Killbox League

I think it's more than time to erase the line that has been separating killboxers and DMers.

Too many players has been playing, days after days, years after years, a game they're good at it. HL2DM. But they've been looked upon by "the mass" who decided how is the game meant to be played.

Killboxes and Deathmatches are like days and night and yet it's the same game.

I want killboxers, and killbox mappers, and killbox servers to feel a breath of fresh air.

Getting more player to visit the U by giving the league a forum section would attract alot of players here, new friendships, new alliances, new challenges, new horizons, new maps, sharing knowledges...

Too many clans and players forgotten, with no way to rise. It's time to unite and accept the game as a whole.

I dream of seeing a beanbot server running dm_lostarena because they got to know all of us a bit more and they want to experiment, and then seeing [server you're used to play on] running a killbox!

Killbox name has also been ruined by the way people remember it. IMO kbh_b2 isn't "Teh killbox zomg" there's tons of really well worked, balanced, good looking, nice FPS, enjoyable killboxes to play out there, that no one knows about.

I want clans like XS {rAc} thc* [KBH] TSGK and much more, to get what they deserve.

Your opinion count alot. Please discuss.

i like this idea alot
im sure i can ge alot of my fellow clan mates to get in this aswell

it would be a great fun and an awsome expirence xD

~Luigi

Kudos to you. There are some very good players on the Killbox side. Very good.
I think your idea is good as there are already some Killbox players playing with the "U" crowd. Lets extend that development.

And lets all admit Dome and Donut...rock and you folks are there! Admit it. You know who you are.

And it's funny to think we felt like reverting and coming to learn all the stock maps to play the "leet" guys
It's a good idea though.

Agreed, good points.
Since it seems killboxes are more prevalent than regular maps these days it only makes sense to unite at the U.
In fact I just played a killbox the other day that I thought was great, it had some things that most don't and strategies could be used : dm_lost_base_b2 check it out.

One of the reasons this site exists as a matter of fact.

I agree

I'd play if some of Valar's maps were in it. The guy makes damn good killboxes/arenas.

how about unbanning me from the tsgk servers so i don't have to get on my other steam account to play on them

but yeah pretty much the only times i play this game are for cal matches and killbox

Lol... How did you get banned at TSGK!?!?!
Those folks are so cool and nice. Ohh...!
You did realize they are mostly Europeans, didn't you?
They don't like the Tally ho crap! lol

Walking Target wrote:One of the reasons this site exists as a matter of fact.

ya, the reason the community is as big as it is right now is because of killbox players.
It is also a good way for players to start the game or just chill out and shot some guns. I know i quti and didn't intend on coming back. But after pubbing tsgk a few times and it always being full got me back into the game, at least having fun pubbing again.


I'd like to see some killmaps instead of just boxes, maybe like what punk said, but just open it up a bit and use jump-pads and teleports keep flow even though that map is massive.

I have been playing on getting a few killbox maps on 'the war room' server, right after i clean up all the crappie maps from the old days.

i am agreeable to this topic, im not like the rest of the guys in XS or rAc, but i still do enjoy my killbox, just like i enjoy my deathmatch maps

iam down when i get back from holiday.

Few things :

1. Set up a temp. section on the forum, sorta like the draft night, so ppl can sign up.
2. If enough ppl do, then we will make 3 and so forth.
3. ?????

Or make the killbox thing part of the draft thingi, in order to eliminate the differences.

snipeIT wrote: 1. Set up a temp. section on the forum, sorta like the draft night, so ppl can sign up.
2. If enough ppl do, then we will make 3 and so forth.
3. ?????

Or make the killbox thing part of the draft thingi, in order to eliminate the differences.

Yea forum section would be a must.

Clans that has been contacted so far last night are:

<bean-bot> MaX IWU lWARl gotg gdawwg EYE TD:

message has been spammed in all the eastern/central killbox servers around 23h and I plan on doing it some more.

Now for the forum section, we could split a killbox section into "match settings discussions" and "suggest maps" or something so everyone can express themselves with the map/gravity for matches.

expect alot of new registrated users this week, I hope

Great idea .con

the EYE clan is fully behind this and you conflict are a very clever bastard.

Con, ill be down to help manage this league with ya.

@ WT

Can you hook up the forum section ?

