Suspending League Play, Brah

I no longer have the time to be an admin, brah. I stepped up taking 12 credits to 16, and started working 10 hours a week to about 20. Furthermore there are several devastating exploits crippling the competitive play that NEED to be addressed before we start league again.

1. DDOS attacks, they've been targeting two to three specific players, scrims are unplayable with them atm. Solutions are there and will be provided to our new admins.

2. Spectate Glitch, an old source hack/exploit that FINALLY trickled down to hl2dm, it was widely used in CSS until all leagues mandated zblock which correctly authenticates correct steamID's. Zblock will block any efforts to use this exploit that manipulates steamID's by hiding them from a server registering the steamID's.

3. Without going into alot of detail there has arisen a new exploit that allows objects to pass through a body, including orbs.

I will be suspending league play from American CU altogether and stepping down to make way for a person who CONVENIANTLY thank god the same time I PM'ed people about stepping down is seeking to create a centralized website/forum for both league and forums. More detail to come if this person is willing to divulge it. He may post here and feel free to share this info if he wants. This means CU as it stands is no longer our league.

Parting words as admin; thank you for season 1 everyone, I had blast (not just saying that because we went undefeated in 3v3 , though it did help). The most important parting words are that any competitive league servers implement zblock immediately, it will be able to effectively block the spectate bug, and enforce rates in a manner that blocks this new object glitch.

So CU is back to european only forever or just temporary?
This was kind of expected considering the number of teams also,
it would be hard to continue a league with little teams and still get
fun out of it.

Doesn't zblock fuck with movement?

not unless you want it to.

Yeah it was a bit expected tbh. Season 1 was probably the peak of play in a very long time, in div1 at least, we all felt pretty worn out after that season. There wouldve been enough teams as I had 2 more comittals in 3v3, and 4 more in 2v2. This was more or less about me no longer having the time, plus as it turns out someone is creating a centralized place for us, so it just sweetened the deal for me not to find a replacement CU admin and rather just prepare for a move elsewhere.

About Zblock, it does limit bhop on CSS, but it can be tailored to allow bhop in HL2DM. Er, blas already on it :S

So Vals is this temporary or what? You talk about somebody creating a place for us for CU; is that person going to replace your or do you have a replacement lined up?

So Vals is this temporary or what? You talk about somebody creating a place for us for CU; is that person going to replace your or do you have a replacement lined up?

I'm gonna step down completely. I've asked the person to replace me and he accepted, though not sure why he hasnt already posted here, maybe still needs privacy yet. It's just not a good time to start anyway, the two new huge exploits need to be addressed and league servers need to load Zblock, 100% no compromise. That's how bad the new exploits are

So who's this mysterious person?


me? you?fellow post readers, Tarkan?

Only the future will tell.

So what does the spectate glitch do ? I've never hear of that and what other exploit I just see you mentioning one with things that go through people but everyone always says it's just the normal bugs in hl2dm. The ddos attacks are gettin annoying too but if you talk to ownage you can get a anti lag plugin to prevent them.

Can the GSP do soemthing about DDOS? I know its not possible to tracert on some servers but is on others.

I googled the CS:S spec glitch and if its the same thing I cannot see how it affects HL2DM anyway because once you die you respawn unlike CS.

3rd one I would like to know more. I guess its something to do with bots because its pretty much impossible to kill bots with physics and balls.

Is CU planning on using Zblock?

So what does the spectate glitch do ? I've never hear of that and what other exploit I just see you mentioning one with things that go through people but everyone always says it's just the normal bugs in hl2dm. The ddos attacks are gettin annoying too but if you talk to ownage you can get a anti lag plugin to prevent them.

I've never heard of the spec exploit either until recently. I really don't want to get into specifics so this isnt found out/manipulated by current players or European players who may not use Zblock in CU. The second exploit isnt just a "normal" exploit, this involves having say, 3 orbs directly shot at you and they will just pass through the body.

@keefy I dont know whether CU will use zblock, its up to them and doesnt seem to be the biggest of priorities since I dont believe any European players have found out these two exploits yet.

I am starting the new league. We are building a website from scratch, and will be releasing the name and address of the site when its ready. It should be ready within a few weeks. We are currently working on a plugin combination that blocks all known exploits. Rates will be required to be within acceptable ranges. Servers on which matches are played will be required to have this plugin combination running.

We're very excited about where this game is heading. As new players step in to fill older shoes, this game will continue to be played for some time.

Keefy: I sent you a message. Let's talk about plugins.

So, just to clarify, this new site is going to be for the American CU League, right? We will upload our matches to that site when we do them and not the current CU website? We will schedule matches and do all that BS there, right? If not, wtf is this website for, then?

So what does the spectate glitch do ? I've never hear of that and what other exploit I just see you mentioning one with things that go through people but everyone always says it's just the normal bugs in hl2dm. The ddos attacks are gettin annoying too but if you talk to ownage you can get a anti lag plugin to prevent them.

whenever the cu config runs some people cant see any people, weapons, props, items, and some places in the map are see through..

So, just to clarify, this new site is going to be for the American CU League, right? We will upload our matches to that site when we do them and not the current CU website? We will schedule matches and do all that BS there, right? If not, wtf is this website for, then?

I got like 5 things to respond to/correct. First is that there will be a new comprehensive website that is league and forums, which is the point of the website so we will no longer use CU. Holy will be coordinating with a number of people on it.

@creature, I have no idea what you're talking about? The CU config was modified for Americans to be the exact standards $W, emO and synergy use as their standard competitive server settings in the first place, I have no idea what you're talking about and never received complaints like that ever. Unless you just failed to mention to me that happened to you while you played.

The thing to correct is I got it wrong on this exploit, it doesnt allow orbs to pass through the body, it allows you to shoot orbs and make them uncatchable, as in you can have someone 5 ft away, shoot an orb with your GGun primed and no matter what you do you cant catch an orb/object. It's an exploit combined with a minor hack. Either way it can be denied through Zblock. There should be absolutely no question Zblock needs to be implemented because of this along with the new spec exploit.

So in CU there is US and Euro but the US has different rules?

So in CU there is US and Euro but the US has different rules?

Late to the party brah.

Damnit Constipator, why did you have to say that in matches and make it become catchy? Now the new exploits are gonna have people saying in games, dont orb hack me brah. But yeah I was given pretty liberal range by Koncentrate to do as we wanted, afterall, imagine if the US still had a league, Europeans asked to join and then forced them to play with FF off

So in CU there is US and Euro but the US has different rules?

Late to the party brah.

