2012 - HL2DMU Forum Archive

Heart1ess

2011-12-01 10:57:38

I'm Canadian and i know more about politics in the U.S. then i do my own Country. Probably because we are the abused wife in the marriage. With that being said I only see Obama winning in 2012. Ron Paul will not be able to influence enough people for real change. Rick Perry with that debate mess-up and Herman Cain with the sexual abuse will turn off many. Mitt Romney that polygamy piece of shit doesn't have a chance and everyone else are one in the same.

There isn't a doubt in my mind you Americans will continue in believing in the system and looking up to Obama to change it. Maybe not all of you here, but the majority will vote for Obama once again for 2012.

Panic

2011-12-01 12:59:33

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dbanimal

2011-12-01 22:46:35

I'd have to agree with Heart1ess, the candidates are...ummm...pathetic?...laughable?...I don't even know how to describe them but they terrify me nonetheless. Looks like Obama could very well get a second win.

provost

2011-12-02 02:41:58

Politic thread and impala's nowhere to be found?

wtf is going on.

Va|iums

2011-12-02 03:01:46

Charles wrote:I'm very ignorant and don't keep up with politics. Are there no other good candidates? Was Obama uberhated and then recently superloved (like after Osama being caught) or something?

Allow me to summarize in pictures why Obama will win, I present to you the current GOP field;

Rick "Vote for me when you turn 21" Perry

Ron "Get Rid of the Federal Reserve" Paul

Michele "Batshit Crazy" Bachmann

Newt "Not sure If I was a lobbyist" Gingrich

Mitt "Mr. Charisma" Robotmney

Herman "The Godfather of Pizza" Cain

Jon Huntswhatever is his name is... forgive me this isn't his actual pictures but his daughters since they were on my mind instead

and last but not least Rick "The Casual Racist" Santorum, too lazy to even get a picture.

Any questions as to why Obama will win now?

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2011-12-02 04:03:25

Consecutive victory is imminent.

Sacrifist

2011-12-02 05:43:56

If Newt gets the nod then he could possibly defeat Obama, but it's gonna be tough to do. Newt should kill Obama in all debates. I think Ron Paul could too, but he will never win the GOP nomination. It's really to bad too because Obama has been terrible.

Va|iums

2011-12-02 05:59:34

Sacrifist wrote:If Newt gets the nod then he could possibly defeat Obama, but it's gonna be tough to do. Newt should kill Obama in all debates. I think Ron Paul could too, but he will never win the GOP nomination. It's really to bad too because Obama has been terrible.

Health Care - Check (pending the S. Court)
Iraq - Check
Libya - Check
Afghanistan - Pending
Repealing most of Bush's environmentally damaging executive orders - check
Repealing alot of other Bushs's executive orders - check
Military Gay rights - check
End Torture Policy - check
Gitmo - Fail (don't care anymore really though)

158:54 promises upheld to broken promises ratio and he's only in his first term. To say he's a terrible president is wrong, he's just not exactly an electrifying president. I would say he's a methodical, kind of boring center left president.

Constipator

2011-12-02 06:20:28

Va|iums wrote:he's just not exactly an electrifying president

How about we nominate the most electrifying man in sports entertainment?

Va|iums

2011-12-02 06:24:33

Constipator wrote:
Va|iums wrote:he's just not exactly an electrifying president
How about we nominate the most electrifying man in sports entertainment?

I was thinking more of Jon Huntsman's daughters in 2012 but the Rock will do.

EDit; on second thought fuck that, daughters '12

Pernicious

2011-12-02 07:01:46

Sacrifist wrote:If Newt gets the nod then he could possibly defeat Obama, but it's gonna be tough to do. Newt should kill Obama in all debates. I think Ron Paul could too, but he will never win the GOP nomination. It's really to bad too because Obama has been terrible.

lolwut, neither have the intelligence needed. Also Obama could easily bring up the fact that republicans filibuster everything he tries to push. Unfortunatly Obama is knee deep in the money also.

Sacrifist

2011-12-02 07:59:53

Pernicious wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:If Newt gets the nod then he could possibly defeat Obama, but it's gonna be tough to do. Newt should kill Obama in all debates. I think Ron Paul could too, but he will never win the GOP nomination. It's really to bad too because Obama has been terrible.

lolwut, neither have the intelligence needed. Also Obama could easily bring up the fact that republicans filibuster everything he tries to push. Unfortunatly Obama is knee deep in the money also.

