Men will become Gods

Va|iums

2010-08-16 00:14:35

WARNING NOT FOR THE TYPE THAT SAY LET GOD SORT IT ALL OUT

If you get a spare hour or two in your day I highly reccomend watching both of these series. Don't worry both of these series were made for idiots like you and me and don't include higher mathematical equations that would fry our brains. This is about a groundbreaking theory of "everything", a theory that will eventually not only master our own universe, but will begin to shatter the walls of the relatively unknown membrane mutliverse.

String Theory Series, turns into m-theory (Reccomend before watching next series) http://www.youtube.com/user/ogniank#p/u/13/E7FV9aaiwKQ

Membrane Theory Series (Skip first series if familiar with string theory); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-yEu-b_YD0

What is interesting is the M-Theory rising to strong prominence over the last decade is crumbling walls of universal equations and the mystery of the singularity. M-theory has essentially unlocked the door to mastering our universe in the field of quantum mechanics. While at an infant stage eventually the quantum field of mechanics and math will over time be able to solve nearly all of the major mysteries of our own universe with the building block of M-Theory. Over time as quantum mechanics is able to replicate and master 2 dimensional plains and create equations and predictions based on the 11th dimension along with being able to perfectly replicate the conditions for a mini black hole, we will be able to effectively plant a seed and create a universe.

This would not make us a God in the conventional mythical sense, we could not design the lifeforms as we please, we could only seed a universe, after which we would no longer have control. It could be we create failed universes, ones in which only the laws of electrons are obeyed, or we could conceivable create a universe with the exact same physical laws as our own, in essence a universe that would guarentee the birth of intelligent life. One begins to see after watching both series the paradox that not everything has a beginning, that energy is never gained nor lost, and that by creating our universe one day we can see in a practical sense how the birth and deaths of universes are infinite and eternal.

Pernicious

2010-08-16 01:08:46

Ed Witton, or wateva, i have seen stuff with him b4, sounds like an androgynous space alien XD.

Va|iums

2010-08-16 01:55:27

Pernicious wrote:Ed Witton, or wateva, i have seen stuff with him b4, sounds like an androgynous space alien XD.
Ed Witten* and lol, he may as well be an android. He is our generations intellectal baron/titan/progidy, someone's whose mastered both physics AND mathematics to level he's done is truly a god among men.

Pernicious

2010-08-16 02:56:34

Yea i remember something about his IQ being measured at like 200 or even over, /shrugs not sure if thats true.

Blasphemy

2010-08-16 05:00:29

lewl remember reading the elegant universe 5 years ago

The Argumentalizer

2010-08-16 08:30:52

How are mathematics going to create lifeforms?!
And what are you talking about creating universes. String Theory has been solved.

And what does any of that have to do with organized lifeforms and the design in the first place?!?
Creating Universes. It's nonsense.

We can't even build a hydrogen cell car.

Men are not gods and never will be gods. It's a lot of Rationalism and nonsense.
We will explain a lot, but we will never explain why a rose exists or an ant or Cat or Wheat or any of that.

Va|iums

2010-08-16 09:22:16

The Argumentalizer wrote:How are mathematics going to create lifeforms?!
And what are you talking about creating universes. String Theory has been solved.

And what does any of that have to do with organized lifeforms and the design in the first place?!?
Creating Universes. It's nonsense.

We can't even build a hydrogen cell car.

Men are not gods and never will be gods. It's a lot of Rationalism and nonsense.
We will explain a lot, but we will never explain why a rose exists or an ant or Cat or Wheat or any of that.
i lol'd

You do realize its within the physical laws of our universe to actually create our own universe if we have the technology right? Its just a fact bro, dont get all personal

The Argumentalizer

2010-08-16 10:24:15

No, i am with you if you claim mathematics will open up understanding of the Universe.
You just went apeshit over a TV program and leaped to creating Universes and becoming like Gods, which is arrogant nonsense.

You seem to leave out the real important deal when thinking about this stuff.
LIFE.
Mathematics will NEVER describe why a bumblebee does what it does or a rose looks like it does.
You view the universe as Matter the physics, when you are lifeform.
I don't get how you MISS the most important part of the Universe, YOU.
Maybe you should rethink what you think.
Maybe take your thoughts to Professors and hear what they say.

the_big_cheese

2010-08-16 10:39:40

The Argumentalizer wrote:Mathematics will NEVER describe why a bumblebee does what it does or a rose looks like it does.
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No?

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0

2010-08-16 11:15:42

The Argumentalizer wrote: Mathematics will NEVER describe why a bumblebee does what it does or a rose looks like it does.
I'm sorry Impala but that is a very ignorant comment. Math is everywhere in botanical studies. Ever heard of the Golden Ratio?
Also: Bees communicate through a very geometric pattern of walking.