Damnit Constipator, why did you have to say that in matches and make it become catchy? Now the new exploits are gonna have people saying in games, dont orb hack me brah. But yeah I was given pretty liberal range by Koncentrate to do as we wanted, afterall, imagine if the US still had a league, Europeans asked to join and then forced them to play with FF off

I find it odd thats all, it make sit harder to manage having different sets of rules for different continents. I used to liek playign FF on but now prefer to F OFF

I found myself 2 new exploits, and trust me, they are really hardcore, ill ttyl vals.

We know you did, and you're already prebanned from any future leagues, any and all. Also no one wants to play with you in scrims, bad without exploits, almost just as bad with them. Sadly on top of it no one really liked you in general, just gtfo. Furthermore Zblock will block these exploits, you're gonna have to try even harder to develop new hacks/exploits for a dead game

harsh, broseph.

We are building a website from scratch, and will be releasing the name and address of the site when its ready. It should be ready within a few weeks.

IS IT READY YET?!?!

We are building a website from scratch, and will be releasing the name and address of the site when its ready. It should be ready within a few weeks.

IS IT READY YET?!?!

OMG!!

I found myself 2 new exploits, and trust me, they are really hardcore, ill ttyl vals.

We know you did, and you're already prebanned from any future leagues, any and all. Also no one wants to play with you in scrims, bad without exploits, almost just as bad with them. Sadly on top of it no one really liked you in general, just gtfo. Furthermore Zblock will block these exploits, you're gonna have to try even harder to develop new hacks/exploits for a dead game

Im prebanned for discovering exploits? Who said i used it in scrims? Prove it then.

Oh and holy messaged me this.
''
holymoly: you will not be allowed to compete in the new league i'm making
holymoly: i'm sorry, but i have server logs detailing your LUA and rate cycling''

1.I NEVER used LUA in scrims, if so, prove it.
2.I tried the rate cycling in a few scrims.
3.Why blas and bhalk are not prebanned too? They are rate cycling. Proof?

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... 67&start=0

There ya go. Your bad vals for protecting your team8s. hahahahhahaahhaha i cant believe im getting banned, o gosh....

You're the idiot that admitted to about 15 different people, and rate cycling is not specifically prohibited by CU nor CAL when it did run. We already have proof of what you did, and you admitting you use a mani hack. You forced us to run around making sure Zblock plus another few programs are installed in matchplay servers from now, alot of effort for one sad wannabe hacker. Deal with it, just leave the community.

3.Why blas and bhalk are not prebanned too? They are rate cycling. Proof?

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... 67&start=0

There ya go. Your bad vals for protecting your team8s. hahahahhahaahhaha i cant believe im getting banned, o gosh....

I thought it was proven that since they had cl_interp set to something else it spammed cl_cmdrate 100. And you just admitted to actually cycling rates (as does Shuz/Shonty/Seanigle etc, but that's a different thing altogether).

We know you did, and you're already prebanned from any future leagues, any and all. Also no one wants to play with you in scrims, bad without exploits, almost just as bad with them. Sadly on top of it no one really liked you in general, just gtfo. Furthermore Zblock will block these exploits, you're gonna have to try even harder to develop new hacks/exploits for a dead game

You forgot to work brah in there, brah.

Brah is so annoying. If you are Hawaiian or something...

Rate Cycling!?!?

Try AIMING.

Sometimes, when I read threads like this, I hear this song in my head:

Link

I wonder wen they are going to get some sense and make LUA vac detectable/banable.

brb cycling rates brosefus

wtf is lua???

wtf is lua???

I believe its a programming language used to create scripts. Some anti cheat plugins wont block them so they are primarily used to get through the secure servers.

trust me the community not knowing about lua files is a good thing, we are close to finding a particular plugin that will block the use of lua files all together and it should be left at that.

No Ladder, no prize money, no support from the game devs, leagues are dying like flies, about 3 persons in the universe will care if you become the tippy top legit hl2dm player/team.

Some people openly admitted to fiddle with scripts/hacks. Some teams have some of these members on boards. Some teams just try to exploits the leagues rules AND STILL no one boycotss them.

You do NOT need to run a poll. You do NOT need to find some kind of crazy workaround. People just want to play the damn thing. Remember when NG was accused of hacks and the league got paused? everyone except a few people were mad at this, why? no one gives a shit. We just want to play.

You watch sport? Some teams are really well known to be fucking bitches about exploiting rules and faking injuries, are they pausing the godamn world cup to re-write rules and think over this whole situation. No. the others deal with it, if you play clean and still win, major props to you/team/country.

I'm I the only one on this boat? because I really feel like no one gives a fuck, brah

Who watches soccer?

No Ladder, no prize money, no support from the game devs, leagues are dying like flies, about 3 persons in the universe will care if you become the tippy top legit hl2dm player/team.

Some people openly admitted to fiddle with scripts/hacks. Some teams have some of these members on boards. Some teams just try to exploits the leagues rules AND STILL no one boycotss them.

You do NOT need to run a poll. You do NOT need to find some kind of crazy workaround. People just want to play the damn thing. Remember when NG was accused of hacks and the league got paused? everyone except a few people were mad at this, why? no one gives a shit. We just want to play.

I'm I the only one on this boat? because I really feel like no one gives a fuck, brah

Overgeneralize much? BTW when's the last time you even played in a league, and secondly even had the skill to compete top tier? Maybe you'd give a fuck when we're talking about the difference between cycling between 70 inputs, which is at least managable from the opponents perspective, to Zeik's explosive level of cycling 1-100 inputs and using a mani mod on top of it to make it worse. Oh and BTW, every single clan in CU had a player who cycled rates, even some of the more idolized clans you would never think would, I'll just leave it at that. Cycling was technically legal and I would've had to ban half the community.

There might, oh might be a line in all types of sports where you say, nope, that's gone too far. Zeik clearly went too far, and if you think having the ability to throw objects, and orbs without being to catch them period is not such a big deal, you're far more passive then I thought you were. Lastly, you're right, I didn't need a poll, some of last few actions as an admin were to temp ban Zeik and strongly suggest to Holy that all servers now implement Zblock no poll needed. People do still care, brah. There are some people who dont give a fuck if 1,000,000 people watch us win something, we do it because we love the game, brah.

mahnah-mahnah.

uh, i think provost makes a point thar, alot more ppl would care if the game wasnt such a shit.
Good game yes, do i care about it, kinda, but not in its current state.
The current player base who still puts an effort into caring for this game is a small percentage of that which would care if the game was fixed...yes indeed.
I think, in the end, that is the point of anyone saying "dead game" or "who cares".

mahnah-mahnah.

Sorrry for overreacting but this whole thing just feels like deja vu. You won't be able to stop every exploits that comes and eventually there will come a time where everyone will have to know the said exploit to ensure everyone plays the same game.

No I don't have the skill to compete top tier leagues and I don't see how it has anything to do with this.

