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The Argumentalizer

2010-09-18 10:15:32

So, the dude was injured and suffering amnesia. Weeks go by and he is hunted by the CIA. He dyes the girls hair. They want disguises.

SO, how the fuck is he clean shaven after weeks of running from whatever!?!?!
Weeks later, without a razor anywhere, Jason Bourne is a clean shaven Matt Damon Fratboy faggot with a clean face!?!?!

WTF!
Did anyone read the book and see a wimpy Damon, with his short little stub arms as David Webb/Bourne!?!?

And they took Adabezi from OZ and further fuck up the story!

See, this is a case for reading the book.
Its AWESOME!

Va|iums

2010-09-18 10:31:10

The Argumentalizer wrote:See, this is a case for reading the book.
Its AWESOME!

This statement brought tears to my eyes.....what a truly beautiful day that YOU would say something like this. Every movie you have ever seen with the exception of a few is better in book form.

The Argumentalizer

2010-09-18 10:34:04

Thats so fucking true

Including S.King

I'll even pass along this:

Starship Troopers: I wrote a screenplay for this book in 1982.
I shopped it.
Nothing.

Sten- the greatest Sci-Fi series, Would be just the fucking AWESOME StarWars beater in the theater.
Chris Bunch and Allan Cole.
I shopped a screenplay.
Nothing.

I am Legion: I wrote an adaptation based on the book, where the survivor preyed on the zombies.
A Vampire story in reverse, like the book.
Nothing.

The Argumentalizer

2010-09-18 10:56:58

In fact, the STEN series is the greatest potential Cinema experience ever.
I am working on a Revelations book, probably a trilogy (or 3 1/2) , that is truly scary.
A horror novel
As it should be.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-09-18 16:59:35

lol, i love when your non medicated alter ego comes out to play!!!!

keefy

2010-09-18 17:46:46

The laws of reality cease to exist in Hollywood example Hollywood ammo = unlimited ammo no reloads and Hollywood tyres that squeel even on sand and snow and ice.

Sacrifist

2010-09-18 19:51:42

I think they should remake all the movies that are 20 to 30 years old. Oh wait......

The Argumentalizer

2010-09-18 21:55:06

There have been some ridiculous adaptations.

Starship Troopers. The book starts with a gritty infantry assault with jump suits, bounding over buildings, destroying the city center of the enemy. What better start for movie!?!? It WOULD have been awesome. But no.
Rather than a dirty gritty violent tale of Infantry, we get fresh faced Nickelodeon jerks and a sappy love triangle.
And the whole Civics side, that made the book controversial, nowhere to be found.
What a poiece of crap this.

Bourne Identity: Jeeez. Where was the book? Bourne is NOT Bourne. He is David Webb, a Vietnam Special Forces agent trained by the CIA to lure Carlos the Jackal out. He is not really an assassin. Rather than spend time developing the plot, they develop fancy bogus silly CIA black Ops, with instant access to any database and real-time access to street cameras, and a phony plot with Adibezi from OZ, which screws everything up when he is involved.
They then make the same exact non-story-no-plot hit two more times.

I Am Legend: Is anyone aware that the crux of the book is that the sole survivor is actually the Vampire preying on mankind, who have all become vampires? A reverse vampire story. Where the hell was that!?!? I actually enjoyed this one though.

Dune. Visually stunning, minus the cheap special effects. I felt sorry for any folks who didn't read the books.
I imagine every one of them were all like "WTF is happening!?!" Who are these witches? Why are they manipulating genetics!?!
Why is Sting in this!?! Why is it raining at the end!?!?! Huhhhhhh.

Any Bond Movie after Thunderball except Casino Royale, which is tight, realistic, and captures the book. The rest of them are mostly so ridiculous... and Roger Moore!?!?! Timothy Dalton!?!? WTH!

The Road. Did anyone read the book? Why does he continue to treat his son like a little girl and act like everything will be ok?
Why does he leave the bomb shelter and all that food and protection!?
And the Hollywood end!? Awful.

Two series i believe could achieve huge success if done right are Necroscope and the Sten series by Chris Bunch and Allen Cole.
I urge anyone who likes to read to get Sten. He is awesome and there are many dirty tricks and lots of action.
Amazing reads.

Necroscope could scare the pants off the world.

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0

2010-09-18 22:02:43

In regards to Dune are you referring to the movie or the miniseries?

Because the miniseries is incredibly good

The Argumentalizer

2010-09-18 23:14:15

The Movie, which looks correct, for the most part, but is a mess
The series is ok. It looks pretty cheap though.
It is pretty close to the book series, which are monumental.