ZOMGMATHS



Also:

ohboyherewego :popcorn:

Va|iums

2010-08-16 11:19:16

The Argumentalizer wrote:No, i am with you if you claim mathematics will open up understanding of the Universe.
You just went apeshit over a TV program and leaped to creating Universes and becoming like Gods, which is arrogant nonsense.

You seem to leave out the real important deal when thinking about this stuff.
LIFE.
Mathematics will NEVER describe why a bumblebee does what it does or a rose looks like it does.
You view the universe as Matter the physics, when you are lifeform.
I don't get how you MISS the most important part of the Universe, YOU.
Maybe you should rethink what you think.
Maybe take your thoughts to Professors and hear what they say.
hmm not really sure how to respond to that. You countered with vaguely philosophic and untrue claims. You do know mathematics can descibe why a rose looks like how it is? Let me put it this way without getting TL;DR, black holes can create universes, and we can create black holes even right now.

CERN is projected to produce hundreds of miniature black holes over the decades, but none stable enough to create a universe. As time goes on it is feasible humans will be able to grasp the collision technology to create an electrically nuetral stable black hole. One that could give birth to a universe, but as it being electrically nuetral would do no damage to our own earth. The most foolish thing of all is to say "It can't be done".

Its very possible we can even travel faster then the speed of light by distorting space time fabric, which is physically possible, but isnt really "traveling" in the conventional sense. Its like say, having a rug spread across the entire world, you start from point A, and point B at the other end of the world lies a Angelina Jolie clone that is a virgin. You must travel this rug to reach the clone virgin Angelina (which if you are a straight man you want to do), except you can just fabricate a machine to quickly ravel the rug and bring her to you in hours instead of taking years to walk to her.

BTW "who" is important in the universe is just a philosophical debate, I myelf view myself as unimportant in the broad scheme of things.

The Argumentalizer

2010-08-16 11:24:00

Um, Mathematics does not explain the inner intelligence and the directions of DNA and RNA.
I am not speaking about code that reproduces a flower picture.
I am not saying Math and physics are not part of natural science.

I am asking why does a rose exist or why a Bumblebee is impelled to do what it does.
Why do cells go out and fight invaders.
Why is a banana so pleasing to eat!?
In a Universe governed by Entropy, why are there advanced organized life forms capable of contemplating the Universe!?!?
Why does a cell become fertilized and than begins the division of life process!??!

Not HOW. But WHY!?
We can explain much of HOW things work but little of WHY.
Don't get me wrong. I am no bible thumper and Valiums isn't the first to contemplate Science and math and all the possibilities.

There is also some deeply EERIE things unearthed by QM and Physics, that point to design more than happenstance.

The Argumentalizer

2010-08-16 11:30:04

"You do know mathematics can descibe why a rose looks like how it is? "

You are mistaken. I am not speaking about science describing why it appears like does.
I am saying Science can't explain why it exists at all and why it smells like it does, pleasant to humans.
What is the function of the roses appearance and smell!?!?

Why do you exist?
The Universe is supposed to be filled with violence and things decaying, breaking apart. So, how do you explain human beings!??!
Organized life. How do you explain WHY the intricate atomic design of matter.
Inner intelligence, at a cellular level, WHY!?!?

Valiums, you are not the first to believe hard Science will explain everything.
Many have come before you a proclaimed ALL is within reach with Mathematics.
And we are still burning COAL energy and Gasoline engines for cars.

Congratulations on the wonders and applications of a TV Program.

I could have just posted there is a cool thought provoking TV series and why, But you couldn't help yourself.

Pernicious

2010-08-16 11:32:22

I think u took his god statement too literally, for us to be gods we would have to not only understand the universe but also be able to alter it/affect it with nothing but our minds, and control our own subconscious(changing ur heart rate by changing ur breathing doesnt count :P).
And i think that consciousness/life could possibly be quantified, just whether or not it can be proved or will be by Humans is another story. Obviously the universal consciousness theory is the only thing that makes sense to me at this point in time. I think it makes sense that all life in the universe gets its subconscious/instincts from the universe itself somehow the only problem is finding out why a consciousness/processing power/database/wateva da fark exists and how it came into existence etc.
blah blah blah.

The Argumentalizer

2010-08-16 11:37:38

Great, Science can wipe out this universe by creating it's own stupid version.
It's really not that deep.

Science can go to the Moon and Gives us Really big bombs and fighters...

Where is the real breakthrough?!
Where is the real promise of Science.
I hope it isn't chasing nonsense.
I hope it is give us practical applications and technology.

