A novel idea.

Let me attempt to use different words to get my point accross;

Half-Life 2: Deathmatch University should not be your only stop in your quest to beccoming a better player and should be used as a tool only. It is a good resource for information but it needs to used in conjunction with a boot camp that should be used in conjunction with a powerful tool; Common Sense. "Boot Camp" can be as simple as pressing escape and studying your control's. Walking, Running, Crouching, Sprinting, Aiming and Shooting are all basic movement teqniques every player should master on there own before they try and tackle more advanced multi-player feats of coordination like "bunny hoping" and "grav jumping". The only way to truly master any teqnique is to do it over and over and over again and that can only be done with time. The end result of the U is players that lack the information and education to inteligently defeat there opponents on the battlefield provided by valve and lack the basic knowledge and skill to manipulate there character on the screen. Take a look how the military trains new rectruits. Everyone starts at the bottom and works there way up slowly getting educated on how the system and the world around them works until they are fully trained and profficient in every aspect of there job. Its called proffessionalism and the same logic can be applied to your game and every aspect of your life.

The "Rules" of the game are simple; Kill or be killed and use the tools given to you to the best of your ability and have fun. The original Half-Life DM was simply the multi-player function for a single player game and not stand alone. Again the rules were simple; Kill or be killed using the tools and teqniques you have mastered while playing the single player game. Half-Life 2: Deathmatch takes those same fundementals; use the tools and teqniques you learned in the single player game and apply them in the field against your friends.The logic behind that is to make sure you have the basic knowledge and skills to at least be able to function in the single player environment before you graduate to the more advanced concepts and movement teqniques in deathmatch. Left 4 Dead takes those same aspects of survival and the kill or be killed atmosphere of DM and the single player aspects of the half-life series and blends them all together. Communication, Coordination, Teamwork and common sense are essencial or you will fail. You don't know how to play? Play the single player, learn how to move shoot and aim, and then try your luck in the field.The U seems to want to get players ready and interested in the CAL aspects of gameplay only. You have attemped and failed to turn deathmatch into a sport and tried to apply sportsman like behavior into a war zone and change the roots of deathmatch and coincidentaly seem to have lost track of what the game is about; Killing your friends and having fun in an environment with no rules.

Here is a novel idea

Go start up your own site and community.

The U seems to want to get players ready and interested in the CAL aspects of gameplay only. You have attemped and failed to turn deathmatch into a sport and tried to apply sportsman like behavior into a war zone and change the roots of deathmatch and coincidentaly seem to have lost track of what the game is about; Killing your friends and having fun in an environment with no rules.

Preparing players for CAL was never the goal. Just because people involved in CAL have chosen to get involved with DMU doesn't mean that is the mission of the site. Clan leaders from all over the world were invited to participate, but many chose not to. We try to teach people to be tougher players, but that is all.

Have you read my article on fundamentals at all? It covers many of the things you talk about without going into advanced moves.

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/hl2dm_103.php

Regarding sportsmanship, most competitive players prefer to play with a minimum of rules. It is actually the clans and various admins that try to enforce sportsman like behavior in game (no spawn killing, no killing afks, no spamming rpg/orbs/smg nades). Sportsmanship here at the U amounts to this: don't cry when you die, you will respawn in just a second!

Here is a novel idea

Go start up your own site and community.

You are a board memeber with that sort of close minded attitude? That explains alot about this place. No worries I don't need a site to tell me how to survive in my game. Obviously YOU do. Have a great day dieing.

The U seems to want to get players ready and interested in the CAL aspects of gameplay only. You have attemped and failed to turn deathmatch into a sport and tried to apply sportsman like behavior into a war zone and change the roots of deathmatch and coincidentaly seem to have lost track of what the game is about; Killing your friends and having fun in an environment with no rules.

Preparing players for CAL was never the goal. Just because people involved in CAL have chosen to get involved with DMU doesn't mean that is the mission of the site. Clan leaders from all over the world were invited to participate, but many chose not to. We try to teach people to be tougher players, but that is all.

Have you read my article on fundamentals at all? It covers many of the things you talk about without going into advanced moves.

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/hl2dm_103.php

Regarding sportsmanship, most competitive players prefer to play with a minimum of rules. It is actually the clans and various admins that try to enforce sportsman like behavior in game (no spawn killing, no killing afks, no spamming rpg/orbs/smg nades). Sportsmanship here at the U amounts to this: don't cry when you die, you will respawn in just a second!

The point is this place isnt the one and only authority on all things deathmatch and your way isnt the only way. I prove that by existing.

The point is this place isnt the one and only authority on all things deathmatch and your way isnt the only way. I prove that by existing.

Where do we claim that we are? The whole purpose of this site is to try to get people who still prefer to play dm together.

Unfortunately many people who come here see only what they choose to see (elitism, exploiters, anti-fun, not enough moderation, too much moderation, anti killbox, anti-low grav) but again they are missing the point, and / or mistake individual players expressing their opinion for the values of the site itself.

The point is this place isnt the one and only authority on all things deathmatch and your way isnt the only way. I prove that by existing.

Where do we claim that we are? The whole purpose of this site is to try to get people who still prefer to play dm together.

The attitudes of everyone here that decides to post. No one here knows what DM is about and I honestly think if you are trying to promote and train new players you are going about it the wrong way Hence the lack of support or interest in your site by anyone not in CAL or not totally new to DM. I've been around for a very very long time and CAL is not DM. Cal is a seperate entity and should be treated as such. Your new players think CAL is part of this game when in fact its an off shoot if the original concept and adding rules and regualtions to a game that has none and they are going out and spreading there new rules around as fact and imposing those rules on anyone that they come up against. That is absurd.

Sean: I don't get your point here. This site is here to support HL2DM, the game.
That includes TDM, DM 1 v 1...
It is here to be a resource for players, nothing more.
You say CAL is not DM?!?!
Well it is TDM and 1 v 1 competition.
What else is it supposed to be?
Maybe you could build a DM site, where folks enter and fill a 10 man server and slug it out and results posted on the site. Nothing stops you from doing this.