Another huge failure that hits close to my heart is The Spirit.
I had all the illustrated Spirit magazines when i was a kid.
Will Eisner's artwork was astounding and the stories were tight and dark.
The movie is an incredible mess. Horrible.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-09-19 00:30:45

starship toopers and dune are awesome movies, maybe the books were better, thats usually the case, no surprise. I read a lot of Stephen King books, The Stand was really bad compared to the book, so was It. but a lot of SK's books just cant translate into movies...i really like the Shining(movie), but i have to admit i never made it all the way thru the book, cant remeber why, so im not sure if its better. I think the Dark Tower series would be a great movie

The Argumentalizer

2010-09-19 01:30:49

It is really hard to translate the creeping dread and building impending doom of something like Pet Sematary.
King has had some pretty good adaptations though. Dead Zone, Carrie, Misery, Dolores Claiborne, and the Green Mile were good movies.
The original Salem's Lot was fantastic and creepy.
The Shawshank Redemption is a masterpiece.
Some others were not so good and the Stand was awful.
I never thought the Shining was really that good. Maybe Jack makes that movie.

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2010-09-19 03:14:26

Hollywood is shoveling out garbage at a record rate, I even hear kids saying "they should make another robocop!" they fuel this fire.

Nutri-Grain

2010-09-19 05:26:36

The Argumentalizer wrote:The Shawshank Redemption is a masterpiece.

Amen.

Va|iums

2010-09-19 06:02:05

The Argumentalizer wrote:
The Road. Did anyone read the book? Why does he continue to treat his son like a little girl and act like everything will be ok?
Why does he leave the bomb shelter and all that food and protection!?
And the Hollywood end!? Awful.

The Road is a star case of a HORRIBLE movie made from a genius book, from a genius author. Cormac McCarthy who wrote it is one of very few living legends of American authors we have left, and the only movie that did 1/2 of justice to his immense writing skills was No Country for Old Men, but even there the movie cuts out most of his genius.

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0

2010-09-19 07:25:11

Nutri-Grain wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:The Shawshank Redemption is a masterpiece.
Amen.

Ko-Tao

2010-09-19 08:12:17

Ghost Dog_TSGK wrote:Hollywood is shoveling out garbage at a record rate...

Same with the gaming industry.

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2010-09-19 09:20:40

Confirmed

keefy

2010-09-19 13:15:53

I quite liked Starship troopers imply for its over the top cheeseyness.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-09-19 17:41:48

The Argumentalizer wrote:It is really hard to translate the creeping dread and building impending doom of something like Pet Sematary.
King has had some pretty good adaptations though. Dead Zone, Carrie, Misery, Dolores Claiborne, and the Green Mile were good movies.
The original Salem's Lot was fantastic and creepy.
The Shawshank Redemption is a masterpiece.
Some others were not so good and the Stand was awful.
I never thought the Shining was really that good. Maybe Jack makes that movie.

jack does make that movie, hands down. and i think the rest of this post is spot on.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-09-19 17:47:31

keefy wrote:I quite liked Starship troopers imply for its over the top cheeseyness.

ya, thats why it was so good. would you like to know more? ok, speaking of cheesy masterpieces.......1-Army of Darkness. 2-Shaun of the Dead. done. both are perfection, you cant not like these, you cant. sorry.

Va|iums

2010-09-19 21:35:21

newfags dont know bout' Army of Darkness. Best.Movie.Ever

The Argumentalizer

2010-09-19 21:41:49

The remake of Dawn of the Dead is better than the orig. and one of the best horror movies ever.
Great job on that one.
Horror is one sector in film that has so many truly bad films.

Paradox

2010-09-19 23:55:08

Yeah Horror and SciFi both have lots of bad films.

The movie is either OMG EPIC or WTF LAME.

s0iz

2010-10-05 14:53:38

Hollywood tends to do that with most of its movies. They produce what it sells. What gets in my nerve is that people actually feeds this crappy-movie-tendency by buying them. Although I think the Bourne Trilogy is pretty awesome and realistic.

badinfluence

2010-10-07 15:09:11

Holy fuck. You serious?

@ Impala, stop putting real life into movies. It's like saying you can't shoot pick up toilets off the wall, so why should you be able to do it in hl2dm? It's one of my biggest pet peeves when someone tries to put real life logic into something that is obviously not real life.

provost

2010-10-07 17:17:03

The Story of Ricky.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8888674336#

Enjoy

REJECTED

2010-10-07 20:29:56

Wow, I actually enjoyed that. Thanks Con.

Pernicious

2010-10-07 20:32:56

The Argumentalizer wrote:The remake of Dawn of the Dead is better than the orig. and one of the best horror movies ever.
Great job on that one.
Horror is one sector in film that has so many truly bad films.