I'm just saying league play is the only moment everyone can face pretty much whoever's left in hl2 in TDM and it sucks to see it get on hold until an exploited known by apparently 2 or 3 individuals. Some of them schedules around league play time and it's just good times in general to have these games going, even if it's game breaking, the league has started, maybe the said exploit has been used to win matches, meaning the current ladder is possibly already different from what it shouldve been.

well, i hope you're generalizing too val. i have no clue what rate cycling is. i have a basic understanding of rates so that i can address choke and loss... but thats it.

it seems there is a circle of knowledge that eventually develops a leak, or least the knowledge eventually trickles out. once that happens... omfg... the common peasantfolk KNOW! they cant be trusted to stay within our self defined limits of exploitation! SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! imagine if that mentality applied to bhopping? or fast orb? or nade cooking?

i joined this website to learn. its THE university after all. for me, there is great beauty and joy in playing this game... warts and all the other flaws included. what's getting harder for me to tolerate is the mindset of the remaining players.

Enough. This isn't helping anything. Bottom line - we have anti-cheat systems in place that stop every exploit. So all this angry banter is moot.

Con probably has far more league experience than the credit he is given, and ziek or w/e your name is, exploit hungry?

I'm not surprised, go back to whatever shitty game you came from and keep thinking it's cool to find exploits, I've seen your type a million times over, too bad to play legit so you decide to be "the underground haxfag".

What the fuck happened to lsd.

I agree with con and cellar, I have been playing games for many years. What I have learned is every game has exploits. Exploits are better open then closed then you have more people trying to solve them as well as exploit them which increases the speed at which things evolve. Look at the impulse 51 exploit by trying to keep it under wraps we ended up with a plugin to fix it rather then if we had opened it up and had more people looking into it and it took much longer for the solutions to propagate. Finally after a long time we figure out all you need to do is change a server command but because we were too near sited and some people had personal conflicts of interest we end up wasting all this time developing a plugin and trying to distribute it and overall end up making servers less consistent and secure.

Also there are all sorts of funny exploits like rate cycling but in the end its the least of our worries if someone really wants to they can go download an aimbot which is many times more effective than scripts or any other exploit. In fact it is almost sad that people are trying this junk if you are going to abuse the game and break league rules then you are cheating and if you are cheating you might as well go all the way. If it is more open we can all know about it and look for the signs and more people may have a chance to develop more solutions which will allow the best solutions to come forward faster.

Also something that stops every exploit is rediculous nothing does there is always another way around it. It's just a lame false sense of security bad server ops like to claim to keep noobs playing.

At the end of the day exploits always exist in ever game and 90% of the players are not using them and are fair to play with. I am 99.99% sure every season of every league in HL2DM has had at least one person aimbotting or wall hacking but overall it did not stop the majority of people from competing and having fun. You keep running the league and develop the security on the side when the security works implement it. But in the meantime we get to play.

Here let me make things easier for you guys to understand. Zeik is using custom made scripts along with his rating, everyone knows how to cycle between 1-100 inputs, as for the scripts he uses to aid them, I don't have a download link for them as their his own unique scripts. As for the ghosting exploit, yeah sure let me just release a guide on how to do it for everyone, brb.

The most important thing is we dont need to make a big deal about it now, we have tested a new mod that effectively blocks any massive rating and both new exploits.

. Oh and BTW, every single clan in CU had a player who cycled rates

If someone in Synergy was rate cycling, I would certainly want to know about it as I am sure the rest of my clan would.
Who was it and where is the proof?

. everyone knows how to cycle between 1-100 inputs,

How is this statement not a generalization as well? I am not real sure what you mean by "rate cycling", but I have and idea.
Also, FYI: I certainly have no clue on how to do it so not "everyone knows" as you claim

...everyone knows how to cycle between 1-100 inputs...

i think you're either wrong, or speaking geek. i have no idea wtf your "cycling" inputs means to you. but i know i dont CYCLE rates. i have them set in my auto exec and thats where they stay. i get whatever max rates the server im playing on allows. i wouldn't have any idea why or when i should ever change them unless i'm on a server that starts showing choke and loss. then i would have to spend some time experimenting with rates until i could improve choke and loss. and thats why i was all pissy in CU when lttl fucked with their server rates. because i had no idea how to change client rates for myself or my team mates to improve our net code before the match started. i certainly have no fucking idea how differing cmd, update, interp rates affect various weapons.

Oh and BTW, every single clan in CU had a player who cycled rates, even some of the more idolized clans you would never think would, I'll just leave it at that. Cycling was technically legal and I would've had to ban half the community.

My team didn't have any cycling players...

then again, we suck.

Well I've seen logs similar to the type of logs Edge showed about Blas and bahlk, I think maybe server settings are showing false flags of rate cyclings. I'm not sure the people who I've seen logs of really did or not, and frankly some of the people that there appears to show cycling of them doing it, I find really hard to believe they even know how to. Regardless if its not server settings making false alarms about rate cycling there are alot of people out there really doing it. I think there's something more to this issue.

@cellar,para, I've never rate cycled before but its really simple apparently, you setup a weapon to make your rate 1, then when you put out another weapon, that weapon makes your rate 100. Do it back and forth and you get magical results apparently, but Zeik is using a script on top of it to aid and make it even worse.

@ zeik do you have a clan to play with this season? Didnt you get kicked out of LsD? Afterall you're really gonna be be able to play this season, brah.

valiums doin work out there

Well I've seen logs similar to the type of logs Edge showed about Blas and bahlk, I think maybe server settings are showing false flags of rate cyclings. I'm not sure the people who I've seen logs of really did or not, and frankly some of the people that there appears to show cycling of them doing it, I find really hard to believe they even know how to. Regardless if its not server settings making false alarms about rate cycling there are alot of people out there really doing it. I think there's something more to this issue.

@cellar,para, I've never rate cycled before but its really simple apparently, you setup a weapon to make your rate 1, then when you put out another weapon, that weapon makes your rate 100. Do it back and forth and you get magical results apparently, but Zeik is using a script on top of it to aid and make it even worse.

These are my concerns, I'm posting them here incase anyones interested, if not, skip over this post.


Its not false-positives that it reports per-say. It just reports any changes in netcode settings including cl_interp, cl_interp_ratio, cl_updaterate, cl_cmdrate, and a few more I believe. The only time you can say someone is rate cycling is when the log actually reports that cl_cmdrate went down then back up.

Now, I do have some concerns about this whole shenanigans Valiums. When you brought it up to me, you said "Hey are you alright with suspending things in CU for a while. Holy is coming out with a new site that might merge a league and forums together." I said yes only because I wanted more time to get the 1v1 Division ready and hopefully get some new blood in DM as well.