They filibuster everything because he is a spending nutcase and they are all douchebags. I really wish Christie would of ran, but he is to smart (which is why he didnt run and get involved in the giant clusterfuck that is currently our government).

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-02 10:53:17

Obama will lose badly. He doesn't deserve to be re-elected.

Nothing is fixed, no spending cuts, Pelosicare has lead to millions of policies dropped and higher prices...

The gubbmint has spent 5 TRILLION more than it took in in 3 years of Obama!

Obama has been on his world tour doing his leader impersonation.
He is an ignorant ass like all lefties.

He will lose to Gingrich, who will really piss off the leftist/Marxist loons like Valiums.

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-02 10:56:43

Pernicious: "Also Obama could easily bring up the fact that republicans filibuster everything he tries to push."

Really?! Name three filibusters pulled by the GOP.
Name them.

It would be nice if folks knew what the hell they were talking about instead of smoking blunts and boxing Roos in the Outback.

Pernicious

2011-12-02 11:06:14

Sacrifist wrote:
Pernicious wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:If Newt gets the nod then he could possibly defeat Obama, but it's gonna be tough to do. Newt should kill Obama in all debates. I think Ron Paul could too, but he will never win the GOP nomination. It's really to bad too because Obama has been terrible.

lolwut, neither have the intelligence needed. Also Obama could easily bring up the fact that republicans filibuster everything he tries to push. Unfortunatly Obama is knee deep in the money also.
They filibuster everything because he is a spending nutcase and they are all douchebags. I really wish Christie would of ran, but he is to smart (which is why he didnt run and get involved in the giant clusterfuck that is currently our government).

lulwut, the things he is pushing are mostly republican ideas.

Pernicious

2011-12-02 11:14:33

The Argumentalizer wrote:Pernicious: "Also Obama could easily bring up the fact that republicans filibuster everything he tries to push."

Really?! Name three filibusters pulled by the GOP.
Name them.

It would be nice if folks knew what the hell they were talking about instead of smoking blunts and boxing Roos in the Outback.

I obviously meant republican senators, fag. I meant in a debate where republicans would question his actions an lack there of. Obama could easily swing it back round to say its republicans fault.

Pernicious

2011-12-02 15:27:13

Sacrifist wrote:If Newt gets the nod then he could possibly defeat Obama.

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CellarDweller

2011-12-02 19:38:39

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CellarDweller

2011-12-02 19:54:54

lets see, there's the solyndra and gunwalker scandals. just the tip of iceberg imho.

how long has it been since congress passed a budget? over 900 days? since april 29, 2009??? right, right?

who controlled both the house and senate in 2010? democrats. why no budget? cant blame the republicans for that now, can we?

here in 2011 it MUST be the republicans fault, right? they control the house now! damn those republicans. OOPS. the house DID pass a budget. the senate, still in control of the democrats, rejected the house budget bill. and offered up their own senate version for debate? NOPE. notta. bubkis.

how bout the O's budget? the democratic controlled house AND senate not approve of the "ONES" very own budget in 2010? the democrat controlled senate not approve of the "ONES" 2011 budget?

im starting to think the republicans could nominate a monkey for 2012.

still a long way to go, but i think obama loses big.

Va|iums

2011-12-02 22:39:31

Ah good finally a little heat in here.

You know the president has almost zero effect on the economy with a few notable exceptions (TARP, FDR, artificially floating grain/sugar cane) but you're more then welcome to repost all those economic graphs 10 months from now when election time rolls up considering the economy is recovering as we speak.

Heart1ess

2011-12-02 23:30:03

The Argumentalizer wrote:Obama will lose badly. He doesn't deserve to be re-elected.

Nothing is fixed, no spending cuts, Pelosicare has lead to millions of policies dropped and higher prices...

The gubbmint has spent 5 TRILLION more than it took in in 3 years of Obama!

Obama has been on his world tour doing his leader impersonation.
He is an ignorant ass like all lefties.

He will lose to Gingrich, who will really piss off the leftist/Marxist loons like Valiums.

I hope you're joking about Gingrich..... If you're serious....a reality check may be imminent. The political stage is all a big script. All these candidates are nothing but a sideshow. Obama is the favorite of the elite because he has the power of influence. Obama doesn't go against the grain so why replace him??