PM me please conflict with more information, I am a bit confused as to the scope of what you are trying to achieve here.

I'm not going to be optimistic cause all killbox leagues have failed, but I can run the league through CAL if I have some admins. Once again your biggest hurdle will be getting any 2 killbox clans to agree on settings for the league. Low grav, high grav, whatever, maps and so on. But CAL has the back end platform to run the league. I will give it a shot if you think it will work.

Ok killboxers, you heard the man, here is your shot at a legit and supported killbox league.

Warning from me...proceed with caution. If you do not unite as a community and have admins that are respected by the larger killbox community, this will surely fail.

So....

Before you decide to rant/bitch/give your 2 cents at any point in this discussion, I highly recommend you stop and think about what you are saying and how it contributes, as it will affect the odds of this league succeeding. We need to take a lesson from the ctf league attempt.

why not instead of posting big warnings for ppl who most probably have no clue what are the wanning referring to (past experience and whathaveyou had there); why not get such clans who ARE interested and wants to be serious about it hooked up and just take it from there.
this way this thing can pick up and create hype with time and not fail on the getgo.

i think clans like EYE (this i know lol), KBH, OFC, TSGK, MAX, etc will most definitely be serious about such a league.

i asked a CU admin how there 2v2 killbox league is going, and he said it is going well.

but ya gotta hype it up with all the kb clans, maybe run a test ladder through the forums to test the different styles, before sending it to cal. Build up hype for it for sure.

Actually, Karange, from wgg, myself, and a few others have been trying to create something like this. He was still working out details when I left, which it's been about 2 weeks since then so i don't know whats going on with it but the group is here:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TKCL

Its low grav, but i'm sure we could setup norm grav killbox as well, depends.

Karnage and I have been trying to get this idea to take off for awhile. He has a nice .cfg ready to roll. We created a steam group called The Killbox Clan League. We have a very unpopular =) forum here http://tkcl.2ksite.com/ We've had many clans verbally commit and several in the group all ready. We started to take votes from clan leaders on maps and settings but Karnage took a vacation and I was taken hostage by COD4. I can step up the efforts on my end if need be or help anyone else who has a better idea.

lol....didn't know u posted Edge. Freakin Thunder thief = )

[EYE] Valar wrote:why not instead of posting big warnings for ppl who most probably have no clue what are the wanning referring to (past experience and whathaveyou had there); why not get such clans who ARE interested and wants to be serious about it hooked up and just take it from there.
this way this thing can pick up and create hype with time and not fail on the getgo.

i think clans like EYE (this i know lol), KBH, OFC, TSGK, MAX, etc will most definitely be serious about such a league.

I don't want to promote and get people excited about something that does not yet exist. Fearsome is offering the chance for the killbox community to have a division in CAL. If it is not handled correctly, it wont happen. First step is not bringing in all the killbox clans, it is getting admins who are mature enough and committed to run it. Then once the league is a reality, we would want to promote it like crazy to bring in the players.

The reference to learning from our mistakes is intended for those who were involved in CAL when the ctf division was started, and they all know exactly what I am taking about (on both sides of the fence btw).

Me saying that CAL would need admins that the wider killbox community respects is a legitimate concern. If the wrong people take the job, the league will be dead before it begins.

EDIT: I think that I have heard or read somewhere that KBH and TSGK have "no league play" policies in place that would prevent them from participating, although I do not know for certain. Maybe someone from those clans could clarify for us.

CTF was a bit rushed and we really had no guidelines as to what people wanted until it was too late.

Well ive been killboxing for like 3 years now.

From my own exp. I can say that there is only one map that plays decently (1v1 only), and that is kbh_2.
And maybe add aim_arena.

As far as the league goes it should be a 1v1 layout, no killbox imo is suitable for 2v2(or higher). If cals gonna be running it, it would make sense to just use the CAL config. Maybe make a revised version of kbh_2 for cal to fix the sv_pure error from the textures. dm_killbox_kbh_2_cal (I am sure keeper is aware of what i am talking about.)

I don't think it would be wise if it contains low grav, as it would eliminate any chances for advancement movement.

As far as admining the league, I do not know what responsibilities it includes, so if someone could clarify via pm or here it would be nice.