The U has a training server, Trainers, demos, tips... etc.
A lot of the folks here help noobs all the time, if they want.

Maybe you could articulate what it is that you are hinting at, like Boot Camp.
Maybe you have not stated your ideas well enough, rather than the folks here are close minded.

DM, as originally intended is a server full of people, map changes, Map ends, someone has the highest score and wins, next. Nothing more.
CAL is an attempt to expand the game and this is a BAD thing?!?!?!

.

Here is a novel idea

Go start up your own site and community.

You are a board memeber with that sort of close minded attitude? That explains alot about this place. No worries I don't need a site to tell me how to survive in my game. Obviously YOU do. Have a great day dieing.

1v1?

Hahaha this guy is just bitter with the U because no one shared his love for Tiesto

Preparing me for CAL....?
That's odd, because I still enjoy low-grav killboxes/open maps just as much as 600 g non-killbox maps. And so on.

WT, you're not doing a good enough job brainwashing me! Oh sure, it was a clever idea to introduce a Killbox CAL league, but you can't fool me! No sir!

Preparing me for CAL....?
That's odd, because I still enjoy low-grav killboxes/open maps just as much as 600 g non-killbox maps. And so on.

WT, you're not doing a good enough job brainwashing me! Oh sure, it was a clever idea to introduce a Killbox CAL league, but you can't fool me! No sir!

i'll have what he's having pliz

first off, HL2dm is what ever you want it to be. it means something different to every player. whether its a get home from work and chill out for a couple hours before dinner, or listen to music and play low grav pub, or just normal pub, or just play with friends, or competitive, and everything in between. CAL and warzone werent made to change the "roots" of DM, they were made so players who do like competitive style of play would have a place to do so. and last i checked NOBODY, noob or not, is forced to play in CAL or any other league, dont know why you think that. if you dont like CAL, dont play, simple as that. im not sure where this random rant came from but its kinda of rediculas. i will agree with your point that this site is supposedly meant for a resource and most of the time threads get out of hand, but again, nobody is forcing you to come here either.

i still don't get why this guy hasn't been banned yet.

In either case you guys really are fucking retards when it comes to playing. Prove me wrong.

Yeah Okay. Fuck half you leetist pieces of pompus shit. I just wanted to know where the fuck you play so that perhaps I could see where some of you play. All you other fucking bastards can go to hell. Either way BAN me from here But I'll still be out there fucking kicking you sorry asses. Peace the fuck out.

Alright. SO I realize the post I made about someone or other being "Elitest Faggots" was probably crossing a LINE somewhere and I appologize. The intent of this thread was to get an idea where alot of you guys play so yes, I can kill you. I never said I was the best player since there are certainly better players than I. End of story. No "Dis-respect" intended. LOOK me up on Steam
steamID= seanpyl

Laters and have a most wonderous day.

Heh. You guys are all faggots.

hey your the random faggot

NO. Your a faggot.

seriously

ban this kid already

he jumps in every thread, starts talking about some irrelevant bullshit and starts a flame war

No just with the Elitest fucks such as yourself.

2nd that. gets off on himself. unprovoked.

Oh well. Ban away. Life goes on with or without this forum.

Not to be a dick but banning me won't make me dissapear. I'm afraid you will just have to have me killed. Thats Sean Pyl, 58909 Firlock Park Street, Saint Helens, Oregon, 97051.

well anyone who is that gullible/stupid deserves to get their shit taken away.

Yeah? So anything bad that happens to you must be deserved.

I've managed to keep my same user name and password and account forever. What seems to be the problem? No common sense????? I'm going to start a new thread asking for social security numbers.

I guess someone is not allowed to make mistakes without them being flung into his face at every possible turn by some of you people. Well I appologize to those of you who can't look past some of the hostilities of the past and listen to what I'm saying now. This post was neither hostile nor have I responded to anyone hostily without first being provoked. Perhaps I was just confused about how everyone thought of the game. A thousand appologies. Please, adults only respond instead of irrational children.

I guess someone is not allowed to make mistakes without them being flung into his face at every possible turn by some of you people. Well I appologize to those of you who can't look past some of the hostilities of the past and listen to what I'm saying now. This post was neither hostile nor have I responded to anyone hostily without first being provoked. Perhaps I was just confused about how everyone thought of the game. A thousand appologies. Please, adults only respond instead of irrational children.

spoken like a gentleman. appology accepted in my book!!!

first off, HL2dm is what ever you want it to be. it means something different to every player. whether its a get home from work and chill out for a couple hours before dinner, or listen to music and play low grav pub, or just normal pub, or just play with friends, or competitive, and everything in between. CAL and warzone werent made to change the "roots" of DM, they were made so players who do like competitive style of play would have a place to do so. and last i checked NOBODY, noob or not, is forced to play in CAL or any other league, dont know why you think that. if you dont like CAL, dont play, simple as that. im not sure where this random rant came from but its kinda of rediculas. i will agree with your point that this site is supposedly meant for a resource and most of the time threads get out of hand, but again, nobody is forcing you to come here either.

I come here because of a situation I came accross last night. A kid came into my server and demanded I one versus one him and when I declined he said I couldn't "Hang anywhere but in a pub owning noob pubbers" and that I had no "Honor" and I should be "shammed" and he was very adiment about CAL being the only way the game was played. This being a haven for everything to do with CAL I assumed the source of that thinking came from here and perhaps I could shed some light on how someone could be so mis-informed. So I posted what I thought the roots of DM were to me and gave my two cents on what I thought of the U's approach on things. And you are right, no one is forcing me to come here since I was attempting to have a rational discussion about my thoughts and idea's. No one is forcing you to contribute.

Inferno, you,re alright by me, i'd just like to hear more this idea of Boot Camp.

Like a mega sticky with a curriculum, order of learning, techniques explained...
What is it.

Inferno, you,re alright by me, i'd just like to hear more this idea of Boot Camp.

Like a mega sticky with a curriculum, order of learning, techniques explained...
What is it.