Now talking with Holy, it appears I'm not even going to be the 1v1 admin anymore, which if that's to be so be it. My problem with this however is the fact that every time we try to run a league ourselves it has failed because people blame bad management. Now with CU we did have our first successful season in a long time, I think this is partially because we did have other people that managed it with us at the same time.

Another thing I don't like is the current set of Admins I was told there would be. In all three admins, Holy being head admin. No problems with holy at all really, but I don't like the idea of a "Head Admin" persay. I'd much rather an odd number to form a board of admins that vote / delegate on topics.

Also the board of admins should probably be voted on and also re-elected every 2 season. They should also most likely be a mix of all clans that will be participating or at least "well known-trusted" community members.

These are my concerns, I'm posting them here incase anyones interested, if not, skip over this post.

Well, seriously if you're trying to find every single exploit and ban whoever uses any of them, glhf see you in a couple of years. I understand that if we KNOW someone who is using scripts/exploits/hacks etc. we should do something about it, but seriously I think you guys are giving way too much attention to finding people who use these things instead of focusing on actually just running a good, stable league and playing for fun. And not like anyone who plays this game competetively play to win a prize or anything, I think most players just want a league because it's the easiest way to get scrims going with everyone in the community and to have fun with everyone not only the same 1 or 2 teams/people.

What the fuck happened to lsd.

I got to a point where I asked the same question to myself after I had stopped playing.
Oh well, at least I keep the memories of the good ol' duo.

ZOkAY

@ Edge, I hear your concerns, loud and clear, I've been recently asked to become an admin, I will likely accept and address these concerns soon Edge.

@Confused, some exploits like rate cycling, prop jumping are gonna be in general like banging a head against a wall to address, but have you tried out this new exploit? Do you know what its like to have objects and orbs thrown at that are absolutely uncatchable? I dont think you do and if you did see this exploit it would become clear it needs addressing or why even play at all if someone can have that advantage. Do some of you really think its A-OK to play in league against someone who has this type of advantage that can fixed, why oh why?

@ zeik I could honestly care less if you play, you're division 3 material even though there never was one. You're reputation is dead and anyone that liked you before probably doesnt now. Sorry to say but you're just a shady, unlikeable, weird person.

If we have these magical plugins that COMPLETELY block these exploits, why not tell us what the fucking exploit is then? What's the big fuckin deal? It's gonna come out eventually. Oh no an uncatchable orb and prop whatever am I gonna do?? Well tell me what this shit is so I can learn about it myself in case I see it outside a magical server where it's not blocked.

If we have these magical plugins that COMPLETELY block these exploits, why not tell us what the fucking exploit is then? What's the big fuckin deal? It's gonna come out eventually. Oh no an uncatchable orb and prop whatever am I gonna do?? Well tell me what this shit is so I can learn about it myself in case I see it outside a magical server where it's not blocked.

http://www.filefront.com/16563087/forconstipator.dem

middle school girls all over USA and Canada should come hear to get protips on hen house kackeling.

i dont understand...
the north american part of league hl2dm was dead, there werent any active leagues around as far as i remember...
we started the american part in cu, offering BOTH website to enter wars AND forum (which was hardly used by americans except for the war arrangement), and the american part of cu played a successful first season in 2v2 and 3v3... you guys even could make any rule you wanted. noone stopped you from making zblock mandatory.
then it was pause, 2 mysterious exploits appeared, and then u closed american cu to start a new league to have BOTH forum and website? Oo

does anyone thinks that with another new league everyone will move from the U to the new league forum?

its not my business anymore, but i dont see the benefit to start a new league instead of staying in a league that is now going into 15th season for 3v3 (and is the most successful hl2dm league with this amount of seasons), and having a well experienced and mostly fair management... but

its not my business anymore

a bunch of children up in this bitch

This is all sad...

@ consti there you go, have fun with what blas posted up.

@ zeik, like I said I could care less about you, you disrespected this community. You even bragged to about 3 different people about the new powers you had from the exploits.

@ Koncentrate, If you read the main purpose of leaving is that I don't have the time to be a head admin anymore, my main candidate and one of maybe only 2 people I know of that have the time and will to run an entire league was Holymoly. Holymoly as it turns was in the process of making a website for his own league. This community is too small to break apart into two leagues, his league and the CU league, I chose to throw my support behind him entirely.

Oh no an uncatchable orb and prop whatever am I gonna do??

To answer your question more directly, there is nothing you can do. You set your rates to vary from 1-100, and use a script that only Zeik and Blur posess. Blur pretended to be Zeik's friend, got the script and consequentially demonstrated the script + rating for us and allowed its demonstration to have a programmer setup a server mod defense for it. You essentially turn yourself into a non-solid object by the rating + script, watch the demo is all I can say. As for the details of the script, I don't even know them, that's up to Zeik or Blur to share.

This is all sad...

@ consti there you go, have fun with what blas posted up.

@ zeik, like I said I could care less about you, you disrespected this community. You even bragged to about 3 different people about the new powers you had from the exploits.

@ Koncentrate, If you read the main purpose of leaving is that I don't have the time to be a head admin anymore, my main candidate and one of maybe only 2 people I know of that have the time and will to run an entire league was Holymoly. Holymoly as it turns was in the process of making a website for his own league. This community is too small to break apart into two leagues, his league and the CU league, I chose to throw my support behind him entirely.

Does holy wear your support?

Kinda why I never played in leagues.

There was no fun to be had and it was just exploits out the ass. It wasn't about skill. It was about who knew how to do what.

Kinda why I never played in leagues.

There was no fun to be had and it was just exploits out the ass. It wasn't about skill. It was about who knew how to do what.

GIANT SIGH FACE

Another person commenting on the state of leagues who never really played in them. If you did play in them you know skill can counter exploit and EVEN hacks. Take for instance Divinity and myself, neither of us have ever tried any exploit, nor used a hack in our life and yet we're both top players who have taken down "exploiters" or known hackers. Although I do agree this community has seemed to develop a exploit sympathy over time. I mean people are really stating its just OK to have this new exploit where you cant catch anything they throw at them, really? How far down have we gone?

Ok, so you are saying every time I am within 3 feet of a person and they have a shotgun and I have a mag. I should be able to deal out a head shot EVERY TIME? Before they can unload two shells? Haha.

EDIT: And if I didn't know speedcrawl, I should also be able to head shot them every time they have the RPG in .5 seconds?

Ok, so you are saying everytime I am within 3 feet of a person and they have a shotgun and I have a mag. I should be able to deal out a headshot EVERYTIME? Before they can unload two shells? Haha.

Well actually if you watch the CU finals that's really what its like (or our archived CAL finals). Mag headshots are expected to be automatic at the very top echelon, and they pretty much were.

What the fuck happened to lsd.

I got to a point where I asked the same question to myself after I had stopped playing.
Oh well, at least I keep the memories of the good ol' duo.