We are not against league play. What we normally don't do is clan battles. Pissing matches clanwide become ugly, as I'm sure most of you know.

However, since three reasons we haven't really entered any kind of organized killbox play.

1) There really hasn't been any.
2) Most of us are really not competitive.
3) Killboxes generally don't lend themselves to anything more than 1v1s (as snipe stated).

That being said, some might be interested in playing. I would have to ask.

Walking Target wrote:

[EYE] Valar wrote:why not instead of posting big warnings for ppl who most probably have no clue what are the wanning referring to (past experience and whathaveyou had there); why not get such clans who ARE interested and wants to be serious about it hooked up and just take it from there.
this way this thing can pick up and create hype with time and not fail on the getgo.

i think clans like EYE (this i know lol), KBH, OFC, TSGK, MAX, etc will most definitely be serious about such a league.

I don't want to promote and get people excited about something that does not yet exist. Fearsome is offering the chance for the killbox community to have a division in CAL. If it is not handled correctly, it wont happen. First step is not bringing in all the killbox clans, it is getting admins who are mature enough and committed to run it. Then once the league is a reality, we would want to promote it like crazy to bring in the players.

The reference to learning from our mistakes is intended for those who were involved in CAL when the ctf division was started, and they all know exactly what I am taking about (on both sides of the fence btw).

Me saying that CAL would need admins that the wider killbox community respects is a legitimate concern. If the wrong people take the job, the league will be dead before it begins.

EDIT: I think that I have heard or read somewhere that KBH and TSGK have "no league play" policies in place that would prevent them from participating, although I do not know for certain. Maybe someone from those clans could clarify for us.

i should have been clearer WT. i have no doubt yours and fearsome's intentions and concerns are legitimate. what i'm saying is many people including myself are not aware of past experiences and kind of read that post as a bit of "well you better behave yourselves or else.." and basically don't really know what it's about.
...now that "history" has been explained it makes much more sense
so all in good will eh.

on the same note. i do agree with snipe and keeper that regular KBs are only good for 1vs1 - we might want to extend this league to more than regular killboxes.
aim arena is not a killbox. i think we should brainstorm this a bit more. there are arena maps and more complex KBs out there. they might fit in here very nicely allowing for more than 1vs1 matches to happen.

your thoughts...

Keeper wrote: 3) Killboxes generally don't lend themselves to anything more than 1v1s (as snipe stated).

True enough but on the other hand, if most kb clans are aware of such league, we'll see revised versions of popular maps and new maps as well, leading to killboxes with a teamplay layout in mind. imho.

Maybe start with a 1v1 league first, then if we find that it was successful, do a map contest, get a killbox map, then do a team league.

I was just thinking of playing Redeyez and Hydro in a 2v2. IF they both got mags in KHB_2 you shouldn't even respawn

Being true to killbox design, I just don't see how you could make anything > than a 1v1 possible. But I'm not really a good map designer. Although my 1 map ( mover ) might be able to be changed from a mover to a bigger killbox design without the gimmicks. Spawn points in there are better than a regular killbox.

Charles wrote:CTF was a bit rushed and we really had no guidelines as to what people wanted until it was too late.

the main reason it died, i think was because no one wanted that 2fort r1.

Blasphemy Squad wrote:

Charles wrote:CTF was a bit rushed and we really had no guidelines as to what people wanted until it was too late.

the main reason it died, i think was because no one wanted that 2fort r1.

Lets not get into the details and start it all up again. The point is that the community was divided and we do not want that to happen again.

That too.

So if you're changing anything other than cosmetics, be careful.

Things that need to be fixed in kbh_2 :

1. sv_pure errors
2. remove all slams

I already fixed the sv_pure 2 problems. Why are slams a bad thing? other than the times when you get some nut always placing them on the spawn points?

Walking Target wrote:

Blasphemy Squad wrote:

Charles wrote:CTF was a bit rushed and we really had no guidelines as to what people wanted until it was too late.

the main reason it died, i think was because no one wanted that 2fort r1.

Lets not get into the details and start it all up again. The point is that the community was divided and we do not want that to happen again.

Blasphemy Squad wrote:

I'd be interested as to what kinds of killbox maps people would play for this league. Perhaps this whole thing will promote more teams to play "high grav" and have them stop thinking that playing in 233.56 gravity at fue_ourhandmadeclanservermap and beating... say... a 450 gravity clan means they must be the best clan in the universe.