I have alot of Idea's and teqniques and tricks that I have learned in over 10 years of playing the half-life universe. I am by no mean's ever done learning new things in this game and I'm not claiming I am the best I am just offering what I can to the table. I know what works and I know how to make it happen the most effecient way I know possible. I can break it down step by step for you and tell you what works personally for me. It will just take me some time to formulate all of my Idea's into something easily understood and containing the points I want to get accross. I was expecting hostilities from everyone so I have not started on that project yet but I am willing and able and I have nothing but time.

first off, HL2dm is what ever you want it to be. it means something different to every player. whether its a get home from work and chill out for a couple hours before dinner, or listen to music and play low grav pub, or just normal pub, or just play with friends, or competitive, and everything in between. CAL and warzone werent made to change the "roots" of DM, they were made so players who do like competitive style of play would have a place to do so. and last i checked NOBODY, noob or not, is forced to play in CAL or any other league, dont know why you think that. if you dont like CAL, dont play, simple as that. im not sure where this random rant came from but its kinda of rediculas. i will agree with your point that this site is supposedly meant for a resource and most of the time threads get out of hand, but again, nobody is forcing you to come here either.

I come here because of a situation I came accross last night. A kid came into my server and demanded I one versus one him and when I declined he said I couldn't "Hang anywhere but in a pub owning noob pubbers" and that I had no "Honor" and I should be "shammed" and he was very adiment about CAL being the only way the game was played. This being a haven for everything to do with CAL I assumed the source of that thinking came from here and perhaps I could shed some light on how someone could be so mis-informed. So I posted what I thought the roots of DM were to me and gave my two cents on what I thought of the U's approach on things. And you are right, no one is forcing me to come here since I was attempting to have a rational discussion about my thoughts and idea's. No one is forcing you to contribute.

you're right, nobody is forcing me to contribute, i do it of my own free will, but i dont complain about it.

The Half-life 2: Deathmatch University Boot Camp

Basic Concept's;

Since Half-Life 2: Deathmatch was released as a stand alone from the game its easy to forget that some players have never actually learned how to move the mouse or fire a weapon in the game. My goal is to educate players that are new to the Half-Life universe(New to the universe meaning never touched the single player game) in basic movement teqniques and to familiarize and prepare the player to face the many chalenges that he will face in the world of deathmatch. Luckily the folks at Valve have already come up with a solution for introducing there players into there world. If you remember when you played the first Half-Life they had the "Hazard Course" to help familiarize all of us new to Half-Life how to play. The crouch jump and the long jump were essential skills to master if you hoped to survive or even complete the game. Again in Half-Life 2, at the begining of the game new players were forced to familiarize themselves with basic movement teqniques or fail to move on. By releasing DM by itself and leaving out that critical step of familiarization and easy to follow instructions it's no wonder that there are so many clueless people out there. I plan to fix that and I think a "Boot Camp" map designed to show you everything from how to move left and right all the way up to the most advanced teqniques should do nicely. Learn to crawl, walk and then run is a pretty solid teqnique and keep it simple stupid are good rules to follow when designing a map for this particular project. Remeber the single player games already do this for us we just need to take the important basic elements from them all and then add all of the advanced movement teqniques as a seperate map after you have mastered the basics and "graduate".

The Half-life 2: Deathmatch University Boot Camp

Basic Concept's;

Since Half-Life 2: Deathmatch was released as a stand alone from the game its easy to forget that some players have never actually learned how to move the mouse or fire a weapon in the game. My goal is to educate players that are new to the Half-Life universe(New to the universe meaning never touched the single player game) in basic movement teqniques and to familiarize and prepare the player to face the many chalenges that he will face in the world of deathmatch. Luckily the folks at Valve have already come up with a solution for introducing there players into there world. If you remember when you played the first Half-Life they had the "Hazard Course" to help familiarize all of us new to Half-Life how to play. The crouch jump and the long jump were essential skills to master if you hoped to survive or even complete the game. Again in Half-Life 2, at the begining of the game new players were forced to familiarize themselves with basic movement teqniques or fail to move on. By releasing DM by itself and leaving out that critical step of familiarization and easy to follow instructions it's no wonder that there are so many clueless people out there. I plan to fix that and I think a "Boot Camp" map designed to show you everything from how to move left and right all the way up to the most advanced teqniques should do nicely. Learn to crawl, walk and then run is a pretty solid teqnique and keep it simple stupid are good rules to follow when designing a map for this particular project. Remeber the single player games already do this for us we just need to take the important basic elements from them all and then add all of the advanced movement teqniques as a seperate map after you have mastered the basics and "graduate".

ill admit this isnt a bad idea, and i applaud your efforts to help new players......BUT, if you havent noticed there's not an overwelming amount of ppl just joining this game. i think you are going to end up helping a bunch of CSS players for a couple of weeks until they decide they dont like all the movement shit they have to learn and then quti. i hope im wrong tho, cause this game does need some fresh blood. good luck with this bro, and i really mean that, im not being sarcastic.

Here is my solution to that. I will only help people that want and seek it. I'm offering it as a resource for players because they didnt have it before. Think about it a little. WHY would new players not come to this game? Because there is no introduction and no one telling them whats going on around them. You are left to figure shit out on your own and no one is helping anyone along. The attitudes of the vetran players are to rape "Noobs" and "Own" and that is certainly your perogative. I've been playing this game since I was 14 and I've had alot of time to think about "Half-Life" and what makes a good it a good game. However, since Deathmatch was released it was done so at first bundled with your purchase of HL and then as a stand alone by itself with no introduction and assuming new players have actually played the single player. You guys wanted Ideas and suggestions on how to improve your site and get more players actually in this game. Teach them, this is a "University" and its board memebers should actually believe in the things they are speaking about other wise I can really just as easily design and launch my own approach to DM's problems and actually solve the ones at hand. Perhaps you don't have the time and thats totally fine because I have nothing but time to sit down and think about the worlds problems and come up with solutions. At least all of the MODS that were released assumed you have never touched a mouse and keyboard at first and I'm pretty sure Valve did this all to themselves by releasing a stand alone game with no introduction and no help for new players. I love this game and I always will and I'll put in the time and effort to teach new players and I will gather those around me that feel the same way.

new people for the most part don't come to / pretty quickly leave this game because it has three major drawbacks:
1) it's very complicated to become any good in it. other old FPS games with advanced movement like Quake are FAR easier to master or at least become decent at over HL2DM.
2) it's suffering from a long discontinued advertisement on the developer's part.
3) it's not following the new style of games out nowadays which are more and more about teamplay and RPG (aliens, special OP, assassins, monsters of sorts etc.) and also missing is the heavy emphasis on the eyecandy factor which is predominant in new games.