We all remember the real lsd.

Hey zeik, must be fun to pretend you're good in a game we all quti playing after cal died, to call you an amateur troll is a lie because you're a faggot that is too stupid to be good at it, you sound like the other 1 million gamers that perform mental gymnastics to convince yourself people consider you anything other than an awkward teen trying way too hard on the internet.

I could go find moose right now and he would out troll you while beating you to the point of mouse out window rage, regardless of you spending hours playing this game every day.


You are nothing special.

@ zeik I could honestly care less if you play, you're division 3 material even though there never was one. You're reputation is dead and anyone that liked you before probably doesnt now. Sorry to say but you're just a shady, unlikeable, newguy.

Fixed

What the fuck happened to lsd.

I got to a point where I asked the same question to myself after I had stopped playing.
Oh well, at least I keep the memories of the good ol' duo.

We all remember the real lsd.

Hey zeik, must be fun to pretend you're good in a game we all quti playing after cal died, to call you an amateur troll is a lie because you're a faggot that is too stupid to be good at it, you sound like the other 1 million gamers that perform mental gymnastics to convince yourself people consider you anything other than an awkward teen trying way too hard on the internet.

I could go find moose right now and he would out troll you while beating you to the point of mouse out window rage, regardless of you spending hours playing this game every day.


You are nothing special.

gs

Ok, so you are saying every time I am within 3 feet of a person and they have a shotgun and I have a mag. I should be able to deal out a head shot EVERY TIME? Before they can unload two shells? Haha.

EDIT: And if I didn't know speedcrawl, I should also be able to head shot them every time they have the RPG in .5 seconds?

Id say if youre using mag vs shotgun at near point blank range, you should generally expect to die.

As for speedcrawl, this is just another reason why advanced techniques should not be kept secret. If those who knew speedcrawl existed had made it public back in early 2k5, the metagame would have adjusted around it just like it did speedballs, prop jumping and whatever else, and we would most likely have speedcrawl vents purposefully built into new maps as an interesting part of the gameplay instead of having it only exist in one tired old map where everyone cries about it.

@Val, indeed I have seen this orb exploit, never used it but had it used against me for "testing" by someone you probably already know the name of. I totally understand that this exploit in particular is a no-no in league play, but that's not what I meant in my previous post. What I meant is that if you think you're going to find every little exploit people use before the league season starts, then I'm sad to say it will probably never start at all. Yes the big exploits that we know of like rate cycling and the "uncatchable orb" have to be banned and dealt with in league play, but there will ALWAYS be new minor and/or major exploits that come in, and we can't always completely stop league play to find out if any others are used.

@Ko-tao, well for the mag vs shotgun topic, imo I've been getting a lot better with my mag lately, and realised that using the mag isn't a disadvantage even at a certain close range against a shotgun, unless it's really really close and you know you'll die in 1 blast, but other than that, 2 shots of the mag will usually kill the guy, and usually 2 shots of shotgun (depending on range of course) will kill the guy also. But that's just imo, not saying that's how it always goes or that the mag is better than shotty or w.e.

Now would be a good opportunity to give the HL2DM:OB that subzero made a shot in league play.

Ok, so you are saying every time I am within 3 feet of a person and they have a shotgun and I have a mag. I should be able to deal out a head shot EVERY TIME? Before they can unload two shells? Haha.

EDIT: And if I didn't know speedcrawl, I should also be able to head shot them every time they have the RPG in .5 seconds?

Id say if youre using mag vs shotgun at near point blank range, you should generally expect to die.

As for speedcrawl, this is just another reason why advanced techniques should not be kept secret. If those who knew speedcrawl existed had made it public back in early 2k5, the metagame would have adjusted around it just like it did speedballs, prop jumping and whatever else, and we would most likely have speedcrawl vents purposefully built into new maps as an interesting part of the gameplay instead of having it only exist in one tired old map where everyone cries about it.

I remember someone posting about it on the steam forums with a demo, they wouldnt say how to do it, I spent ages trying to figure it out but couldnt so gave up.
Fast forwward about 2 years and then I finally got told how to do it.

I hear you Conf. I'm not trying to address all exploits, just the big stuff, the uncatchable exploit, the ghost exploit and the DOS attacks. The ironic thing that Fearsome was demanding about not suspending to fix things (besides he himself suspended league play many times) is that the DOS attacks were making it so many of us couldn't play period.

All the aside the new mod we have addresses all four exploits. DOS attacks are deflected, ghost exploit is restricted, any user who rate cycles will be immediately kicked/banned from the server. Any nefarious/unusual scripts such as the script Zeik used to aid him are detected even before the player enters the server and is globally banned from any servers using the mod.

Of course the person responsible for this is not me, but is Holy and a well known programmer. So yes Keefy, I am his support bra, I love to be close to his man boobs at all times. I see what you did there, with the bra, brah.

So, this thread publicly announce 2-3 major game flaws that were serious enough to get league play suspended. No one can know about them or the hl2dm universe would collapse and games would be unplayable, then 3 days later, keefy's on it and before we know it all of this is going to be history? ...

@Rico Absolutely, we should simply go on HL2DM:OB and run a league on it, the more people plays on it the better, beside, there USED to be a good reason not to move because you could find random pubs on decent maps when no one was online. Now its all lowgrav RP, really, all of them now.

As far as the last league being interrupted, I just think some times, when you're too close to a problem you don't see the whole picture, and I guess with a step back the ones in charge figured that people would probably want to play no matter what. Plus, we all saw people's reaction when it got suspened, makes you think about what you've done.

and valium get off your throne, it's not because me or some others aren't high end top tier material, that we have no clue about how leagueplay works. Everyone's sticking around the U's these days have an opinion worth hearing.

Now would be a good opportunity to give the HL2DM:OB that subzero made a shot in league play.

I didn't really want to get brought into this but when if first saw the exploit zeik had, i knew it was not a normal script. Infact I contacted my gsp to see exactly what he was doing and they came to the conclusion he was using some sort of client side plugin. These scripts he had were running along with a client side plugin to overide server commands and basically giving the user the ability to do anything he wants. It is completely VAC proof and no ways of detection really. A large ammount of the scripts don't show up in FTP log files. Like I thought from the beginning there was no way zeik coded all of this scripts he had himself. I got the scripts and the client side plugin from zeik and immediately went to holymoly, valiums, blast ect. We started off by finding various plugins that are supposed to block these commands. These scripts can completely override any server commands and allow you to potentially crash individual players, enable wait command (for your self) and even enable sv_cheats (for your self). There are no limits to what they can do. The scripts have been used for years in games like css and now i guess people in hl2dm have them. Lucky for us there are a few plugins out there that can completely stop the use of these client side plugins and malicious scripts. When we find the right one to use for the league, we will share it with the community so they too can protect their servers. I am not going to put all this up for download for obvious reasons. As of now none of the servers in dm are completely protected from this exploit.

inb4 cornflict says something dumb again

Now would be a good opportunity to give the HL2DM:OB that subzero made a shot in league play.

these exploits work in ob engine by the way. a lot of players use it in css, dod, and tf2

So, this thread publicly announce 2-3 major game flaws that were serious enough to get league play suspended. No one can know about them or the hl2dm universe would collapse and games would be unplayable, then 3 days later, keefy's on it and before we know it all of this is going to be history? ...

and valium get off your throne, it's not because me or some others aren't high end top tier material, that we have no clue about how leagueplay works. Everyone's sticking around the U's these days have an opinion worth hearing.