It is going to be very hard to get all the killbox players to agree on things like grav,maps, and settings.
So if you want to proceed with this, set up the rules just like a normal cal match. The people that want to play will
do so regardless of grav, map or settings, and the ones that still want to bitch weren't serious about playing
anyway.

snuffymckiller wrote:It is going to be very hard to get all the killbox players to agree on things like grav,maps, and settings.
So if you want to proceed with this, set up the rules just like a normal cal match. The people that want to play will
do so regardless of grav, map or settings, and the ones that still want to bitch weren't serious about playing
anyway.

We can all expect many clans ing after losing one match and leaving, but hey, that'll weed out all the non-"serious" players.

Id recommend these for competitive 1v1:

dm_killbox_kbh_el_1
dm_killbox_ultra

Both are reasonably sized for 2 players, have a decent amount of props, cover and z-axis, and have both balanced weapons layouts and a balanced kill ratio across the various weapons. Ultra was made for 600g, and El plays well from 600 down to 375.

Anyhow, thatll be the extent of my involvement with this (though ill join if it becomes a reality). Good luck!

I would be down to play in a killbox league for the fuck of it.

[EYE] Valar wrote:why not instead of posting big warnings for ppl who most probably have no clue what are the wanning referring to (past experience and whathaveyou had there); why not get such clans who ARE interested and wants to be serious about it hooked up and just take it from there.
this way this thing can pick up and create hype with time and not fail on the getgo.

i think clans like EYE (this i know lol), KBH, OFC, TSGK, MAX, etc will most definitely be serious about such a league.

The reason for comments is because at one time I forced Ko Tao to put a killbox into the CAL 1v1. The idea was to get killbox players to play as they complained their was no killbox and that was why they did not play. Some people went around and spammed various killbox clan sites and server to get them to join. That I know of not 1 player joined, if one did it never played a match. Various complaints from regular grav to whatever came in. Killbox was then removed from the league.
I do not think TSGk will join contrary to you, their leader has made comments that no TSGK member is allowed to compete and they claim to be a strictly non competitive clan. He also has done various things in opposition to HL2DM U. It seems he wants nothing to do with the U or leagues and for unknown reasons. OFC is another doubtful. I don't really consider them a killbox clan and the few members that do compete have to join other teams to do so. They have rampant paranoia that I and others cheat.
While only time will tell, to me 50% of the definite interest you list is a very long shot in the dark. Im not sure you understand the killbox community, or perhaps it is I who does not understand.

Anyhow my offer stands unlike the team play leagues I completely wash my hands of any influence I will only provide access the the suite of league tools CAL has. The killbox admins can run it all any way they please, high grav low grav whatever. And we will really see if the killbox community is just missing the settings they need or they simply have no interest in playing each other or anyone else. The next CAL season starts on the 27th for 1v1 if someone is going to pull this together they should start moving on it.

Blasphemy Squad wrote:I would be down to play in a killbox league for the fuck of it.

So will I, and I like 600 and 400 grav for killbox play so either would be fine by me, anything below 400 would be

Fearsome* wrote:

[EYE] Valar wrote:why not instead of posting big warnings for ppl who most probably have no clue what are the wanning referring to (past experience and whathaveyou had there); why not get such clans who ARE interested and wants to be serious about it hooked up and just take it from there.
this way this thing can pick up and create hype with time and not fail on the getgo.

i think clans like EYE (this i know lol), KBH, OFC, TSGK, MAX, etc will most definitely be serious about such a league.

The reason for comments is because at one time I forced Ko Tao to put a killbox into the CAL 1v1. The idea was to get killbox players to play as they complained their was no killbox and that was why they did not play. Some people went around and spammed various killbox clan sites and server to get them to join. That I know of not 1 player joined, if one did it never played a match. Various complaints from regular grav to whatever came in. Killbox was then removed from the league.
I do not think TSGk will join contrary to you, their leader has made comments that no TSGK member is allowed to compete and they claim to be a strictly non competitive clan. He also has done various things in opposition to HL2DM U. It seems he wants nothing to do with the U or leagues and for unknown reasons. OFC is another doubtful. I don't really consider them a killbox clan and the few members that do compete have to join other teams to do so. They have rampant paranoia that I and others cheat.
While only time will tell, to me 50% of the definite interest you list is a very long shot in the dark. Im not sure you understand the killbox community, or perhaps it is I who does not understand.