The last thing a veteran player wants to do is "rape noobs" there's nothing more boring, and enough of this "you guys" shit I have no clue who you are, never seen you in game, in cal games or in draft night but you talk about us like you know everything there is to know about us.

I'm all for what you want to do but we've been doing it for over a year now, I've trained plenty of players and I don't have to look for them they ask me, I teach them what they feel like learning, not "WTF noob LEARN IT ALL OR FUCK YOU WITH A CORNCOB!!11"

This website does exactly what it was meant to do, by volunteers only, on our spare time for nothing and we don't complain about it, we keep doing it no questions asked so you need to cut back on this whole fuck dmu and it's people attitude.

Sean I do think you may have misunderstood what the DMU was about.

I came to the DMU as a noob player that after having played the game for a bit and was finally getting better to the point where I was doing much better in pubs (yes pubs) decided that I wanted to know more. I wanted to get even better at the game learn the advanced techniques of strafe jump and bhop among the other things that the (bastards ) that I had occasionally come across were doing and kicking my ass with.

It is through the DMU that I learned to grav nade, catch orbs, strafe jump and bhop. It is because of the CAL players and other long time players participating in this site that we have the information here that we have. While those same people still can kick my but most of the time, I can give some of them a decent fight once in a while. Without the DMU, the knowledge of the game itself would not have grown to what it is. Myself and others would not have gotten our game to a higher level and I most likely would not still be playing the game.

I was presented with a problem and I've discovered a solution. If need be I will figure out what I need to do to make this happen on my own and re-educate players on how it used to be. I'm not saying there is any wrong or right way the U is just lacking the leadership and ability to look at problems logically and un-biased and I'll bring the change needed. Isnt that what Obama's message of "Change" has been? The only difference between me and him is that he isnt concerned about how the image of deathmatch and how the roots of the game have been lost. When I'm done here I'll turn my attentions to the greater problems of the world.

This site does a good job if not only for information, where else has more then here.
Frag vids, tutorials, need i mention more............console creation which no one really seems to care about XD but theres still some stuff there, and even cal final demos yay.
Eat my breifcase.

This site does a good job if not only for information, where else has more then here.
Frag vids, tutorials, need i mention more............console creation which no one really seems to care about XD but theres still some stuff there, and even cal final demos yay.
Eat my breifcase.

Thank you for helping identify yourself as part of the problem. Again, adults only respond and people that are interested in helping new players and have something NEW to offer instead of settling for how it is.

Sean I do think you may have misunderstood what the DMU was about.

I came to the DMU as a noob player that after having played the game for a bit and was finally getting better to the point where I was doing much better in pubs (yes pubs) decided that I wanted to know more. I wanted to get even better at the game learn the advanced techniques of strafe jump and bhop among the other things that the (bastards ) that I had occasionally come across were doing and kicking my ass with.

It is through the DMU that I learned to grav nade, catch orbs, strafe jump and bhop. It is because of the CAL players and other long time players participating in this site that we have the information here that we have. While those same people still can kick my but most of the time, I can give some of them a decent fight once in a while. Without the DMU, the knowledge of the game itself would not have grown to what it is. Myself and others would not have gotten our game to a higher level and I most likely would not still be playing the game.

I think your have mis-understood my goals here. I'm not attacking the U. I'm posting thoughts and Idea's and solutions and looking at the problem as a whole instead of one person's perspective and educating along the way.

new people for the most part don't come to / pretty quickly leave this game because it has three major drawbacks:
1) it's very complicated to become any good in it. other old FPS games with advanced movement like Quake are FAR easier to master or at least become decent at over HL2DM.
2) it's suffering from a long discontinued advertisement on the developer's part.
3) it's not following the new style of games out nowadays which are more and more about teamplay and RPG (aliens, special OP, assassins, monsters of sorts etc.) and also missing is the heavy emphasis on the eyecandy factor which is predominant in new games.

I believe we have already identified the problem and I've presented a solution. I want to create a better resource for the players that actually want to learn.

The last thing a veteran player wants to do is "rape noobs" there's nothing more boring, and enough of this "you guys" shit I have no clue who you are, never seen you in game, in cal games or in draft night but you talk about us like you know everything there is to know about us.

I'm all for what you want to do but we've been doing it for over a year now, I've trained plenty of players and I don't have to look for them they ask me, I teach them what they feel like learning, not "WTF noob LEARN IT ALL OR FUCK YOU WITH A CORNCOB!!11"

This website does exactly what it was meant to do, by volunteers only, on our spare time for nothing and we don't complain about it, we keep doing it no questions asked so you need to cut back on this whole fuck dmu and it's people attitude.

I've been around this game a long time and I've never heard of you either. I'm not saying "fuck dmu and all it's people". I'm saying the people in power here have settled simply because no one was stepping up to the plate. The fact is people with your attitude and inability to look at a problem as a whole have brought us where we are today.

so ok lemme get this right:

new people for the most part don't come to / pretty quickly leave this game because it has three major drawbacks:
1) it's very complicated to become any good in it. other old FPS games with advanced movement like Quake are FAR easier to master or at least become decent at over HL2DM.
2) it's suffering from a long discontinued advertisement on the developer's part.
3) it's not following the new style of games out nowadays which are more and more about teamplay and RPG (aliens, special OP, assassins, monsters of sorts etc.) and also missing is the heavy emphasis on the eyecandy factor which is predominant in new games.

I believe we have already identified the problem and I've presented a solution. I want to create a better resource for the players that actually want to learn.

and then...