I'm going to go as far as saying that i will add a signature to my hl2dm-university handle saying "I'm unworthy of impalas political knowledge" if Gingrich or ANY other candidate wins, thats how certain i am. You claim you know all these facts about politics but you're far from the truth of whats going on. Wake up you sad sad old man.

Va|iums

2011-12-02 23:44:26

Heart1ess wrote: I'm going to go as far as saying that i will add a signature to my hl2dm-university handle saying "I'm unworthy of impalas political knowledge" if Gingrich or ANY other candidate wins, thats how certain i am. You claim you know all these facts about politics but you're far from the truth of whats going on. You know shit from fuck about how the world works. Wake up you sad sad old man.

I'll take it a step further, if Obama loses in 2012 (being assasinated doesn't count) the admins can change my name ImpalaIsMyPoliticalMaster.

Nutri-Grain

2011-12-03 00:47:32

CellarDweller

2011-12-03 00:48:23

i dont think the website will be around that long.

Sacrifist

2011-12-03 01:00:28

Va|iums wrote:Ah good finally a little heat in here.

You know the president has almost zero effect on the economy with a few notable exceptions (TARP, FDR, artificially floating grain/sugar cane) but you're more then welcome to repost all those economic graphs 10 months from now when election time rolls up considering the economy is recovering as we speak.

The President has a very large effect on the economy in my opinion. It's not an effect you can really track though. It's about perception and attitude. People need to feel like they are being treated properly and that everything is going to be ok for them. It's what a leader does imo. Some have it, some dont. The last 2 did not have it. None of the current GOP noms have it either. We are fucked either way. Last 2 to have the "IT" factor, was Clinton and Reagan. Regardless of their politics, people backed them because they made people feel good about themselves.

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-03 01:37:14

I think a few folks around here have been following politics for maybe 900 days or so.

Frankly, Gingrich may be exactly the guy we need in the WH.
Combative, able to gather folks in his party and get stuff done, like repealing everything Obama pooted on the country.

Hope and Change is over. We are not going to become fucking GREECE.
The Left is a massive failure. From the push into Subprime Fannie and Freddie, to not passing a BUDGET in 3 years, to disregard for the Federal Laws to fix Medicare, to massive deficits, it's time for a real change, like:

Tax Reform
Spending and department cuts
Fixing Social Security
Cutting away layers of redundant nonsense gubbmint.

Newt is, unlike Obama, smart and versed in History. He knows how DC works.
Nobody is hot for Romney and Obama is a lame duck.

Obama, the nobody from nowhere Community agitator was part of the greatest most successful Madison Ave. Advertising campaign in History. Folks bought into Hope and Change. They had Bush fatigue. They wanted a fresh face and McCain was a horrible candidate. That is now history.

Truth is, Obama is not a leader of anything. Porkulus, Policy...was all delegated to Pelosi and Reid. Obama doesn't talk to anybody, not even our allies! It is documented he has no relationships with Congress. He is a horrible Prez, far worse than Bush.
At least the wheels weren't falling off the cart during his term.

3 fricking years of 14 million out of work! 5 TRILLION in debt in 3 years!!
Why would anyone vote for Obama?

Honestly, if you think Gingrich is unelectable, i have one word for you: NIXON.

Uncle Rico

2011-12-03 01:50:15

None of this matters. It's the end of the world in '12. Everybody knows that. Sheesh.

Link

Va|iums

2011-12-03 01:56:15

Newt Gingrich, the guy who when quizzed about the stack of books he carried around congress to look smart admitted he didn't most of them, the guy who for all intents and purposes was a health care lobbyist.

Newt Gingrich.

Newt

Gingrich

lol

You know the republicans are fucked when they're down to Gingrich and Romney as the saviors of the republican party. I almost feel bad for you guys, *almost*

Heart1ess

2011-12-03 02:02:29

The thing that seperates you idiots and myself... is the fact that you guys still have faith in political leaders and the system. The fact you guys keep supporting a republican or democrat candidate is beyond me. How much corruption do you guys need to see?

Va|iums

2011-12-03 02:05:58

Heart1ess wrote:The thing that seperates you fucking idiots and myself... is the fact that you guys still have faith in political leaders and the system. The fact you guys keep supporting a republican or democrat candidate is beyond me. How much corruption do you guys need to see?