Everyone knows about the exploits now. I gave you every single bit of knowledge I have of them, and blas gave you a demo of it in action. What more do you want? You want me to give a link where everyone can download the script? If you actually know what DOS attacks are, and actually looked at the demo of the exploit, you would know that games do actually become unplayable.

I try to be transparent as possible, preventing Zeik and certain unnamed partner of his as he said "Using it whenever possible, I got a secret weapon " and I get shit from a person who hasnt played in a hl2dm league in years. You make a good armchair general Conflict, defiling the progress of people who still care about the game from far, far away.

BTW I like my throne, its diamond encrusted with little boys with top hats who serve me premium peanuts flown in from Malaysia. So please dont make fun of my throne

This whole argument, as I've said before, is moot.

We're moving ahead with the league. If you want to play, then play. If you don't, then don't. I could honeslty care less. If no one in hl2dm wants to play in the league, I'll invest my time in one of seven other games where players would love to have a new league to help create. But, obviously, I'd prefer it if hl2dm got on board.

Now would be a good opportunity to give the HL2DM:OB that subzero made a shot in league play.

these exploits work in ob engine by the way. a lot of players use it in css, dod, and tf2

i probably couldn't care less about these exploits. read con's post about how pointless it is to fight them this way. he's made that point quite clear.

i probably couldn't care less about these exploits. read con's post about how pointless it is to fight them this way. he's made that point quite clear.

Jesus, you don't care you cant catch any objects anymore if someone uses this exploit? That's pathetic. It can and has been fixed, but yet you choose a defeatist attitude cowing to the exploiters.

you've been suggested to take a step back yet you ignore it and now look at how you read my post.
the cowing and defeatist attitude are in your mind as you read it.
now. you say you love this game and invest time and energy to keep it alive? great. you found a problem with exploits making it impossible to run leagues? capital.
run draft nights and when you find a fix to the exploits implement them. but don't stop.

you've been suggested to take a step back yet you ignore it and now look at how you read my post.
the cowing and defeatist attitude are in your mind as you read it.
now. you say you love this game and invest time and energy to keep it alive? great. you found a problem with exploits making it impossible to run leagues? capital.
run draft nights and when you find a fix to the exploits implement them. but don't stop.

Well, we kinda had to stop because we're transition from CU to the new site. Also we kinda had to stop because Xs kinda couldnt play any games because their servers were kinda being crashed everyday by someone targeting bluR. You may notice you cant play matches when you dont have a server that isnt running.

who is this? do you know?

who is this? do you know?

*SUPPOSEDLY* [BOSS]MONKEY and his clan. Except this is info from bluR, and blur has about 15,0000000,000000000000,000000000000000,00000000000,00000000000000 enemies so not entirely sure, but Monkey has had a long grudge with blur. DOS attacks with the mod are gone now too though, we havent had a succesful attack on any of the secured servers yet...

sounds like something Valve would love to know about. did you guys contact them?

Now would be a good opportunity to give the HL2DM:OB that subzero made a shot in league play.

these exploits work in ob engine by the way. a lot of players use it in css, dod, and tf2

I'm aware of that, but the OB version fixes a lot of the other bugs that people have been bitching about for years though. This would be a good chance to try OB out and see how it holds up. Subzero has spent what? Two years or so working on it for a group of ungrateful, whiny, bitchy, OMFG FIX THIS GAME PLEASE VALVE, OH GOD, BUT DON'T CHANGE **** fags? And what good has it done. Nada. It sits there unused.
This thread is a perfect example of why HL2DM will NEVER have nice things.

I'm aware of that, but the OB version fixes a lot of the other bugs that people have been bitching about for years though. This would be a good chance to try OB out and see how it holds up. Subzero has spent what? Two years or so working on it for a group of ungrateful, whiny, bitchy, OMFG FIX THIS GAME PLEASE VALVE, OH GOD, BUT DON'T CHANGE **** fags? And what good has it done. Nada. It sits there unused.
This thread is a perfect example of why HL2DM will NEVER have nice things.

I'd say do it on the ob engine a lot more people might be interested

you've no idea how many things can be done in OB as far as optimization and level design does.

sounds like something Valve would love to know about. did you guys contact them?

http://www.clans-united.net/index.php?s ... 272&page=3

Silla wrote:[hr]Yesterday i got important informations from Valve Support Trouble Ticket

And it was that was i expect ... crap - man wtf ...

...
Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
We do not offer support for server issues.
...

thx

Means they do not care about exploits ...

so life with it ... pf

Keeper

Ok, so you are saying everytime I am within 3 feet of a person and they have a shotgun and I have a mag. I should be able to deal out a headshot EVERYTIME? Before they can unload two shells? Haha.

Well actually if you watch the CU finals that's really what its like (or our archived CAL finals). Mag headshots are expected to be automatic at the very top echelon, and they pretty much were.

Yes but RPG is not victim to hitreg issues, this can cause balance problems, and i am yet to go into a server and get good enough rego..on complete noobs even to say that the balance between explosives and bullets is even. Obviously the noobs dont win but they often get a few more kills then they should as a result. In the situations BI describes the other is generally at an advantage as a result, and shotgun having a spread means that atleast half+ of the damage will generally register. Though the amount of damage done by secondary fire with shotty is really random in my experience.

@valiums He told me it has him cause i guess he was trying to act hard ass, but i downloaded DAF (a free anti dos program) and he stopped.

@otherfags so enabling sv_cheats clientside (for your self) and being able to use r_drawothermodels 2 is just another exploit right???? we should just get on with it and start the league? NO.

We are going to have lightweight plugins to block these scripts and dos attacks in the new league.