The fact is people with your attitude and inability to look at a problem as a whole have brought us where we are today.

ho hmm...

and in other words:
come now, please lay out the problem as YOU see it.

I want to stress something, and, as you are not attacking the U, i am not attacking you either - to me, you seem to make sense in flashes: one second you do, the other you don't. half post you do, other half you don't.
The Obama bit, man, i'm not even going to get into how far out that was.

please, just try to explain as clear as possible what is the problem:

1) with HL2DM - the game
2) with the U - the forum

thx,
val

To be honest i dont think any of us know your point. you just randomly started on this rant about helping ppl learn the game. as with any game, it has evolved. im not sure how you are planing on helping new comers by showing them "the roots". i can kinda see where you are going with that but, it makes so fucking sense. what is your goal for this learn the roots mission? this is like showing somebody who wants to learn to drive, how the cave man came up with the wheel. teaching somebody how to roll a circular shaped stone down a hill, when the person is looking to learn how to work a clutch. in this day and age, anybody who is playing online games knows the basic movement priciples like wasd, space=jump, how to crouch, how to sprint, thats a given to PC gamers now. so your root mission is pretty much a waste of time, unless you plan on teaching ppl who just bought a computer and somehow decided to buy an old game like hl2dm how to get started.

Dont come here bashing us and DMU, there are links to trainers here, there are frag vids, tutorials, manuals, documents on strategy, league info, etc. dont start a thread and tell us who can reply to it, saying only adults can when you yourself are acting like a child.

Finally, if you have some grand idea on starting this school of yours, go right the fuck ahead, nobody's stopping you, idk why you started this thread in the first place. you're free to do what ever you want, are you here looking for permission, attention, or a plug for your new university?

I very delibrately posted this in "Site Suggestion's and Question's". I was throwing out some Idea's and brain storming on ways to improve the game. End of Story. With that in mind what are you contributing?

I very delibrately posted this in "Site Suggestion's and Question's". I was throwing out some Idea's and brain storming on ways to improve the game. End of Story. With that in mind what are you contributing?

well i think the issue is the aggresive, offensive manner in which you presented your idea, not the idea itself. as far as what im contributing:

i have never said "no" to anybody who asked me for help.
i became a CAL admin to try and help improve the way the league is run.
i am helping Dallas out with his warzone league to give players another choice for league play.
im an active member of this community who helps out anybody in any way that i can.
im a true friend and clanmate to many.
i run my own server for my clan, so that EE can have another server for matches.
i stick up for ppl who are good ppl and are getting the shit end of the stick at certain times.
i made EE hats for my clan and mailed them to the members
i am currently planning an EE LAN party in VA beach

other little things from time to time, but im not sure why this is of concern to you.

I shall revise my future messages to ommit the content that is offensive to you then. Have you even been reading a word that is on your screen and actually comprehending what you are seeing? You would not be confused right now if that were the case.

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Im tellin ya man I said it before and I'll say it again..., seanpyl = small penis syndrome

I think ur a little too serious, u have to realise we are all just normal ppl with normal jobs (mostly i assume), no one here has THAT much time on their hands, u have to be realistic.

HL2DM-u is a VERRY good site considering the game isnt very popular, nor competitive, and theres no money in it.
And calling me part of the problem wtf, i like the game, so much so that i spent time learning console stuff for the specific purpose of making a tutorial for this site...something which i mentioned didnt turn out to be very popular, and consolecreation, wen u get into it, is time consuming XD

ur head is in the clouds?

So I take it you all just sit back and watch the world roll by content with what is in front of you and question nothing? This is a simple problem and I've devoted very little of my time to it since as you like to point out its just a game.


Smethious I'm afraid the only syndrome you have = Down.

I will admit that many of our instructors arent very active right now. But in case you havent noticed, not many people are asking for help these days. However there are those of us that do take new people and try to teach them. Mliquid and Rachkir are both pretty good players I found MLiquid on an OFC server late one night when he could barely move and I kept killing him all over the map. So instead I started to show him stuff and I told him about the U. He took it that info and ran with it and he got better, alot better. Rachkir appeared in a our server one night and he too put up with the abuse being dished out on him so I invited him back and we started showing him stuff too. He and MLiquid joined my clan and then trained together all the time and both got good fast.

I still see new players come into my server. Most of the time they leave after 2 or 3 deaths and we never see them again. I have one or two right now that have come back and I have started to teach them some of the advanced stuff. I have a clan member that started with us playing TF2 and he has now expressed interest in DM. I took him to a private server and started teaching him grav nade and strafe jump.

They have to want to learn and yes they have to be able to put up with getting beat up. You can show them every advanced technique there is, but they have to put the time in to learn it and then learn how to do it well in an actual game. If they cant put up with that then its kind of a pointless endeavor.

I will admit that many of our instructors arent very active right now. But in case you havent noticed, not many people are asking for help these days. However there are those of us that do take new people and try to teach them. Mliquid and Rachkir are both pretty good players I found MLiquid on an OFC server late one night when he could barely move and I kept killing him all over the map. So instead I started to show him stuff and I told him about the U. He took it that info and ran with it and he got better, alot better. Rachkir appeared in a our server one night and he too put up with the abuse being dished out on him so I invited him back and we started showing him stuff too. He and MLiquid joined my clan and then trained together all the time and both got good fast.

I still see new players come into my server. Most of the time they leave after 2 or 3 deaths and we never see them again. I have one or two right now that have come back and I have started to teach them some of the advanced stuff. I have a clan member that started with us playing TF2 and he has now expressed interest in DM. I took him to a private server and started teaching him grav nade and strafe jump.

They have to want to learn and yes they have to be able to put up with getting beat up. You can show them every advanced technique there is, but they have to put the time in to learn it and then learn how to do it well in an actual game. If they cant put up with that then its kind of a pointless endeavor.

My focus has not been on showing them advanced teqniques but the basics since they have no set of instructions to follow. I'm not asking anyone to do this for me I'm entirely capable of doing it all myself I just wanted to bounce the Idea off a few people.

