FPS and Refresh Rate : In case I am wrong...

Who is more correct in this convo?:

Wednesday, September 01, 2010
10:52 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: test it
10:52 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: testicles?
10:52 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: maybe later
10:52 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: but no
10:52 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: test it
10:52 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: you know what
10:52 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: test whut
10:52 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: ^
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: if I have to post the link imma get all emo
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: oh em gee
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: do I have to post it?
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: oh mah gawd
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: I has to post it?
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: thats it
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: /wrist
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: there
10:53 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yawah
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: u make me hurt me
10:53 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... f=5&t=5378
10:54 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: test it
10:54 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: / / / /
10:54 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: ooowwwwwwwwwwww
10:54 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: oh that
10:54 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: i skimmed over it the only thing i WAS going to comment on was ur human eye cant see more then 70 frames yada yada
10:54 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: but then im all like, bleh
10:54 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: so i didnt
10:55 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: it's what i was told in a survey undergrad bio class
10:55 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yea i think that failz
10:55 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: thinks that are tought in classrooms often fail
10:55 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: also though i was going to say
10:55 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: even if that is true
10:55 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: u can feel it
10:55 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: ha yes
10:55 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: once it gets below 80 my aim starts to deline badly
10:56 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: exponentially
10:56 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: also they say the huiman eye..in real life generally sees the equivilant of 4000 frames per second
10:56 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: ALSO
10:57 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: if u spin around in game even at 120 hz u can see shot blur n shit because of response times yada yada
10:57 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: if u had a monitor at 300hz with 0,01 response time, u would fucking notice the diff
10:57 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: ie u could spin as fast as u wanted, no blur
10:58 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: at all
10:58 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: that does not really affect aim, aim is perception, but it terms of how smooth a enviroment is, its very valid
10:59 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: nah way man, even going from 60 to 120 to me was quite nice
10:59 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: well yes
10:59 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: I noticed a differece in 60--> 70
10:59 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: 75*
10:59 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: but I dont think I could tell a difference in 75-120
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: at first took some getting used to, thing is at [email protected], someone could be beside/behind, as ur spiinning u could shoot as ur crosshair went by them/over them, because u can see everything so clearly
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yes, yes u can
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: do this
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: in real life
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: eyes forward
11:00 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: ..no
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: do not at any point move them
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: do it inside
11:00 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: no
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: now spin ur head left and right
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: fast
11:00 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: no
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yes
11:00 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: no
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yes
11:00 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: no
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yes
11:00 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: no
11:00 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: u will notice no blur
11:01 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: ...no
11:01 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yes
11:01 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yes
11:01 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: yes
11:02 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: pretty sure you spent too much on ur 120hz alienware
11:02 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: ill prolly still get in in december
11:02 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: got a hacked discount, was decent
11:02 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: and ill get my frined to get a 2ms 75Hz asus
11:02 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: and ill test
11:02 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: I am almost 10000% certain I won't tell a difference
11:03 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: if u dont theres something wrong with u <.<
11:03 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: back in the old days wen i used CRT monitors
11:03 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: says the guy who wants me to spin my head all day
11:03 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: 75hz was horrid
11:03 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: i wouldnt settle for anything less then 85 back then
11:05 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: u especially notice the extra hz with flick shots, fast motion, faster games, but if u dont notice it THEN u will deserve a flame thread
11:05 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: i will create one
11:05 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: ill will just make u pay for my 120hz dell display
11:05 AM - -Ƒaⓘlɀ- þәяƞīcīøμ§: i aint payin for SHIT
11:06 AM - {EE} The New Guy™: we'll see

It really doesnt matter whether your right or wrong here, your new guy and your always wrong even when your right so deal with it.

inb4 newguy posts a paragraph or 4

@Valiums: remember that time I killed all ur young men with my rifles and then gave ur women my semen and smallpox?
Good times.

@Panic: on shit I care about, I try to be as thorough as possible, but right now I could care less.
I try to explain myself as best I can out of respect for my reader ...that and I have a small penis.

I do love Valiums though, and I look forward to us exchanging jello-shots off of our nice flat tummies.
Yes billy, there will be pics, now go back to playing farmville-in-space.

inb4 Chief-Running-Tree-Bear gives us a long history lesson on the ways of his people and the sacred forest/casino.

Yah.

@Valiums: remember that time I killed all ur young men with my rifles and then gave ur women my semen and smallpox?
Good times.