Why is it mysterious, you do realize you're living in a country with one of the worlds only minority governments with a broadly unpopular leader and party. How much corruption does it take for a Canuck to reach breaking point?

Seems to be the same as an American.

Heart1ess

2011-12-03 02:08:35

I hate canadian politics. I hate that stupid prick Steven Harper. We are corrupt, same as every other Country out there.

phantom

2011-12-03 03:07:04

why so mad

Heart1ess

2011-12-03 03:21:43

Ko-Tao

2011-12-03 04:30:56

Uncle Rico wrote:None of this matters. It's the end of the world in '12. Everybody knows that. Sheesh.

Its all part of the

Master Plan.

Pernicious

2011-12-03 04:32:50

wow, really, Newt?
Impala?
Really?

The most corrupt of them all.
And he is your guy.

wow.

WOW!

Uncle Rico

2011-12-03 04:40:53

Ko-Tao wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:None of this matters. It's the end of the world in '12. Everybody knows that. Sheesh.
Its all part of the

Master Plan.

I knew I could count on you to set things straight, Ko.

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-03 12:39:44

Va|iums wrote:Newt Gingrich, the guy who when quizzed about the stack of books he carried around congress to look smart admitted he didn't most of them, the guy who for all intents and purposes was a health care lobbyist.

Newt Gingrich.

Newt

Gingrich

lol

You know the republicans are fucked when they're down to Gingrich and Romney as the saviors of the republican party. I almost feel bad for you guys, *almost*

Newt isn't have as absurd as some junior visiting law professor/community agitator with no record at all, no experience at all at anything, named BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, peddling Hopey Changey New Tones in DC and other snake oil.

Whose first acts as President was to send back the bust of the spectacular Winston Churchill, a GIFT from Great Britain and then having BEBE to the WH and not even having dinner with him.

Then he went on to sandbag him with talk of having to negotiate from 60s borders.
Then pissed off the British PM and gave the Queen an Ipod loaded with his stupid speeches.

Navy CORPSEMAN! What an idiot.
Gingrich will rip him in any debate.
Obama knows jack shit about everything.

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-03 12:42:07

Pernicious wrote:wow, really, Newt?
Impala?
Really?

The most corrupt of them all.
And he is your guy.

wow.

What the fuck are you babbling about!? The most corrupt of all!?

Go play darts or something. You are illiterate in American Politics.

WOW!

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-03 12:47:12

Heart1ess wrote:The thing that seperates you fucking idiots and myself... is the fact that you guys still have faith in political leaders and the system. The fact you guys keep supporting a republican or democrat candidate is beyond me. How much corruption do you guys need to see?

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So, the fact you have no faith and are completely negative and cynical is supposed to a Good Thing!?

Maybe nobody told you this but America is governed by it citizens, not Kings or dictators or thugs or criminals.
It is up to us to govern ourselves with the best system ever devised by mankind.
Only pussies throw in the towel because they learn that GOSH, some humans are corrupt!!!!

Fact is, most people are not corrupt.
Even most reps and lobbyists and folks at investment banks and corporations are not evil and corrupt.

Your statements say more about you than the state of humanity.

Va|iums

2011-12-03 13:29:47

The Argumentalizer wrote:
Heart1ess wrote:The thing that seperates you fucking idiots and myself... is the fact that you guys still have faith in political leaders and the system. The fact you guys keep supporting a republican or democrat candidate is beyond me. How much corruption do you guys need to see?
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So, the fact you have no faith and are completely negative and cynical is supposed to a Good Thing!?

Maybe nobody told you this but America is governed by it citizens, not Kings or dictators or thugs or criminals.
It is up to us to govern ourselves with the best system ever devised by mankind.
Only pussies throw in the towel because they learn that GOSH, some humans are corrupt!!!!

Fact is, most people are not corrupt.
Even most reps and lobbyists and folks at investment banks and corporations are not evil and corrupt.

Your statements say more about you than the state of humanity.

lol what a joke

The best governing system "by citizens" in relation to direct vote is a true democracy. We have a republic where direct vote is diluted by various systemic measures (electoral college, the senate, individual rights are less important and executive orders primarily).