The whole training map idea is something I have wanted to do here for a long time. I even have some prototypes contributed by various mappers, it's not a new idea. Unfortunately, like many hobbies that do not take priority over real life, not everything you hope to do actually gets done. Calling Board Members, who have contributed more here than you have done or likely ever will, "part of the problem" is a joke.

Your idea sounds just like the concept behind DMU, in fact I am having trouble finding any differences based on your description.

My focus has not been on showing them advanced teqniques but the basics since they have no set of instructions to follow. I'm not asking anyone to do this for me I'm entirely capable of doing it all myself I just wanted to bounce the Idea off a few people.

Umm have you seen this?
http://www.hl2dm-university.com/curriculum.php

WT if my idea's are not to far from your hopes for this place to begin with let me work on the issue for you. I'm telling you I have nothing but free time at the moment. I'm not changing any of your lives at all, all you have to do is sit back like you have been and be content. If you have an idea please share it. Thats all I'm asking. You know those server messages that pop up on everyones screen when they start the map? Why not have easy to follow instructions and links to anything they could possibly want to know about the game in front of them for those not able to press escape and put two and two together. Something as simple as "Here are your controls and here are the different aspects of the game you are playing" so there is NO confusion.

The whole training map idea is something I have wanted to do here for a long time. I even have some prototypes contributed by various mappers, it's not a new idea. Unfortunately, like many hobbies that do not take priority over real life, not everything you hope to do actually gets done. Calling Board Members, who have contributed more here than you have done or likely ever will, "part of the problem" is a joke.

Your idea sounds just like the concept behind DMU, in fact I am having trouble finding any differences based on your description.

The part of the "Problem" I was refering to was the complete lack of desire to do anything. As you point out this entire group has lost all motivation and its just a hobby. If you want to go down with the ship then that is your perogative. I'm not going to sit back and do nothing and I've apprently been talking to a bunch of kids this entire time. I appologize for interupting the delicate balance of your fruitful and meaningful lives.

Is it possible to control your triple shot, with shotgun? Is there a definitive step by step on how to do so?

And also I know how to gravity gun jump pressing primary fire, but i've seen onti and other do it some other way using the secondary or something how is this achieved?

Yeah its called sitting down and figuring it out. Do you really need someone to hold your hand through your entire life?

fail

Is it possible to control your triple shot, with shotgun? Is there a definitive step by step on how to do so?

And also I know how to gravity gun jump pressing primary fire, but i've seen onti and other do it some other way using the secondary or something how is this achieved?

Yeah its called sitting down and figuring it out. Do you really need someone to hold your hand through your entire life?

fail

Given that you have read my post in its entirety Cellar what are your thoughts on the issue?

my thoughts are that you find the hl2dmu mission lacking or incomplete. if not the mission, then the site itself.

you think you have a better or at least different concept for the benefit of either the community, the game or yourself. i'm not clear which.

so my final thoughts are... you should stop visiting or at least posting on this site and go build a better mousetrap.

The thing is sean, this site exists to do just what you are saying should be done. Look around and you will see that. Calling us children doesnt help your cause, it just serves to make people think less of you and put you into the category of just an asshole flamer. I really dont know what the hell you are expecting from us. Do you want us all to jump up and say YA YA!! and sign up for your Boot camp as instructors? We dont need to, we are already doing much of what you are suggesting, many of us on our own servers. Its not all that obvious here, because we are not "Official" instructors.

I have told countless new people about this site and I have answered questions for them in game as to how to do this and how to do that. I have added them to friends and told them if you have questions ask. Ive offered to take them in to a private server and show them more. Some have taken me up on that. Most never come back. We cant drag them here (or anywhere else), we cant force them to type in the URL to this site or to sign up and ask for help. We cant force them to put the necessary time in to learn it if they are not willing to meet us half way.

I have an advert on my server that says " Want to learn more about the game? Type "learn"". When they type "learn" it tells them about this place and even gives a link to this website. Have seen many type "learn" but I cant force them to click it and I cant force them to come here and actually put the time in. Many would just rather not be bothered.

All of what you suggest should be done and it has been and is being done. It only works if they ask or they accept if your offer. If they dont ask and they dont accept help then we cant do anything for them. Sorry but thats just the way it is.

You dont really need anything special to do what you are suggesting. I suggest that you do what we are doing. If you see someone that you think could use your help, offer. If they accept take them to an empty or private server and do it. If you see someone ask for help in the Help thread, respond. Use the resources here to your advantage. The link I posted can be a reference for you to teach or for anyone that wants to learn more about this game.

If you really feel serious about it, and you have the time as you say, just do it. It can only help the common cause right?

The thing is sean, this site exists to do just what you are saying should be done. Look around and you will see that. Calling us children doesnt help your cause, it just serves to make people think less of you and put you into the category of just an asshole flamer. I really dont know what the hell you are expecting from us. Do you want us all to jump up and say YA YA!! and sign up for your Boot camp as instructors? We dont need to, we are already doing much of what you are suggesting, many of us on our own servers. Its not all that obvious here, because we are not "Official" instructors.

I have told countless new people about this site and I have answered questions for them in game as to how to do this and how to do that. I have added them to friends and told them if you have questions ask. Ive offered to take them in to a private server and show them more. Some have taken me up on that. Most never come back. We cant drag them here (or anywhere else), we cant force them to type in the URL to this site or to sign up and ask for help. We cant force them to put the necessary time in to learn it if they are not willing to meet us half way.

I have an advert on my server that says " Want to learn more about the game? Type "learn"". When they type "learn" it tells them about this place and even gives a link to this website. Have seen many type "learn" but I cant force them to click it and I cant force them to come here and actually put the time in. Many would just rather not be bothered.

All of what you suggest should be done and it has been and is being done. It only works if they ask or they accept if your offer. If they dont ask and they dont accept help then we cant do anything for them. Sorry but thats just the way it is.

You dont really need anything special to do what you are suggesting. I suggest that you do what we are doing. If you see someone that you think could use your help, offer. If they accept take them to an empty or private server and do it. If you see someone ask for help in the Help thread, respond. Use the resources here to your advantage. The link I posted can be a reference for you to teach or for anyone that wants to learn more about this game.