@Panic: on shit I care about, I try to be as thorough as possible, but right now I could care less.
I try to explain myself as best I can out of respect for my reader ...that and I have a small penis.

I do love Valiums though, and I look forward to us exchanging jello-shots off of our nice flat tummies.
Yes billy, there will be pics, now go back to playing farmville-in-space.

Agree, Billy's gonna need some fap material for his shitty new job since he'll be living out of a hotel for the next few years.

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It really doesnt matter whether your right or wrong here, your new guy and your always wrong even when your right so deal with it.

YOU'RE!

HOLY FUCK.

Lol, I know Valiums is very smart and going to law school and all, but I can't stand it when people make these elementary mistakes.

It really doesnt matter whether your right or wrong here, your new guy and your always wrong even when your right so deal with it.

YOU'RE!

HOLY FUCK.

Lol, I know Valiums is very smart and going to law school and all, but I can't stand it when people make these elementary mistakes.

LMAO jesus, I write 10 page papers like every week all semester long, I really *DON'T* (made sure to have correct grammer there for you fuckers) feel like checking my grammer on forums.

YOU'RE!

HOLY FUCK.

Lol, I know Valiums is very smart and going to law school and all, but I can't stand it when people make these elementary mistakes.

LMAO jesus, I write 10 page papers like every week all semester long, I really *DON'T* (made sure to have correct grammer there for you fuckers) feel like checking my grammer on forums.

GRAMMAR!

HOLY FUCK.

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Lol I admit I failed pretty hard right there, I was contemplating saying TROLLED but knew it wouldn't fly so I admit grammar defeat.












































































BRB creating spellcheck app for HL2DMU.

BRB creating spellcheck app for HL2DMU.

Use Chrome.

Someone google this fucking question already, I am far to lazy.

Someone google this fucking question already, I am far to lazy.

When expressing a excess amount of a characteristic you use the word "too", not "to".




MOTHERFUCKER!

Thing about spell checkers is they do not detect bad grammar.

Someone google this fucking question already, I am far to lazy.

When expressing a excess amount of a characteristic you use the word "too", not "to".




MOTHERFUCKER!

an excess amount ... "too," not "to."

MOTHER FUCK!

Someone google this fucking question already, I am far to lazy.

When expressing a excess amount of a characteristic you use the word "too", not "to".




MOTHERFUCKER!

an excess amount ... "too," not "to."

MOTHER FUCK!

It's "An" with a capital "A" not "a" when beginning a sentence. Man the ships captain, grammar police are going in and aren't coming out until the job is done. We're gonna save this fucking planet, one nerd thread at a time.

It's "An," with a capital "A," not "a," when beginning a sentence.

COMMAS!

FUCK!

It's "An," with a capital "A," not "a," when beginning a sentence.

COMMAS!

FUCK!

When quoting, use the comma after the quotation mark ends, not within it.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/ ... tation.htm

"In the United States, periods and commas go inside quotation marks regardless of logic."

Dipshit.

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/ ... tation.htm

"In the United States, periods and commas go inside quotation marks regardless of logic."

Dipshit.

So you were quoting individual parts of my sentence instead of quoting the entire sentence? Way to not quote properly fucker.

I rewrote your entire sentence using commas (properly) and did not use the quote function or quotation marks to show I was quoting it. GOD DAMN!

I rewrote your entire sentence using commas (properly) and did not use the quote function or quotation marks to show I was quoting it. GOD DAMN!

Proper quote citation next time please. Quoting individual parts of a sentence and not crediting to whom the quote originates from is a grammar violation.

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I really hate to repeat myself but, threads started by grain...well.. yea.

omg its the grammar police, fail.

Despite the vulgarities I actually learned something from this thread.

Wait so let me get this straight, grammar police operate near a body of water? I thought they were thalassophobic...

pernicious is right, i use a refresh rate of 150hz

Wait so let me get this straight, grammar police operate near a body of water? I thought they were thalassophobic...

The grammar police are pervasive and omniscient, don't fuck around or they'll get you. They are in fact everywhere, watching ur spellingz, eating ur foodz.

Wait so let me get this straight, grammar police operate near a body of water? I thought they were thalassophobic...

Well since thalassophobia is fear of the sea, maybe they are near a big freshwater lake?

Wait so let me get this straight, grammar police operate near a body of water? I thought they were thalassophobic...

Well since thalassophobia is fear of the sea, maybe they are near a big freshwater lake?