Pernicious

2011-12-03 17:42:56

The Argumentalizer wrote:
Pernicious wrote:wow, really, Newt?
Impala?
Really?

The most corrupt of them all.
And he is your guy.

wow.

What the fuck are you babbling about!? The most corrupt of all!?

Go play darts or something. You are illiterate in American Politics.

WOW!

What the fuck dude, do you not know anything about newt, it is a known fact that he is corrupt, theres no doubt in anyones mind about that. Its well documented, and if u havent heard the facts allready u must have ur head up ur ass, even in Ron Pauls attack on Newt, which i posted, some of these things are revisited. And they literally barely even touched on his corruption and hypocracy.

u be trollin, surely.

Heart1ess

2011-12-03 19:24:15

The Argumentalizer wrote:
Heart1ess wrote:The thing that seperates you fucking idiots and myself... is the fact that you guys still have faith in political leaders and the system. The fact you guys keep supporting a republican or democrat candidate is beyond me. How much corruption do you guys need to see?
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So, the fact you have no faith and are completely negative and cynical is supposed to a Good Thing!?

Maybe nobody told you this but America is governed by it citizens, not Kings or dictators or thugs or criminals.
It is up to us to govern ourselves with the best system ever devised by mankind.
Only pussies throw in the towel because they learn that GOSH, some humans are corrupt!!!!

Fact is, most people are not corrupt.
Even most reps and lobbyists and folks at investment banks and corporations are not evil and corrupt.

Your statements say more about you than the state of humanity.

Fact is....The majority of the people are NOT corrupt. You're correct with that comment, BUT The higher you go up the ladder the more corruption you will see. If you are telling me that the people at the top of the government, federal agencies, and corperations are not corrupt....... then we have a problem.

"Maybe nobody told you this but America is governed by it citizens, not Kings or dictators or thugs or criminals."

America is absolutely, positively ran by thugs and criminals.

Being Cynical is being able to see the truth.

Link

Va|iums

2011-12-04 01:28:20

I got some bad news guys....

The god of pizza officially kicked the bucket campaign wise today

CellarDweller

2011-12-04 03:02:56

Va|iums wrote:I got some bad news guys....

The god of pizza officially kicked the bucket campaign wise today

you sure this wasn't the bad news?

only carter was worse, and not by much.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/151106/Obama ... ctive.aspx

Va|iums

2011-12-04 03:57:17

CellarDweller wrote:
Va|iums wrote:I got some bad news guys....

The god of pizza officially kicked the bucket campaign wise today
you sure this wasn't the bad news?

only carter was worse, and not by much.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/151106/Obama ... ctive.aspx

zzz

You want to make this interesting and make a money bet that Obama will lose? I'll do $100 for any takers, written contract through mail only so no funny stuff.

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-04 05:54:50

I'll take the bet without any contract nonsense.

My word is good enough.
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"America is absolutely, positively ran by thugs and criminals.

Being Cynical is being able to see the truth."
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I don't live in your world, thankfully.

Like i said, your viewpoint is a direct symptom of your psyche.
You need to look at that. I say this only because i care.

Heart1ess

2011-12-04 06:06:19

If you searched for truth impala you would see that this is what the world really is:

Link

Heart1ess

2011-12-04 06:39:52

You know the fucked thing about you impala. You tell me i got a broken psyche for having my so called beliefs. Yet you follow religion which requires belief. The thing that seperates me from you is that there is proof out there that can be seen in plain sight. You have nothing in your religion that can be proven. All i gotta do is pull up the documents.

Heres a quick example: Enron.

Proof of ties with government and big banks. all inside illegal shit. I only use this as an example because enron is a great starting point for anyone wanting to know whats really going on. Documentary : Enron: Smartest guys in the room. Watch it.

example 2: JP Morgan

While most Americans are struggling hard to overcome the hardships of the recession, the profits of national banks continue to rise. JP Morgan is among those cashing-in ... and it's a contract to process food stamp payments that's helping it on its way. The Rich benefit off the back of the poor.

They profit off of others misfortunes. Not too mention all the other illegal shit they do behind closed doors.

Those are just 2. You give me a topic and i'll show you the corruption.

You are going to look like a fool after Obama wins again. Just like when you die and think your all mighty creator will be pleased with you

Va|iums

2011-12-04 11:47:25

The Argumentalizer wrote:I'll take the bet without any contract nonsense.