OMG for once i agree with u, that is actually my favourate movie ever.

And also if u like zombies there is a tv series coming out this month called The walking dead, its looking to be epic.

two snails

2010-10-08 00:22:54

Pernicious wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:The remake of Dawn of the Dead is better than the orig. and one of the best horror movies ever.
Great job on that one.
Horror is one sector in film that has so many truly bad films.
OMG for once i agree with u, that is actually my favourate movie ever.

And also if u like zombies there is a tv series coming out this month called The walking dead, its looking to be epic.

nah, the original is better. while the new version is very good, it didn't have all the dark humor that was present in the original.

the only remake I can think of that is better than the original is the invasion of the body snatchers that came out in '78(I think) with Donald sutherland and Leonard nimoy.

The Argumentalizer

2010-10-08 07:11:39

There isn't any dark humor in the original.
And the zombies look like they have green makeup on.
And it's cheap looking.
The acting is bad.
The script isn't great.

The remake definitely is a far superior movie.

The Bourne movies suck ass.
They are not even a mote compared to the first two books.
And all three are the same bogus mechanical who cares who lives boring characters/superhuman agent unbelievable crap.
The same stupid movie 3 times.

Movies better than the book:
Dog Day Afternoon
The Godfather
Last of the Mohicans.
The Exorcist
The Hunt for Red October
Apt Pupil (Short)
The Shawshank Redemption.

two snails

2010-10-08 07:51:05

The Argumentalizer wrote:There isn't any dark humor in the original.
And the zombies look like they have green makeup on.
And it's cheap looking.
The acting is bad.
The script isn't great.

The remake definitely is a far superior movie.
.

maybe you haven't seen the original in a while. it's hilarious. and of course it looks cheap with green makeup. it's called low budget. thats what makes it good.

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0

2010-10-08 08:32:12

two snails wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:There isn't any dark humor in the original.
And the zombies look like they have green makeup on.
And it's cheap looking.
The acting is bad.
The script isn't great.

The remake definitely is a far superior movie.
.
maybe you haven't seen the original in a while. it's hilarious. and of course it looks cheap with green makeup. it's called low budget. thats what makes it 'good.'

Fix'd it for ya. I get where you're coming from but cheap and cheesy can't alone justify the greatness of a movie.

..Unless you're the worst sci fi movie EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF FILM. Then there is no hope.

two snails

2010-10-08 09:21:38

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0 wrote:
two snails wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:There isn't any dark humor in the original.
And the zombies look like they have green makeup on.
And it's cheap looking.
The acting is bad.
The script isn't great.

The remake definitely is a far superior movie.
.
maybe you haven't seen the original in a while. it's hilarious. and of course it looks cheap with green makeup. it's called low budget. thats what makes it 'good.'
Fix'd it for ya. I get where you're coming from but cheap and cheesy can't alone justify the greatness of a movie.

..Unless you're the worst sci fi movie EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF FILM. Then there is no hope.

it can justify greatness when the film in particular is pioneering an entire genre. do you think that if they remade the evil dead trilogy with awesome cgi effects and whatnot, it would be better than the originals? no. because thats what makes them good. they are campy. they are over the top cheesy. they are actually scary.

The Argumentalizer

2010-10-08 21:04:34

When Dawn came out, nobody said it was a fantastic movie. There was a lot of talk about the helicopter incident and the gang hacking zombies and snickers at the gore. The original Night of the... is a better movie in my opinion.
Romero released a much longer cut that is even tedious.
What is memorable is the MALL.

The remake takes off like a bat out of hell and hardly slows down.
The husband turning.
The neighborhood sequence is pretty horrifying.
The woman in the wheel barrow!?
The birth scene.
The conflict with CJ.
The drive out.
The end.
That movie is full of awesome stuff, far better than the original.

Paradox

2010-10-09 19:47:28

Yea I liked the movie "I am Legend" as well. I know the book had vampires in it but Im really glad they didnt make the movie with them. Would have ruined it IMO.

I also liked the movies "The Postman" and "The Island".

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0

2010-10-09 21:15:17

Paradox wrote:Yea I liked the movie "I am Legend" as well. I know the book had vampires in it but Im really glad they didnt make the movie with them. Would have ruined it IMO.

I also liked the movies "The Postman" and "The Island".

I have to disagree o this one.

One of the best things about I Am Legend is how solitary he was and the only sort of conversation was with one of the vampires, even if the vampire just constantly mocked him. I was kinda upset how they randomly introduced a couple of new characters.

Personally The Omega Man was a better adaptation of that book.