Then Valium would be referring to a pseudo captain, Just my opinion.

The grammar police are pervasive and omniscient, don't fuck around or they'll get you. They are in fact everywhere, watching ur spellingz, eating ur foodz.

It should read, "The grammar police are pervasive and omniscient; don't fuck around or they'll get you," because these are two distinct clauses that share the same general idea. Either a period or a semicolon would properly delineate them.

Semicolons, motherfucker - do you use them?

Also, Valiums claims that he wants to go to law school. More like lawl school, am I right?

Get some MLA style up in this bitch.

STFU

AHOY M8TY!

THE ORIGINALLY QUESTION OF THE THREAD HERE AN ANSWERED

YOUR WILL NOT A DIFFERENCE NOTICED!



-YOURS TRUELEY BRIGGS

It would be nice if someone - anyone - put up some proof or evidence to support either side of this argument.

And I mean on FPS and refresh rate, not all this fucking grammar garble.

alex, I hate you so fucking much.

No i don't <3.

The brain doesn't work in frames per second, their are a dozen other factors that play into it.

The only thing I can think of is that if your only running at say, 30 fps, then the response time before you see you're mouse move is up to 33 ms which is definitely noticeable, especially if you aren't used to it.

source
interesting article

Basically, if that article is correct then if your playing with low resolution, high anti-aliasing, and motion blur on, you could have a much lower refresh rate and still feel smooth.

Damn, I'm in tears from all the laughter of this thread on proper grammar and spelling!! Totally made my day.

As for the original question, I can only say I have witnessed the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz and yes, there is less blur with the 120Hz model.

It really doesnt matter whether your right or wrong here, your new guy and your always wrong even when your right so deal with it.

YOU'RE!

HOLY FUCK.

BTW, this is what got me rolling!!

Don't you talk to me about grammar.

[youtube]v=7ABQ_FSMvus[/youtube]

Don't you talk to me about grammar.


Link

I BEAT YOU TO IT HOLY

ty cheese.

And I am not questioning the performance leap to 120Hz, but if what my Bio professor said was true then the max you would need is 75Hz which a more conventional LCD display can do for a much cheaper price.

Since I am a douche-bag that did spend nearly 2k on a PC I will probably wait for some holiday sale and compound that w/ some coupon hack and get the Alienware 120Hz. Just to be sure.
However it would be nice to really know what is the smoothest/best/comfortable video display we can truly see.

And what about those baseball players? I asked the same shit to my professor years ago; I spoke about how they can see the spin on the ball and have about 20/10 vision or better (with regards to the *good* hitters that is) in both eyes, and surely they can detect and enjoy better video qualities then us normies. They can probably see exponentially more than a four-eye'd fag like billy when it comes to enjoying digital displays and such. ur such a fag tim.

fag.

But yah, billy's gay.

faggot.

Sorry, had to fap to some pics of that fag timmy.

Anyways I asked the professor about that shit and he said it may be "plausible" that a well-eyed baseball player could detect the difference between say "85 and 75" but most of us can only really see a improvement up to 70 or so.

He very well could be retarded.

EDIT: I myself, on my old CRT in 2004, noticed a HUGE difference between 60Hz and 75Hz.

I see a clear difference between 100hz and 150hz in hl2dm (tested at a stable 300fps). The difference would probably be less noticable, or have less of an effect, if any, on gameplay in a genre that didnt require snap 180s and pinpoint aim (rts, mmo etc).

And ya, he could very well be retarded. Academics are great at claiming things based on theory or inconclusive tests yet being unable to offer any semblance of hard proof.

the thing with baseball is that the eyes can be trained, as well as muscle memory and mental apptitude.

think of hitting or playing catch in a room with a strobe light. also patterns can be drawn on a ball so that fastball, curve, slider present a different pattern as it approaches the batter. it actually trains both the pitcher and the batter. the pitcher learns the most effective spin for the particular pitch, and the batter learns to concentrate on the ball rotation.

corrected vision can be just as good as non-corrected for baseball. just because i can pick up the hand motion of the pitcher, and the rotation of the ball, doesnt a pro make. the pro still needs to be able to watch the ball motion until the last possible second before making the complex decision to swing and how to swing.

reflexes... thats the key.

The brain doesn't work in frames per second, their are a dozen other factors that play into it.