Creating a Universe!?!? Why? We already have a better one.
I get the theory side, thats ok, but there is a breaking point.

provost

2010-08-16 13:15:51

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Uncle Rico

2010-08-16 15:23:15

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Inevitable

s0iz

2010-08-16 16:31:48

Lol the fact that nobody could describe a Math formula to describe something in the nature doesn't mean it can't be done. Even social complexity can be described with Math.

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0

2010-08-16 18:00:02

Uncle Rico wrote:Image

Inevitable
True.

Still..


WHY DOES MATH DO ITS MATHEMATICAL THINGS AND CALCULATE NUMBERS N SQUIGGLY THINGS

Va|iums

2010-08-16 22:36:04

The Argumentalizer wrote:Where is the real breakthrough?!
Where is the real promise of Science.
I hope it isn't chasing nonsense.
I hope it is give us practical applications and technology.
Fucking sciences....


Without it we definately would still be sitting here on our computers...


















































Definately

Sacrifist

2010-08-16 23:11:19

The Argumentalizer wrote:The Universe is supposed to be filled with violence and things decaying, breaking apart.
Actually, pretty much everything that "dies" in the Universe creates something new. I would also say that the Universe has more shit being "born" in it then decaying and breaking apart. The Universe itself is expanding/growing. It is filled with plenty of Violence though (at least violence towards us insignificant little human beings).

CellarDweller

2010-08-16 23:34:15

A poet once said, "The whole universe is in a glass of wine." We will probably never know in what sense he meant that, for poets do not write to be understood. But it is true that if we look at a glass of wine closely enough we see the entire universe. There are the things of physics: the twisting liquid which evaporates depending on the wind and weather, the reflections in the glass, and our imagination adds the atoms. The glass is a distillation of the Earth's rocks, and in its composition we see the secrets of the universe's age, and the evolution of stars. What strange arrays of chemicals are in the wine? How did they come to be? There are the ferments, the enzymes, the substrates, and the products. There in wine is found the great generalization: all life is fermentation. Nobody can discover the chemistry of wine without discovering, as did Louis Pasteur, the cause of much disease. How vivid is the claret, pressing its existence into the consciousness that watches it! If our small minds, for some convenience, divide this glass of wine, this universe, into parts — physics, biology, geology, astronomy, psychology, and so on — remember that Nature does not know it! So let us put it all back together, not forgetting ultimately what it is for. Let it give us one more final pleasure: drink it and forget it all! ~ Richard Feynman

Va|iums

2010-08-17 01:02:03

It's kind of funny you may have accidently quoted one of the biggest opponents of string theory, I doubt you did it intentionally. Feynman was part of the old guard physics machinery that stifled the air of development in string theory, he died when string theory equations started to all link together. I think if Feynman were alive when Edward Whitten in 1995 succesfully pieced together the disorganized, messy string theorum into M-Theory he might've had to resign his bitterness towards the "Theory of everything".

M-Theory is truly a revolution in science, the biggest since general relativity. It seems easy for older men, familiar with the way things were to grasp onto the past, its comfortable and provides resolute and familiar answers.

Counter quote, "An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul."

"What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out and that the growing generation is familiarized with the idea from the beginning.

Max Planck [1858-1947]
The Philosophy of Physics, 1936

Blasphemy

2010-08-17 06:48:24

epic quote time

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[EYE] Valar

2010-08-19 00:30:44

on in other words...

This is earth, our home. yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada and we're so very small in the universe.

[EYE] Valar

2010-08-19 11:42:36

chickenmobile

2010-08-19 17:40:12

I don't believe there should be this argument. We can imagine and investigate things and find out that they could be possible but our society will refuse to allow this to happen. Organizations are too greedy - keeping us back, people cling onto the familiar which creates values - and as long as someone will oppose we will never continue to create things such as universes or travel faster than the speed of light.

As far as I see, the only reason why we have improved in technology in the last hundred years is because of war and there is no direct evidence there is going to be any large 'physical' wars in the future. By physical I mean eradication of whole countries by force not by conspicuous advertising and lifestyle changes.

Va|iums

2011-05-11 02:40:13

Blast from the past bump.

I'm not a physician, or knowledgable the mathematical ways in which it can work but an article came out recently in Discover that seems to support my long-term prediction about black holes. There are 3 types of civilizations it is speculated, at the third level these creatures can harness Planck energy, or the energy to create black holes, and it seems from this article, the ability to create universes.

Here is the article about black holes, and an amazing peak inside of them.