Like i said b4 all these scripts and clientside plugins work fine in hl2dm:ob, css, tf2, dod, l4d. As valiums previously stated we aren't trying to address all the small exploits that exist in hl2dm. We found new exploits that no one knew about and we are trying to eliminate them in the new league. They are to big to just be left alone or ignored. Whats wrong with going to a new league, the people that made cu WORLD WIDE happen are backing up eFPS just as much. As i said in a previous post when the league starts we will have plugins out that will completely block dos attacks, and stop illegal scripting. Changing to hl2dm:ob won't change anything or stop this exploit. What surprises me the most is the people who are against the new league have not even played in cu since it was launched yet are quick to criticize our positive attempts to make hl2dm better.

If blur was an eloquent man, I think he'd try to say that the reason this is important is beyond these 3 exploits. In the process of what Zeik discovered he discovered ways that are far beyond these two exploits, but use the same type of basis in the script manner. If we dont get the proper blocks done to the type of scripts being used now, the exploits can evolve into things you CANNOT imagine.

@otherfags so enabling sv_cheats clientside (for your self) and being able to use r_drawothermodels 2 is just another exploit right???? we should just get on with it and start the league? NO.

If someone can do this it means they are out right cheating no different then using a wall hack. So what? Like I said I am 99.99% sure in every season of every league at least 1 person was aimbotting and using a wall hack. The fact is you cannot expect any plugin or anticheat to be 100% effective against these things if you think one will be it just shows you have no idea what you are talking about. You have to play through it, part of it means watching closer and trying to catch people manually and part of it just means growing up and realizing that if someone beats you on an internet game it is not the end of the world. If you think you got a guy then alert the admins or try to bust him your self. But if we don't even know who all might be doing it we are in no different of a situation then we have always been in.

Here is my problem with this whole situation. It takes years to develop a decent league website. It takes even longer to implement effective anticheat. In fact no one has ever made an anticheat that was not pretty quickly dispatched of by cheat coders. If someone wants to do either of these items knock yourself out. But in the mean time keep running the league that is already working. No offense to Holy but I am completely unaware of his web programming ability and have no knowledge of him ever being a league admin. And he is some how suppose to quickly put something together that is better than CU or CAL which had years and many seasons and multiple games worth of experience and time to develop what they had? Either he has some qualifications that I am unaware of or he just has no idea what it will take to do that, or he is going to deliver a product that is sub par. No matter what way you do the math things just do not add up. The other problem is that if such people with the skills and more importantly time are working on such a website maybe they should use their talents to help make CU a better back end rather than reinventing the wheel.

and I get shit from a person who hasnt played in a hl2dm league in years.

Friendly FYI: Conflict was rostered on a team in the last CU season as a backup (his wish) and he did play a couple of matches.

. The fact is you cannot expect any plugin or anticheat to be 100% effective against these things if you think one will be it just shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Once again people are putting words in our mouths and assuming we are looking to obtain this naturally overinflated goal. We know we can't, no one ever can. We are patching up an issue and loophole that is older in nature and well known in the CSS communities. This scripting loophole allows a 4th grader to implement wallhacks, or manually edit a server config, or your config.

Zeik had these powers and openly admitted he along with another person wanted to use these new abilities in league play. There is absolutely no question whatsoever this loophole needed to be closed, and it has. If we didnt, this loophole discovered by Zeik would likely spread like a plague where would we have a massive influx of server editing, rate exploits unlike anything you've ever seen, object exploiting ect ect ect.

VAC doesn't detect it, its a bug in the source engine itself. There is a fix for it and it works, we are gonna use it. the plugin it self has to be "hexed" in order for it work in dm, so if there ever is an update we will update the block. Again these are scripts not hax valve knows about them too, they can be used for good intentions or bad. Just like impulse 51 (bad example i know) we found the bug and got a fix. GG

Now would be a good opportunity to give the HL2DM:OB that subzero made a shot in league play.

QFT

...Though the amount of damage done by secondary fire with shotty is really random in my experience.

The shotgun cone itself is random, so ya, damage is going to be pretty random too, especially when headshot pellets are factored in.

Speaking of which, did HL2DM:OB fix this? If not, add static shotgun cone to the list.

If someone can do this it means they are out right cheating no different then using a wall hack. So what? Like I said I am 99.99% sure in every season of every league at least 1 person was aimbotting and using a wall hack. The fact is you cannot expect any plugin or anticheat to be 100% effective against these things if you think one will be it just shows you have no idea what you are talking about. You have to play through it, part of it means watching closer and trying to catch people manually and part of it just means growing up and realizing that if someone beats you on an internet game it is not the end of the world. If you think you got a guy then alert the admins or try to bust him your self. But if we don't even know who all might be doing it we are in no different of a situation then we have always been in.

Here is my problem with this whole situation. It takes years to develop a decent league website. It takes even longer to implement effective anticheat. In fact no one has ever made an anticheat that was not pretty quickly dispatched of by cheat coders. If someone wants to do either of these items knock yourself out. But in the mean time keep running the league that is already working. No offense to Holy but I am completely unaware of his web programming ability and have no knowledge of him ever being a league admin. And he is some how suppose to quickly put something together that is better than CU or CAL which had years and many seasons and multiple games worth of experience and time to develop what they had? Either he has some qualifications that I am unaware of or he just has no idea what it will take to do that, or he is going to deliver a product that is sub par. No matter what way you do the math things just do not add up. The other problem is that if such people with the skills and more importantly time are working on such a website maybe they should use their talents to help make CU a better back end rather than reinventing the wheel.

Why don't you add me on friends and we can talk? I'd love to discuss your opinions on the subject further.

this loophole FOUND by Zeik

Corrected, though i know u allready realise this, just have to say zeik would merely be gayfag using other ppls discoveries rather then discovering and working things out himself.
Also if u browse the steampowered forums u will see that ppl have been mentioning LUA in the vac section for quite a while now i think. I remember reading about it....

...Though the amount of damage done by secondary fire with shotty is really random in my experience.

The shotgun cone itself is random, so ya, damage is going to be pretty random too, especially when headshot pellets are factored in.

Speaking of which, did HL2DM:OB fix this? If not, add static shotgun cone to the list.

Yea, i dont mean that though, i mean lets say, shooting someone in the face at close range and getting absolutly no reg. etc
The shotgun is odd, i find on some servers if they are moving/strafing, then shooting them with secfire can be very uneffective. Like on servers that have hitsounds for example, u can shoot someone and gets lots of blood but get get no reg at all on that shot. And it seems to be on secfire mainly, primary fire has more consistancy on hitreg.

Most active topic in hl2dm history.

Pathetic.

Ok, so you are saying everytime I am within 3 feet of a person and they have a shotgun and I have a mag. I should be able to deal out a headshot EVERYTIME? Before they can unload two shells? Haha.

Well actually if you watch the CU finals that's really what its like (or our archived CAL finals). Mag headshots are expected to be automatic at the very top echelon, and they pretty much were.

Ok, I did what you said. I watched the archived 1v1 finals of poor billy and confused. And here's what I found...