If you really feel serious about it, and you have the time as you say, just do it. It can only help the common cause right?

It is irrelevant what others think of me or my actions in an imaginary place. I guess I was pretty confused since your name is incredibly mis-leading and implies that the people here actually give a shit and can see a little farther than there lives working the drive through. In either case its clear that I am wasting my time here.

drugs problem

It is irrelevant what others think of me or my actions in an imaginary place. I guess I was pretty confused since your name is incredibly mis-leading and implies that the people here actually give a shit and can see a little farther than there lives working the drive through. In either case its clear that I am wasting my time here.

Now you're just a shitty troll, gtfo with that asshole attitude I babysit kids more mature than you enough of this crap you're a shitty troll, really bad at it.

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You can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. You get more cooperation when you arent acting like an asshole all the time......
If you actually paid attention you would know why my name is Paradox. But its painfully obvious that you dont have a goddamned clue.

Many of us are ALREADY DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING!! Its one of the reasons the game is still here. You are 3 years too late bud, its already happened. Just because YOU dont see it happening doesnt mean it doesnt. You take a shit every day, because we dont witness it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

What do you really want Sean? What is it exactly that you are expecting us to do?

Join your boot camp?
Stop playing altogether and just train train train?
Beg people accept help?
Tie them to a chair and force them to?
Give you the DMU website?
Make you an board member?
Our blessing?
Kiss your ass?

What?!!!

If you cant become more fucking coherent and specific about what it is you want with this rant, then yes its best if you just GTFO and stop wasting all of our time.

Oh how I enjoy the wonderful irony of ppl who post that they hate coming here and its a waste of time

I would update the site, but I am too busy flipping burgers IRL.

No I'm simply wasteing my time on people that fail to grasp complex concepts and have no reading comrehension.

the rise is complex because of the wonderful colors. the ride and surf is super complex because of the amazing speed. the down is also complex because you need to work the damn fingers to roll a last-one-before-long-forgetful-sleep. and then...dealing with the repercussions of using too much drugs in everyday life is well...pretty complex.

A suggestion; stop. get away for a while and quti seeing the people you do now. avoid fastfoods and sodas. don't get into a relationship and get a job somewhere unimportant. after a few months things will start to clear.
Life can be had.

Try to read this. i'm not kidding.

val

No I'm simply wasteing my time on people that fail to grasp complex concepts and have no reading comrehension.

Yep thats right you are a waste of time.

No I'm simply wasteing my time on people that fail to grasp complex concepts and have no reading comrehension.

nothing you have posted in this thread is complex. your original objective was, by your own admission, to get feedback on your idea. i think you have gotten that. let us know how your school is going. almost all subjects can be related to a Seinfeld episode, this one reminds me of the one where Kramer tells Jerry he is getting rid of all his furniture so he can build levels. Jerry bets him that he wont do it. Then Kramer says the bets off cause he's not doing the levels, but says he could do them if he wanted to. When all the while Jerry couldnt care less if Kramer actually did build the levels, and all Kramer was looking for was feedback and a reaction to his idea. you see where im going with this, or is that too complex?

Meh, ignoring sean for sec, HL2DM will allways have its ups and downs as far as activity goes, and i'll allways have tricks up my sleave.
Cryptic, i know.

I like turtles

Dont change the subject, and we all like turtles.

haha, complex, thats funny.(delayed response)

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meh...ausies

-.^?

Dont mess wit teh aussies.

I really don't know what this guy is talking about guys like walking target are putting in the spare time and even their money to run uni site the goals of the league are simple to help promote this great game. I’m sure not many would be up to the task and thanks to their hard work allot of guys can share ideas and learn allot here.

Though there is always more to do which reminds me stuff that needs sorting out on the site don't worry it’s not me whinnying but some useful comments on stuff that may need sorting out when there is time.

-front page needs a update last news update was March 5th, 2008 and some irc info in front of it. People visiting the site will think the site is dead by looking at the date of the last new post. May be you should place the map comp news or some of onti frag movie from source radio to give guys a taste of what hl2dm is about.

-also there some really good info hidden in the forums that can be really important they should be sticky for them.

I got as good as I am today by getting my ass whooped when I first started out.

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I really don't know what this guy is talking about guys like walking target are putting in the spare time and even their money to run uni site the goals of the league are simple to help promote this great game. I’m sure not many would be up to the task and thanks to their hard work allot of guys can share ideas and learn allot here.

Though there is always more to do which reminds me stuff that needs sorting out on the site don't worry it’s not me whinnying but some useful comments on stuff that may need sorting out when there is time.

-front page needs a update last news update was March 5th, 2008 and some irc info in front of it. People visiting the site will think the site is dead by looking at the date of the last new post. May be you should place the map comp news or some of onti frag movie from source radio to give guys a taste of what hl2dm is about.

-also there some really good info hidden in the forums that can be really important they should be sticky for them.

Yeah, I have been intending to update the site for a while. I just always seem to find something more appealing to do. If there are topics you think deserve stickied let me know and I'll take a look.

If there are topics you think deserve stickied let me know and I'll take a look.

yes. this

Please sticky neolinksters colored HUD topic it's getting buried more and more every day.

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... .php?t=464

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the rise is complex because of the wonderful colors. the ride and surf is super complex because of the amazing speed. the down is also complex because you need to work the damn fingers to roll a last-one-before-long-forgetful-sleep. and then...dealing with the repercussions of using too much drugs in everyday life is well...pretty complex.

A suggestion; stop. get away for a while and quti seeing the people you do now. avoid fastfoods and sodas. don't get into a relationship and get a job somewhere unimportant. after a few months things will start to clear.
Life can be had.

Try to read this. i'm not kidding.

val

I've also come to the same conclusions. I'm glad that I wasnt the only one...take life in as it comes, learn the basic skills you need to survive and go out there and MATURE. Another thing to consider, why do you think all of the ancient civilizations sent there kids on "Vision Quest's" and to face life and death situations?

TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL

No I'm simply wasteing my time on people that fail to grasp complex concepts and have no reading comrehension.

nothing you have posted in this thread is complex. your original objective was, by your own admission, to get feedback on your idea. i think you have gotten that. let us know how your school is going. almost all subjects can be related to a Seinfeld episode, this one reminds me of the one where Kramer tells Jerry he is getting rid of all his furniture so he can build levels. Jerry bets him that he wont do it. Then Kramer says the bets off cause he's not doing the levels, but says he could do them if he wanted to. When all the while Jerry couldnt care less if Kramer actually did build the levels, and all Kramer was looking for was feedback and a reaction to his idea. you see where im going with this, or is that too complex?

I've learned everything I need to know about life from Seinfeld.

I never implied it was complex. I think, if you yourself could actualy comprehend what is in front of you, you might be on the same level.

I might be a little paranoid but as soon as i read the first post i thought this guy might be grape taking the piss, but i went with it anyways XD
So, is it grape?
If not, theres some serious wtf'age going on there.

its not grape

I might be a little paranoid but as soon as i read the first post i thought this guy might be grape taking the piss, but i went with it anyways XD
So, is it grape?
If not, theres some serious wtf'age going on there.

No. I've known InFeRnO since before joining the U.

I'm not sure what I could add to this. It's always great playing you on socal, and the idea of a boot camp (like Opposing Force?) doesn't seem like a bad idea. I'm sure if the map turned out to be nice and you were VERY diplomatic about it, you might be able to convince WT to run it on the University Training Server or other servers with a similar interest.

But at every moment you seem to be burning your bridges. If you'd stop with the ranting and the chronic defensiveness, you wouldn't have people thinking you're a troll. I think it usually isn't other member's lack of reading comprehension, but your own. You're interpretation of the most benign of posts seems to follow whatever mood you happen to be in. I'm trying to think about what might be the problem in seeing a message for what it is but all I can advise as an annonymous friend on the Internet is to seriously cut back on the drugs, they aren't doing you any good. You read insults in posts that have no insults. Then you insult that person, that person insults you cause he can't leave it be, and you won't leave it be when he insults you back, so now you're in this viscious cycle that doesn't have a good ending.

I might be a little paranoid but as soon as i read the first post i thought this guy might be grape taking the piss, but i went with it anyways XD
So, is it grape?
If not, theres some serious wtf'age going on there.

No. I've known InFeRnO since before joining the U.

I'm not sure what I could add to this. It's always great playing you on socal, and the idea of a boot camp (like Opposing Force?) doesn't seem like a bad idea. I'm sure if the map turned out to be nice and you were VERY diplomatic about it, you might be able to convince WT to run it on the University Training Server or other servers with a similar interest.

But at every moment you seem to be burning your bridges. If you'd stop with the ranting and the chronic defensiveness, you wouldn't have people thinking you're a troll. I think it usually isn't other member's lack of reading comprehension, but your own. You're interpretation of the most benign of posts seems to follow whatever mood you happen to be in. I'm trying to think about what might be the problem in seeing a message for what it is but all I can advise as an annonymous friend on the Internet is to seriously cut back on the drugs, they aren't doing you any good. You read insults in posts that have no insults. Then you insult that person, that person insults you cause he can't leave it be, and you won't leave it be when he insults you back, so now you're in this viscious cycle that doesn't have a good ending.

Well perhaps if people just opened there minds a little bit none of this would be in issue. Drugs? Is that what you think I'm on? Hardly, its called living life. Try it out sometime.

I might be a little paranoid but as soon as i read the first post i thought this guy might be grape taking the piss, but i went with it anyways XD
So, is it grape?
If not, theres some serious wtf'age going on there.

No. I've known InFeRnO since before joining the U.

I'm not sure what I could add to this. It's always great playing you on socal, and the idea of a boot camp (like Opposing Force?) doesn't seem like a bad idea. I'm sure if the map turned out to be nice and you were VERY diplomatic about it, you might be able to convince WT to run it on the University Training Server or other servers with a similar interest.

But at every moment you seem to be burning your bridges. If you'd stop with the ranting and the chronic defensiveness, you wouldn't have people thinking you're a troll. I think it usually isn't other member's lack of reading comprehension, but your own. You're interpretation of the most benign of posts seems to follow whatever mood you happen to be in. I'm trying to think about what might be the problem in seeing a message for what it is but all I can advise as an annonymous friend on the Internet is to seriously cut back on the drugs, they aren't doing you any good. You read insults in posts that have no insults. Then you insult that person, that person insults you cause he can't leave it be, and you won't leave it be when he insults you back, so now you're in this viscious cycle that doesn't have a good ending.

Well perhaps if people just opened there minds a little bit none of this would be in issue. Drugs? Is that what you think I'm on? Hardly, its called living life. Try it out sometime.

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Life costs money, and if u want a REAL life DONT WORK LIKE A CHUMP XD

Well perhaps if people just opened there minds a little bit none of this would be in issue. Drugs? Is that what you think I'm on? Hardly, its called living life. Try it out sometime.

Drugs was a shot in the dark. I'm sorry. Fumes then? you live close to an active volcano.


Live life ... could work. Like a robot shooting your face and telling you, you are dying, you are running out of life, find health. That could fit in with the boot camp what we're giving advice for.

Post traumatic Syndrome from IRAQ is a more likely culprit.

Go easy folks.

Sean has good intentions.
He just has a hard time relating them.

He is a good guy who has some issues, understandably!

Iraq? Damn boy, well you a hero in my book. Really I was out of line with the fumes from a volcano comment. I thought it was an obvious joke but it's hard to tell.


C ya in the game and best o' luck.

Anyone ever try replacing the word "God" in the bible with "I" and reading it? Makes sense. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Hey guize, what's going on in here?

Anyone ever try replacing the word "God" in the bible with "I" and reading it? Makes sense. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Can't say I have, although I have considered replacing it with something and nothing.

Actualy it was just a psychotic manic episode. Sorry!

Actually, what he's saying makes sense. I get where you're coming from. I, personally, learned my DM from playing through 9/10s of HL2 and ep. 1 using only the Grav gun and crowbar

Oh, and playing crowded killboxes without using a zooka (GASp!)