"Andrew Hamilton is an astrophysicist and computer programmer. He programmed a graphics progam meant for designing video games with over 100,000 lines of code in the form of general relativity equations and as complex as todays modeling programs on super computers. He noticed weird things at first which were then later proven true, for example, when approaching the event horizon, where nothing can return without accelerating faster than light, reality seems to optically split in half as you approach. When you cross the outer event horizon, space itself is falling faster than light, creating a cascade of flowing energy. After dumping his old model, of a non-rotating, uncharged black hole and coming up with a realistic, rotating, charged black hole, Steve discovered that a charged black hole actually has a second, inner event horizon. Roger Penrose, a physics legend, formerly showed that something must happen at the inner of the hole, where all the energy and material is sucked in, and is piled up.

After plugging in more of Einsteins field equations and seeing what that meant for the inside of the black hole, Steve discovered something astounding: the inner event horizon maybe the most chaotic and violently unstable place in the universe. Building on the work of previous physicists Eric Poisson and Werner Israel, he describes the inner horizon as an inflationary instability. "This is because everything-mass-energy-pressure-- keeps growing exponentially and the surface cannot sustain itself and must eventually collapse."

This is where it gets interesting, when an object approaches the inner horizon of a rotating black hole, it goes on one of two beam paths, dependent on which direction the object is moving in relation to the spin of the black hole. Particles entering opposite the spin join an "ingoing beam" that has positive energy and goes forward in time. While particles entering at the same direction of rotation, joins an outgoing beam with negative energy moving backward in time.

"The inner horizon acts as an astonishingly powerful particle accelerator, shooting the ingoing and outgoing beams past each other at nearly the speed of light.[Hamilton 34]

This picture came to him from, simply "staring at the mathematics, from staring at Einsteins equations."

Once the particle accelerator starts, it never stops. The faster the moving streams, the more energy; there more energy, the more gravity, and the faster it accelerates. [34]

The black holes inner accelerator could spawn entire new universes. Something like our universe forming could occur inside a black hole, where mini black holes are formed at the inner horizon while connected to it's mother black hole such as an infants umbilical cord like a miniscule wormhole until it breaks off "to pursue a destiny completely removed from our own." "If there's anywhere in our universe where baby universes are being created, it's likely happening inside black holes" [35].

If you wanted to venture into the inner horizon, which I would recommend against, Hamilton describes it as "'taking particles from your body, and slam them against particles coming the other way at Planck-scale energies'-conditions associated with the distance of about 10^-35 meter and energies about a quadrillion time what the LHC can acheive" [37].

Heart1ess

2011-05-12 02:12:53

Funny how metaphysics/ sciences/ philosophy always creep up on the U. Vals you smoking dmt again :P




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Pernicious

2011-05-12 03:16:09

Sacrifist wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:The Universe is supposed to be filled with violence and things decaying, breaking apart.
Actually, pretty much everything that "dies" in the Universe creates something new. I would also say that the Universe has more shit being "born" in it then decaying and breaking apart. The Universe itself is expanding/growing. It is filled with plenty of Violence though (at least violence towards us insignificant little human beings).
The time in the universe will be much much much much much much longer to the power of quadrillionzillionairebigoil(cant comprehend) after heat death, then b4 hand. Sooooo, for now that might be true.

The Argumentalizer

2011-05-12 03:31:23

My whole view is that it is one thing to discover math and science that describe the Universe around us.
It is another to suggest that science is godlike.

The answer to the questions HOW are important but not nearly as important as WHY.
If String Theory proves the existence of alternate universes and realities, it still does not tell us WHY.

Why does it exist at all?

As for mathematics, there are literally billions of things that mathematics cannot explain, such as why Olivia Munn is so hot and Liberals are idiots.

Va|iums

2011-05-13 00:14:43

The Argumentalizer wrote:My whole view is that it is one thing to discover math and science that describe the Universe around us.
It is another to suggest that science is godlike.

The answer to the questions HOW are important but not nearly as important as WHY.
If String Theory proves the existence of alternate universes and realities, it still does not tell us WHY.

Why does it exist at all?

As for mathematics, there are literally billions of things that mathematics cannot explain, such as why Olivia Munn is so hot and Liberals are idiots.
Actually, science is godlike. One day we can create limbs from mere cells, one day we can stop aging, one day we can produce humans genetically modified exactly how we want them to be. Of course whether all this is allowed to be legal is another question. Science could one day allow to us manipulate space time fabric, and manipulate entire galaxies if we live long enough, it's only a matter of time if we continue to survive when we can monitor, create or destroy other civlizations.

Oh....btw I think mathematics and statistics already have shown liberals tend to be more intelligent along with atheists. Liberal atheists tend to be more intelligent of any spectrum ;)

Viperbird

2011-05-13 01:45:23

Mathmatics also show a decrease in the number of medieval pirates as well as an increase in the sales of iPads. :wink:

Beef

2011-05-15 08:48:20

[EYE] Valar wrote:also...inevitably related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA9cwUN0drc
:twisted:

video is gone. :(