My word is good enough.

Alright so you gonna pay me in cash or check then?

The Argumentalizer

2011-12-04 13:58:13

Let me say that there are many things i like about younger folks, to include Valiums and others but the tendency towards hyperbole is not one of them.

Enron? Who gives a shit in the big scheme of things. Am i supposed to condemn thousands of corporations and businesses because of the actions of a few?

What is see is a tendency to give random events with big media coverage much more importance than they are due.
Understand that this is a easy trap to fall into, much like people fall for Hope and Change or Prison Planets or the Jews own the world, or whatever.

Pernicious

2011-12-05 03:04:59

The Argumentalizer wrote:Enron? Who gives a shit in the big scheme of things. Am i supposed to condemn thousands of corporations and businesses because of the actions of a few?

I believe the point is to condemn teh few and keep their money out of politics. What the fuck are u on about?

Heart1ess

2011-12-05 05:37:27

The Argumentalizer wrote:Let me say that there are many things i like about younger folks, to include Valiums and others but the tendency towards hyperbole is not one of them.

Enron? Who gives a shit in the big scheme of things. Am i supposed to condemn thousands of corporations and businesses because of the actions of a few?

What is see is a tendency to give random events with big media coverage much more importance than they are due.
Understand that this is a easy trap to fall into, much like people fall for Hope and Change or Prison Planets or the Jews own the world, or whatever.

No, It's not who gives a shit about Enron. Enron is a very important piece in history and many things like it are going on right now. Ignorant if you can't see it. It's right in your face old man.

s0iz

2012-01-02 19:26:55

Just wanted to share this.

lol

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Batter

2012-01-02 19:53:21

The next big solar flare will be in 2013 - and it'll be one of the smaller ones.
The next big cosmic thing to involve earth will be a meteor coming between the moon and us in 2029.

If the world ends in 2012 it will be self-caused.

Pernicious

2012-01-03 06:39:10

I got my fingers crossed for Alien visitation.

The Argumentalizer

2012-02-05 09:19:28

Looks like Romney will win, although Gingrich is probably the one to shake up the Gubbmint, but is hated by Libs because he was so fucking effective as Speaker, but Romney will clobber Obama and win Penn, Ohio, Nevada, Indiana...

Basically the entire country but the North East nanny state, Wisc/Illinois/Mich/Union Fags and the West coast.

Like as if the country was trying to push the Socialist/Marxist/Occupy/Abortionist/JohnFuckingKerry's into Canada or out to sea, which might as well be where they are going.

Heart1ess

2012-02-05 11:46:20

Geez...When will you get it impala? Your boy is not going to win it so your pick now is the heavy favorite? Of course Romney will win the republican race ! that's like predicting the next war will be with Iran. Fuck me.

Gingrich is the only one to shake up the government? Fuck me again, that's Ron Paul you're thinking of. Ron Paul doesn't have a chance in hell, but this time around he has energized the people to demand freedom from government. Those followers will be the same people on the streets demanding there freedoms back when this shit-hole gets even deeper.

The problem with you is that you don't have a bullshit meter to detect what is actually happening. If you did you would see that Obama will win again, but you can't seem to get those goggles off.

The Argumentalizer

2012-02-06 00:46:34

Why the fuck are you trolling me all the time!>? I stated in the post Romney will probably win and that he will clobber Obama.

Also, Gingrich did exactly that as Speaker. Maybe you are too young to remember. He shook up the orthodoxy, spoke directly to the people via the Contract and voted on every single measure they promised.
He dragged Clinton into Welfare reform, passed fixes for entitlements, passed balanced budgets...

I am not distraught over the possibility Romney will win. I will vote for him.
Ron Paul hasn't won a single primary and won't.
I respect many of his views and admire that he is pushing his agenda but people don't elect midget warlocks as President.

Fact is, any of the GOP runners is far better than the disaster/complete failure imposter now in the WH.
Even Michelle Bachmann is preferable, although dropped out.
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"The problem with you is that you don't have a bullshit meter to detect what is actually happening. If you did you would see that Obama will win again, but you can't seem to get those goggles off."