Yea, i said equivalent, thing is light will bounce around off every surface into ur eyes so many times per second, that being said u dont see in frames, just wenever it bounces up into ur fagy eyeball.

I agree with Pern, been over this many times in the past.

If you are getting 300 fps from the video card and the display is 60 hz, 75 ect, your are only displaying 60-75 fps as the monitor can only produce one frame per hertz cycle.

In regards to what the human eye can actually see, its a common myth that the human eye can only distinguish the difference between 0 and 60 or 80 (depending where its coming from) fps. Yes even bio professors can believe in myths.

My own personal experience on a monitor that can run up to 150 hz, there is a noticeable difference between 60 hz and 120. In fact I'd say its a huge difference to me, can't stand to play on anything at less than 120 hz.

To sum up the thread:
I was wrong.
Grain is a cutie-pie.
I should stop being lazy and do research on all shit even after being given information from a "reputable" source.

ASUS has made a new 120Hz display, but the Dell alienware Pern purchased has been getting stellar reviews.
Guess I'll get that shit.

W/E, different topic for a different thread; another thread that shows how newguy is a lazy fucktard who wont go out and get answers to his own questions.

W/E, different topic for a different thread; another thread that shows how newguy is a lazy fucktard who wont go out and get answers to his own questions.

Thread provided for some lols though so its all good

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... f=6&t=4765

You are wrong

I had a physiology professor tell me that the human eye cannot see more than 15 fps. I do not think anyone here would support that. Just look at the method used to determine the number and shoot holes in it.

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_c ... ns_see.htm

interesting article

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_c ... ns_see.htm

Newguy won this topic with the chief running tree bear post like three pages ago.


What are you all still doing here.

Fuck.

Newguy won this topic with the chief running tree bear post like three pages ago.


What are you all still doing here.

Fuck.

Party foul.

The rules of the game are pretty clear, and one of the golden rules is newguy doesnt win anything. He's an unnatractive overly social annoying bisexual whose had sex with a black man before. You yourself need to go back to moving shit and doing heroin injections inbetween each box you lift.


but I still <3 you paneek

unnatractive.

lol spelling fail

@ Fearsome, your professor is definately wrong. 15 FPS is absolutely noticable. Ive read somewhere that the human eye couldnt notice differences in anything above 60 FPS but I cant verify or deny that.

unnatractive.

lol spelling fail


noticable

At least don't fail while correcting fail

Ya that is my point. We can all say for sure the limit is somewhere higher than 15 yet university professors are claiming we cannot. It all depends on how the person determines the speed an eye can see, that particular professor based his claim on tests done on a single cell which did not account for the fact the brain may be able to accept signals from thousands of cells at slightly different times asynchronously to construct a smooth image.

I figure that when trying to give yourself the ideal hardware you should just go as high as you can sustainably afford while keeping a system balanced ( read that carefully). Then you know that A. few people out there will have a significant advantage over you, and B. if you can react or see more than the dogma claims you have access to that or C. humans may be able to learn to deal with more even if they lack the skill by default. You probably do not have the quality of hearing a blind person has but you do have the ability to train yourself to have that hearing. If you never have hardware that can display 120 hz your eyes will never learn to see and your brain to react to data that fast. But if you have it maybe you can learn to use it.

However like I said keep it balanced if you have a garbage computer that only gets 15 fps not much point in a 120 hz monitor. If you cannot afford something more get a job and skip the monitor.

. If you never have hardware that can display 120 hz your eyes will never learn to see and your brain to react to data that fast. But if you have it maybe you can learn to use it.

This pretty much sums it all up right here.

unnatractive.

lol spelling fail


noticable

At least don't fail while correcting fail

lewl spelling and grammar is harrd.

unnatractive.

lol spelling fail

...professor is definately wrong.

definately

Definitely not how you spell it.

To sum up the thread:
I was wrong.
Grain is a cutie-pie.
I should stop being lazy and do research on all shit even after being given information from a "reputable" source.

(*3 days later*)

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... f=6&t=4765

You are wrong

I had a physiology professor tell me that the human eye cannot see more than 15 fps. I do not think anyone here would support that. Just look at the method used to determine the number and shoot holes in it.

Look-out.
Captain Redundancy has made his comeback.

Good to have you back, Rudy. You may call be Steve or "stfu faggot" like everyone else does.

@everyone else: Jesus-fuck-tits Negro-Muffin => Why do soooo many people NOT use Firefox/Chrome?
Jee-bus.