Anyhow my offer stands unlike the team play leagues I completely wash my hands of any influence I will only provide access the the suite of league tools CAL has. The killbox admins can run it all any way they please, high grav low grav whatever. And we will really see if the killbox community is just missing the settings they need or they simply have no interest in playing each other or anyone else. The next CAL season starts on the 27th for 1v1 if someone is going to pull this together they should start moving on it.

I’ve named these clans not after talking to their admins but from seeing so many from these clans regularly playing killbox and arena maps on EYE servers.
And as I said before – now that I know about what had happened before with this league I truly understand where you guys are coming from.
I also never knew that about TSGK and OFC. Sorry to hear that. some very talented folk will be missed in such a league.

L2k wrote:

Blasphemy Squad wrote:I would be down to play in a killbox league for the fuck of it.

So will I, and I like 600 and 400 grav for killbox play so either would be fine by me, anything below 400 would be

I feel the same way.

Fearsome* wrote:I do not think TSGk will join contrary to you, their leader has made comments that no TSGK member is allowed to compete and they claim to be a strictly non competitive clan. He also has done various things in opposition to HL2DM U. It seems he wants nothing to do with the U or leagues and for unknown reasons.

That is not true really.

The issue comes in where non competitive clans like TSGK and KBH have members who want to play competitively. We don't restrict any league participation, we just don't do it as a clan.

There are no rules at TSGK or KBH about members playing in leagues - killbox or otherwise.

Keep,

My reference is a post Joe made on your forums saying it is not permitted and KBH is strictly for fun. I don't know if it is still relevant, but I have always taken it to be a "rule".

I don't know anything about TSGK, but without Osiris here to clarify it is likely speculation. Ghostdog might be able to find out for sure if TSGK would back a CAL killbox league.

Clock is ticking for this though, anyone interested in taking this on? We have been working on a killbox mappack for dmu, that might help get the map decisions started. If nobody else steps up, I may consider taking the job initially.

I actually talked with Osiris today. It's not an issue for members to play. Joe says the same thing.

What Joe had issues with is members scheduling clan matches. With our history that has never ended well.

But where TSGK has the policy that you can't use the tag in league play, KBH does not. In fact there are some TSGK members in CAL. They either have a different name, or just drop the tag.

So, yes, we are in favor of it as far as individual members playing, but I don't think you'd see a clan poster from TSGK for any map udpates

Got too much on my hands ATM to take it on, but I will play.

I rest my case.

But I would much rather have the people them self making the points. One of my main problems is when people make statements for other clans or people. In this case the exact reasons and feelings of the killbox clans are mostly relayed indirectly to this board why wouldn't Osiris just make an account and come here and post? What about Joe? It seems the leaders of 2 of the bigger organizations in the game would want to be part of probably the biggest organization in the game to help.

In this case you can get skew and the chances of such a league taking off are slim given the players who are making input all seem to be just the CAL regulars.

TBH, I'm running KBH day to day. Joe is basically retired, but still takes an interest in the clan.

Can't answer for Osiris, but he and I talk a lot, so I just asked him

But you are right, instead of getting second hand info, best to get posts from the people themselves. But in KBH's case, that's me.

Theres some pretty hardcore and skilled players I see in the KBH server on a daily basis, I don't see them in regular servers much at all if ever. Regardless of whether TSGK or KBH as a clan or team supported the Killbox league, it still seems that there would be enough players to compete, whether they are associated with anyone or not.

I know it was tried before but what may have been a turnoff to these guys last time was the potential to have to play a regular map and at stock settings. If they all knew it was gonna be a killbox only type map and possibly 400 grav, they might think differently about it this time. Another thing to keep in mind is that just like anything the first time you start it, its gonna take some time to gain momentum and popularity as well as work out kinks or problems with it.

With any luck, some people from WGG would play in this, I know I would, probably wgg karange when he gets back, boolsheet and a few others.

I'm up for a Killbox League...