Registered uncommitted voters Obama-20% approval...
Poll shows SANTORUM even with Obama... lol

Obama is a one term experiment gone bad. The Hope and Changiacs will not be motivated this time out. Obama is not fresh and full of fresh bobblehead Teleprompter bullshit and propaganda you can believe in. This election is a GOP swing season far in favor of the GOP in the House, Senate and WH.
I'd like you to explain, in English, exactly what i have posted that supports this BULLSHIT!?

Heart1ess

2012-02-06 04:06:38

Maybe i'm half your age but i got a good head on my shoulders. I am smart enough to see the world for what it is. A good philosopher and a good debater. You pick the the subject i'll have you beat. You are stuck in the MUCK old man. Time shows it anyways. In time it all comes true where there is no debate needed. It will get that bad.

The Argumentalizer

2012-02-06 05:18:52

Sounds like a bunch of phony bravado with the a chip on it's shoulder.

I never claimed you were dumb or without a good head on your shoulders.
I asked you to explain what i have posted that is evidence I Don't see the the world as it is and you come back with some nonsense about me accusing you of that.
You claim that Obama can't be beat.
Well, i haven't seen any devastating debate arguments on that from you.

You play real good deathmatch, but PHILOSOPHER you are not.

Pernicious

2012-02-06 12:15:45

The Argumentalizer wrote:Also, Gingrich ....., passed balanced budgets...

10:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjCEn7ad7E

Ron Paul allways makes good points about balanced budgets or the lack there of. Based on the amount of debt, and the current choices i would say that the next 5-20 years are going to be interesting, and not in a good way =|.

Nutri-Grain

2012-02-07 00:31:36

Heart1ess

2012-02-07 02:14:17

Another brilliant contribution from nutri-grain. Write something that is of use in this thread and i'll take you seriously.

Show us more of yourself...all i see is a person that likes to cry about rules and does arrogant 1 liners.

You got nothing upstairs so i guess i shouldn't expect more from you.

The Argumentalizer

2012-02-07 08:55:33

Pernicious wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:Also, Gingrich ....., passed balanced budgets...
10:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjCEn7ad7E

Ron Paul allways makes good points about balanced budgets or the lack there of. Based on the amount of debt, and the current choices i would say that the next 5-20 years are going to be interesting, and not in a good way =|.

It's a huge deal. Debt at more than a 100% yearly GDP is ridiculous.
America now has a President and Gubbmint that isn't that different in reality than Mussolini and his Fascist regime.
The only saving us us is the fact the Dollar is the International currency of choice. A safe harbor.
If anything happens negatively on that front, we will be paying a Trillion a year in Interest.
More than the military budget and any single program.

The situation is dire but idiot liberals in DC don't get it. It's as if there is no problem.
I appreciate the hell out of most of what Paul thinks and espouse.
The thing is, it's not going to happen.
The best thing that we can hope for is a turn over in the Congress and White House and some meaningful Tax Reform, Entitlement Reform, reduced spending, an end to baseline budgeting, some more privatization....

This ignorant doofus Obama is a disaster.

Nutri-Grain

2012-02-07 08:56:23

Heart1ess

2012-02-07 09:35:02

i'm serious....in your own words please show us what your opinion is on the topic. Show us you have more then a pea sized brain.

Pernicious

2012-02-07 13:52:32

The Argumentalizer wrote:This ignorant doofus Obama is a disaster.

I agree, Mitt Romney though, ekch, not sure that anything would even change other then slightly, or for the worse. And Newt, i can see him being a disaster the moment some corporation dangles a bit of cash in front of his nose. Obama would defeat him too easily anyways by bringing up his past, and he just sucks.

ninojman

2012-02-07 18:04:17

[quote="The Argumentalizer"]
The best thing that we can hope for is a turn over in the Congress and White House and some meaningful Tax Reform, Entitlement Reform, reduced spending, an end to baseline budgeting, some more privatization....

This ignorant doofus Obama

ninojman

2012-02-07 19:01:32

Pernicious wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:This ignorant doofus Obama is a disaster.
I agree, Mitt Romney though, ekch, not sure that anything would even change other then slightly, or for the worse. And Newt, i can see him being a disaster the moment some corporation dangles a bit of cash in front of his nose. Obama would defeat him too easily anyways by bringing up his past, and he just sucks.

The only successes that clinton claims were from newt forcing his ideas down clinton's throat.

Newt could easily bring up the failings of obama over the past 3 years.