Poor_Billy:
Xbow and Mag - 1
Other weapons - 30
Confused:
Xbow and Mag - 0
Other - 16
Now what is your point again?

Most active topic in hl2dm history.

Pathetic.

and grain didnt even start it.......but i guess if he did it would be locked by now.

If someone can do this it means they are out right cheating no different then using a wall hack. So what? Like I said I am 99.99% sure in every season of every league at least 1 person was aimbotting and using a wall hack. The fact is you cannot expect any plugin or anticheat to be 100% effective against these things if you think one will be it just shows you have no idea what you are talking about. You have to play through it, part of it means watching closer and trying to catch people manually and part of it just means growing up and realizing that if someone beats you on an internet game it is not the end of the world. If you think you got a guy then alert the admins or try to bust him your self. But if we don't even know who all might be doing it we are in no different of a situation then we have always been in.

Here is my problem with this whole situation. It takes years to develop a decent league website. It takes even longer to implement effective anticheat. In fact no one has ever made an anticheat that was not pretty quickly dispatched of by cheat coders. If someone wants to do either of these items knock yourself out. But in the mean time keep running the league that is already working. No offense to Holy but I am completely unaware of his web programming ability and have no knowledge of him ever being a league admin. And he is some how suppose to quickly put something together that is better than CU or CAL which had years and many seasons and multiple games worth of experience and time to develop what they had? Either he has some qualifications that I am unaware of or he just has no idea what it will take to do that, or he is going to deliver a product that is sub par. No matter what way you do the math things just do not add up. The other problem is that if such people with the skills and more importantly time are working on such a website maybe they should use their talents to help make CU a better back end rather than reinventing the wheel.

Why don't you add me on friends and we can talk? I'd love to discuss your opinions on the subject further.

you have to be in sw for that privilage bro

Ok, so you are saying everytime I am within 3 feet of a person and they have a shotgun and I have a mag. I should be able to deal out a headshot EVERYTIME? Before they can unload two shells? Haha.

Well actually if you watch the CU finals that's really what its like (or our archived CAL finals). Mag headshots are expected to be automatic at the very top echelon, and they pretty much were.

Ok, I did what you said. I watched the archived 1v1 finals of poor billy and confused. And here's what I found...

Poor_Billy:
Xbow and Mag - 1
Other weapons - 30
Confused:
Xbow and Mag - 0
Other - 16
Now what is your point again?

Ok so you watched one match of the combined CU and CAL finals, and it was a 1v1 demo. Congrats for not making your point.

some of what is being described in this thread is clearly MORE than what i would define as an exploit. i agree with fearsome in that regards... that its an outright cheat or hax. and i would support a ban on zeek for league play due to his use of said cheat/hax. doesn't matter to me if he was pubbing or scrimming. if he used it anywhere other than in a controlled server with knowing consent of all others in the server... ban. after all, im not hearing any remorse out of zeek at all. no mention of a noble experiment for the benefit of the community. just big fat rationalizations and childish boasting.

therefore, ive never disagreed with the idea of plugins to prevent this cheat. but i think its a bit of a slippery slope regarding the term "scripts". basically, thats because ive never made an effort to understand scripts. to my memory... sv_pure 2 was supposed to eliminate "scripts"... at least those using the "wait" command. and then there are keyboards and mice that allow macro's. so... is a script a script without the "wait" command? is a macro a script? is the use of any "alias" commands for a bind a script? in my mind at least, there is knowledge amongst certain clans/players regarding how/when to bind certain rates for enhanced weapon performance. is that a good script? bad script? no script? exploit? cheat? hax? or just priviledged info for those who happen to be "properly" connect to those in the know?

i think these things need to be discussed in the open.

anyone else think it's time to hang up the crowbars and move on?

this is getting kinda sad...

anyone else think it's time to hang up the crowbars and move on?

this is getting kinda sad...

and u are?

anyone else think it's time to hang up the crowbars and move on?

this is getting kinda sad...

Some fag named Tim.

anyone else think it's time to hang up the crowbars and move on?

this is getting kinda sad...

PB?

Well, about the DOS thing, I don't think it's only blur or the xs server that has that problem. Cause the last 2 scrims I've played in hl2dm, which one was yesterday (in sw server) both times we got DOSed, so I think it's just some kid doing it anyone who scrims when he see's them.

Well, about the DOS thing, I don't think it's only blur or the xs server that has that problem. Cause the last 2 scrims I've played in hl2dm, which one was yesterday (in sw server) both times we got DOSed, so I think it's just some kid doing it anyone who scrims when he see's them.

It is some sad kid with nothing better to do I guess. Holy's match server are DOS protected as it stands. Just FYI Holy could either help you setup a KAK mod or if he isnt around you can use the latest model of Zblock 4.4, it has a DOSenable_0 command which prevents the attacks. Zblock however does not prevent LUA based scripts tho, which are the more dangerous scripts where KAK is needed.

Well, about the DOS thing, I don't think it's only blur or the xs server that has that problem

download this plugin, most people dosing in this game are just using a simple program that sends empty packets to the server.


http://www.sendspace.com/file/emymb5

will protect your shiz, dl it

rcon_lock along with daf will secure your server from all the new found exploits, if keeper is reading and you want to add something plz do.

rcon_lock along with daf will secure your server from all the new found exploits, if keeper is reading and you want to add something plz do.

Winning statement so far.

Why don't you add me on friends and we can talk? I'd love to discuss your opinions on the subject further.

you have to be in sw for that privilage bro

Na He has loosened up some and has peeps other than SW on his friends list now.

some of what is being described in this thread is clearly MORE than what i would define as an exploit. i agree with fearsome in that regards... that its an outright cheat or hax. and i would support a ban on zeek for league play due to his use of said cheat/hax. doesn't matter to me if he was pubbing or scrimming. if he used it anywhere other than in a controlled server with knowing consent of all others in the server... ban. after all, im not hearing any remorse out of zeek at all. no mention of a noble experiment for the benefit of the community. just big fat rationalizations and childish boasting.

Before I start to get ready to go out to the club with Ace2Quick I forgot to address Cellar's comments. LUA/LSS designs arent hacks, they are scripts that conceil hacks or unlock server priviledges, but are scripts at the end of the day.

Other thing is Zeik is banned, there was a brief misunderstanding and has been cleared up. Not only did you go around and brag about your exploits, you bragged how you temporarily convinced Holy to give you some slack room, I think your bragging days are done.

What's up Brah!

i heard ace has sick dance moves

After seeing some evidence provided to me, not to mention his attitude about it in this thread, I agree that Zeik should be banned from participating.

anyone else think it's time to hang up the crowbars and move on?

this is getting kinda sad...

PB?

SC2 is out, real Tim is busy.