Because of my disability I'm limited on my playing movements, and I find that killboxes are the only types of maps im decent at. Plus, I do map designing and things for the STK clan, and I'd be willing to design a couple of maps.

If this comes to life, are there going to be any limits on what is & isn't allowed? I only ask for the sake of reflecting back on my disability. Because I can only use one or two fingers on my right hand, I have a mouse and I have a jump+duck bind key that I use. Thats the only thing that I see that might limit me is if I was not not allowed to use this.

thanks for your time,
(STK) Webcoder

We generally run only Killbox maps on our servers, but sometimes will switch it up. I think some of our members may be interested in this league, but I can see some reasons why they would be hesitant. First, a Killbox environment has a more open free for all feel to begin with. When you start editing maps to make them more "teamplay" friendly, you end up with a a completely different atmosphere. If a league is going to be set up, it has to be run by people who enjoy Killbox maps, and that style of play. I know its been mentioned a few times that almost all killbox maps are only suitable for 1 vs. 1, but yet many clans run team deathmatch servers with Killbox maps. The 1 vs. 1 is a non issue for us, because the faults you guys may see in a map are something we learn to overcome.

I think a Killbox League is a grand idea, but too many rules, and regulations, or changes in maps will get rid of that free for all Killbox feel. Thats just my $.02.

Other leagues have run TDM killbox, and I have scrimmed a few matches that way. I actually like it better than 1v1, which to me often feels like a "who can reach the mag first and shoot best" match.

I would like to see it go 2v2 personally. Easier to schedule than 3v3 and up, one 1v1 division is sufficient IMO. I also see no reason not to include low gravity as an option, we have three other divisions running at stock.

before we're moving out of topic ... the league is not about who is against the league its about who is FOR the league. let's concentrate on those.
we should move this forward, we don't need to get clan admins behind anything. here is what i suggest we do :

two things..

1) Create a forum section dedicated to the Killbox League. it will serve two purposes:
A. Provide a place for people to sign up for the KBLeague.
B. Host discussions related to KBLeague

2) Have the U officals discuss and decide what maps are played, rules, etc. - why? simple:
Let people make these decisions and it will all go down in flames in two minutes. people love to argue and this thread is vivid proof. The University ALREADY has a board of officials and within the board there are people who play and know Killboxes and what Killboxes are about. a slightly different approach than stock style maps is required here.

I run a very busy life but i will devote all my online time to help this come alive. Let's start moving the KBLeague forward. CAL is not being run by major clans admins and so this league should not be waiting for those ghosts to apear so let's just forget about them.

This post was written with the intention to move this thing forward in mind - not to argue with anyone or anything so please read it this way

Good points Valar, I agree.

Valar are you saying you would be interested in admining the league for CAL? If so please PM Fearsome and let him know your interested in doing it.
From my experience it will take anywhere from 2-4 hrs a week to do depending on whats going on.

Hello all - a few familiar faces in here

Good luck with your project. I'm sure many in TSGK will be interested in it.

I was sent this link from a member who was surprised that TSGK had a policy about not allowing members to join. Firstly, only a TSGK member can really state for certain what rules apply to our team. Some of the contributors are at best misinformed about our policy while others have been more accurate.

We do not have any problem with members playing in any league. However, they can not wear the TSGK tag. There are many leagues and competitions and it's only prudent that the team's management validate ones we're officially involved with. There are many we're not involved with, quite often simply due to time constraints. Again, any member can enter anything they want, and good luck to them. That's official.

I don't know why some follks are adding 1 and 1 together and getting 3. Again, they could just be misinformed. I don't know to be honest as I don't know them, perhaps they use a different name ingame. This is the first I've heard about this league. I'm not aware of us being asked about it. We have a forum also, and I don't recall mention of it there. I think this thread was throwing an idea out before taking any actions so that probably explains it. As for Osiris having a problem with HL2DMU... Woahh! Where'd that come from? - not him I bet! This is very far from the truth as I think a lot of you would know.

Anyway - best of luck to the project. And nice forum - keep up the great work.

Diet H2O_TSGK

That is completely true.

Welcome friend.

L2k wrote:Good points Valar, I agree.

Valar are you saying you would be interested in admining the league for CAL? If so please PM Fearsome and let him know your interested in doing it.
From my experience it will take anywhere from 2-4 hrs a week to do depending on whats going on.

just did. still not sure what admining it entails exactly.