Heart1ess

2012-02-08 00:46:58

You guys are basically discussing which piece of shit tastes better. Newt and Romney all have an extensive background of doing the wrong things.....they got their political positions and money by using us as stomping grounds. Do ethics mean nothing to you guys? Or is it that fact that they stand up there and feed everyone bullshit to get the vote and you fall for it? Obama's speeches in the past are a perfect example how those lies got people thinking there is actually hope with him being there.. Fuck that...i didn't fall for that shit...i don't know if you any of you remember back when we where all in irc and where there for the 2008 election... I was saying all that and no one listened.. maybe 1 out of 60 people agreed with me. Now after time, i bet the majority would agree with me.

Romney.....Obama....It doesn't fucking matter. Those guys will both take the Country under.....Stop hanging your hat on these "leaders"

ninojman

2012-02-08 03:30:51

Obama was clearly a horrible choice. At least democrats could claim he sounded smart...unless outside of a teleprompter 57 states seriously wtf.

But McCain was too retarded by 1 believing his own bullshit because the media touted him as smart or 'maverick' anytime he said something bad about bush. 2. He threw away the election by suspending it to fix an unfix-able problem that started with liberal thinking back with Clinton.

Romeny or Obama? Clearly it matters Obama is to extreme to be the leader of the free world. He has done nothing but line the pockets of his followers through bullshit. I cannot fathom how bad it will be if he is unchecked in a 2nd term.

Pernicious

2012-02-08 04:11:51

Heart1ess wrote:You guys are basically discussing which piece of shit tastes better.

Honestly the only one who says anything worth a damn is Ron, so if i were there i would hope it doesnt end up being Obama vs Romney, unfortunately that seems to be the reality.
U guys just need to chuck votes his way so Gubmint Romney(as Impala would say) doesnt get em.

ninojman

2012-02-08 04:59:41

It is certainly good that Ron has stayed with it and brought up his points. Looking at the constitution as negative rights for the government is certainly a good thing. But the stance on foreign policy was to simple and from a different era WWII taught us that, Paul wants to forget it. Here in Va impala and I only have a choice between Romney and Ron Paul atm

Pernicious

2012-02-08 06:10:59

Whaaaaat, i have listened to him talk about his foreign policy quite a bit, i wouldnt say it was simple at all u just have to find clips of him explaining different situations. And it makes sense, then theres just the simple fact that America cant afford it.

The Argumentalizer

2012-02-09 16:10:50

Only Romney and Paul are on the ticket here.

There are too many things out of Paul's mouth i do not agree with to vote for him.
I don't care for Romney although he would be far better than what we have.
Santorum on Taxes is just DUMB.
Romney has good ideas for tax reform and migration.
I am not comfortable with a religious right wing candidate, even if my personal ideology follows his, so Santorum is out for me.

There isn't much choice but looking for perfection in politics is truly a lost cause anyways.
At least we won't have another HORRIBLE decrepit candidate like McCain or Dole.
FFS!

Pernicious

2012-02-09 18:06:20

The Argumentalizer wrote:There are too many things out of Paul's mouth i do not agree with to vote for him.!

Im curious to know wat they might be, i know alot of ppl hate RP cause they think he wants to just immediately rip out certain things from government and cause epic chaos or god knows wat they really think but his idea is to phase certain things out slowly and he does not pretend that it is going to be easy. He wants to bring back liberty and prosperity and theres evidence behind every stance he takes. For quite a while i had no real clue about Rp, but after actually listening to clips recent, and clips from the past, its just imossible to deny that he is theonly REAL choice, he wins debates with ease and is the only one not to flip flop like a fish out of water.

Nutri-Grain

2012-02-09 22:05:56

Heart1ess

2012-02-10 00:24:57

Pernicious wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:There are too many things out of Paul's mouth i do not agree with to vote for him.!
Im curious to know wat they might be, i know alot of ppl hate RP cause they think he wants to just immediately rip out certain things from government and cause epic chaos or god knows wat they really think but his idea is to phase certain things out slowly and he does not pretend that it is going to be easy. He wants to bring back liberty and prosperity and theres evidence behind every stance he takes. For quite a while i had no real clue about Rp, but after actually listening to clips recent, and clips from the past, its just imossible to deny that he is theonly REAL choice, he wins debates with ease and is the only one not to flip flop like a fish out of water.

Pern gets it!