any left over nvidia crap besides some back control panel stuff.

I dont have issues with drivers, not like some seem to. Mainly just curious on how you work your magic.

I pretty much do exactly that with the addition of using one more program besides cc. I also run ERUNT ntregopt (Free, google if you want it) which basically removes any entries from any uninstalled programs / drivers, then reboot, then install new driver, reboot, defrag, reboot and game

5 % reduction - I was hoping for more.

Least I know Im sorta on top of the registry! Thanks.