[EYE] Valar wrote:

L2k wrote:Good points Valar, I agree.

Valar are you saying you would be interested in admining the league for CAL? If so please PM Fearsome and let him know your interested in doing it.
From my experience it will take anywhere from 2-4 hrs a week to do depending on whats going on.

just did. still not sure what admining it entails exactly.

Admining it entails:
Contributing ideas that will structure the league
Suggesting rules that will structure the league
Suggesting and approving of maps to be used
Suggesting and approving of settings to be used based on yours and community input
Using the CAL system to post relevant news, deadlines
Using the CAL forums to answer questions and post relevant info
Using the CAL system to schedule weekly matches
Resolving disputes
Setting up the brackets and managing the playoffs
Announcing winners at end of season

Is this gonna happen?

Would be cool

yes it is.

Any idea when??

tlc wrote:how about unbanning me from the tsgk servers so i don't have to get on my other steam account to play on them

but yeah pretty much the only times i play this game are for cal matches and killbox

ya why would that be??

HAHAHAHAA!! Mulekick "HOT"
Thats what im talkin about.

How about playin as "Im so British, i shit the Queen"!
That must go over well with the Brits.

tlc's quote is hilarious >.<

so i'd say this might have failed because of the way conflict made it sound. Maybe it was ok to say it this way here. But to copy paste it to the Killbox/low grav teams rubbed them the wrong way. They don't know the you enjoy killboxes conflict, So they don't understand your intentions.

I think Im confused Nino, whatcu talkin about willis

Hence my initial warning.

i mean we all know conflict plays mostly Killboxes now, But these other clans don't know him from admin.

So this copy paste he sent to all these clans; to them sounds like. Hey nubs your doing it wrong.

Idk go look at the reactions, It's a good idea just put out the wrong way. There are a lot of good players a few have joined the top ranks of the dm community and some could come a wreck shop in stock if they tried, but like stock players going to low grav / Killbox they are use to playing one way and it is very fun.

Keeper wrote:I already fixed the sv_pure 2 problems. Why are slams a bad thing? other than the times when you get some nut always placing them on the spawn points?

Slams don't even work if they are placed DIRECTLY on the spawn. I place them a tad in front, but that's your fault if you are too aggressive and just run out and die. ;D

ninojman wrote:i mean we all know conflict plays mostly Killboxes now, But these other clans don't know him from admin.

So this copy paste he sent to all these clans; to them sounds like. Hey nubs your doing it wrong.

Idk go look at the reactions, It's a good idea just put out the wrong way. There are a lot of good players a few have joined the top ranks of the dm community and some could come a wreck shop in stock if they tried, but like stock players going to low grav / Killbox they are use to playing one way and it is very fun.

I tought I mostly pointed out how uniting together would make an actual league happen, I'm not ''mostly playing killboxes now'', I won't be admining this league if it happens as I retire myself from being an ''Instructor'' as well.

I hoped to make what I tought was the right choice for the community of HL2DM, maybe in a wrong way (my bad?) Hopefully people didn't took it the wrong way and knew my true intentions. The link has been done, the word has spread around, now people will have to interact with each other in a cooperative way (wich is probably the rarest thing to happen over internet) and I wish it works out in the end.

GL&HF

I think the idea is to shoot for next CAL season, it's too soon this time around.

At the risk of sounding stooooopid, when do the seasons start/end? Is it a twice a year thing? quarterly?

How much work is it exactly to run it correctly? I know the requirements for running it were posted, but in my experience to get something to run right, you have to put about 2.5x the minimum effort for it to be successful.

There is no set number per year afaik. The next season starts when the last on is over and the admins are ready for the next.

This season started yesterday, hence aiming for next season for killbox.

Walking Target wrote:I think the idea is to shoot for next CAL season, it's too soon this time around.

Ya it'd be good to setup everything, and most will be new to CAL and league play so they will have to sign-up etc.

ninojman wrote:

Walking Target wrote:I think the idea is to shoot for next CAL season, it's too soon this time around.

Ya it'd be good to setup everything, and most will be new to CAL and league play so they will have to sign-up etc.

You're all invited to join our Killbox League steam group and we will post updates as we go..
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/KillboxLeague

thx,
val