New Divisions in CAL

There are now Open and Main divisions for CAL 1v1, 2v2 and 4v4. Rosters are open, go sign up or restructure your teams.

wewt signed up for open 1v1

split up a league with barely any teams already. good job.

That's the thing about listening to the community. Damned if you and damned if you don't.
I like this actually, main can't get spammed with one trick CS players.

ya thanks for being a you know what pb, seemed people mostly wanted this to happen and we are trying it under the idea that there is some significant amount of teams that do not play because they do not like to get hammered by the top teams. If it does not work we can recombine the divisions. Currently anyone who wants to sign up for the upper division can. It is up to teams to decide on their own if they can handle the upper division or not.

open here i come.

Ugh, i feel this can possibly create some problems, but we'll see. but I don't think there is near enough teams in cal to seperate each division in 2.

Well the community complained about it constantly, now I gotta hear how doing what I was asked to do is wrong. Was not my idea. Like WT said damned if you do damned if you don't.
For right now everyone can pick where they want to go. However if there is a problem the admins of the league can move a player up to main or just stop scheduling them. Our hope is people will be mature enough to fit them self into the right place. And we will not have to go through technicalities of how to choose players which will still surely end up placing some good players in the open division. Also even if 1 or 2 players fairly good are in the open division hopefully only playing them once or twice will not ruin the season for you.
Also is it a terrible crime if you have to play the same team twice in a season if its small? Most of us scrim the same team over and over on the side anyway.

Well, if were going to try this, i'll suggest an idea. I've played cal in css before, and they have cal open, cal invite, cal intermediate, and cal main. what they did was, when cal first started for css, they placed ALL teams in cal open, and then judging upon each team's score (end of season) they placed the teams in each division. so you might want to do that with hl2dm also.

Its worth a shot. I suspect that 4v4 wont have enough to stay as 2 divisions. But we had 50 teams start 2v2 last season and 16 finished so that should be big enough.

There is a difference between our system and CS. CS creates multiple divisions more to protect the upper teams from the riff raff below constant FLs, cheaters and so on. And because they have thousands of teams. They also used it for CPL seeding. Our point is exactly the opposite we are looking to make a division which gives lower calibur teams a place to play where they do not have to compete with high level teams that will out score them 10:1. Because we are told teams do not compete because of the high skill differential. And because we dont have enough lower calibur teams to let the current scheduler give them good matches.

CS requires you to basically do a season in order to move up a division. So you must basically nail at top place in open to move to main, and then main to move to premier, and then to invite. We dont want to exclude a new teams which is good from playing in main. We are more likely to just tell a team that is good they cant play in Open. How this would work in HL2DM is a team like blas and invx who rename themself every season would have to play open first. And of course because I did not make playoffs in 1v1 I would have to rocket whore the open 1v1 division for a season or so not that I am the greatest player but do you really want me rocket whoring open?

All I am saying is generally I think each team out there has a good idea of where they stand. And I am going to leave it up to them to choose where they want to be for the first season. If it becomes a problem we can force teams to move. Maybe we should give the captains of the open division the ability to vote and force a team up to main with a nomination as well. But just keep in mind our system is not the same as CS.

Great stuff, pb was mad. But I explained it to him of how it will be a good thing for the league in general and make the main and open seasons more fun for everyone. Getting up by 20 points in under 5 minutes then just running around for 15 minutes is no fun for anyone.

However I'm not sure about the format. Don't look at css, but dods. dods is smaller then css and like hl2dm if a team is too good they can get a lead in 5 minutes that you can't get back from and you have to play 2 rounds of 20minutes. Css doesn't matter because the match can be over in 7 minutes if the team is a lot better in skill then the other. Season 4 or 5 of dods this team from dod 1.3 that never played dods joined open. All the admins knew they were good so they moved them up to invite after playing preseason, and the team went on to beat the 4 time defending Invite dods champs. Good move on the admins parts since they didn't belong in open

"And of course because I did not make playoffs in 1v1 I would have to rocket whore the open 1v1 division for a season or so not that I am the greatest player but do you really want me rocket whoring open?"

I've told you 100 times this doesn't have to be the system, move up the good players from open by hand. If someone destroys the competition in preseason or first 4 weeks in open move them up. It doesn't have to be done based on only the people that made playoffs. Do it on skill
4v4 I'd would mind seeing $w,flas,911,ewr,mfya for main (although the upper division should be even). If cyn comes back in full force move them straight to main don't let them play open for a season.

Also don't make more work for you because every bs css player will join main if it is a choice. Maybe do a longer preseason to figure out where people should be.

ninojman wrote:I've told you 100 times this doesn't have to be the system, move up the good players from open by hand. If someone destroys the competition in preseason or first 4 weeks in open move them up. It doesn't have to be done based on only the people that made playoffs. Do it on skill.

does the team being moved take their existing record with them? how would that work?

CellarDweller wrote:

ninojman wrote:I've told you 100 times this doesn't have to be the system, move up the good players from open by hand. If someone destroys the competition in preseason or first 4 weeks in open move them up. It doesn't have to be done based on only the people that made playoffs. Do it on skill.

does the team being moved take their existing record with them? how would that work?

Generally when you get moved up/down you do not take your record with you. You can do make-ups if you have the time. But that doesn't mean admins couldn't make it so teams keep their record I believe it was done one season in dods.

Top 8, 1v1 returners

Tim "Poor_Billy" Page
Jorge "Infusion" Mier
Shaun "Ko-Tao" Rattray
William "Da11aS" Burwell
Zephyr "Zman.flaS" Cady
Jesse "ninojman" Bell
Rudolph "Fearsome*" Sloup
Steve " Punk" Guyer

Idk what happen to confused but if he would rejoin just move him up. And like Ko said before, if seag or luke joins or any player worthy of a move up do it without waiting for that 52-3 score

Which 1v1 division should I join?

badinfluence wrote:Which 1v1 division should I join?

Killbox

I mean, open or main. ; P

Considering the admins and everyone else knows everyone, I'd say the admins make a judgment call before preseason starts on who belongs where.

Fearsome* wrote: CS requires you to basically do a season in order to move up a division. So you must basically nail at top place in open to move to main, and then main to move to premier, and then to invite.

whats premier? i think you got it twisted cause first its open then intermediate and from there its main and finally invite.

Blasphemy wrote:

Fearsome* wrote: CS requires you to basically do a season in order to move up a division. So you must basically nail at top place in open to move to main, and then main to move to premier, and then to invite.

whats premier? i think you got it twisted cause first its open then intermediate and from there its main and finally invite.

premier is after invite

Open
intermediate
main
invite
premier

but premier isn't cal though, when you win invite you move to another league, unless it changed from when I played, cause we won invite, then we were going to premier (which was another league) but the clan died

So which league is for the powerhouses? Main or open?

Main is for advanced players.
Open is for beginners.

Is there anyone that is actively trying to build new CAL teams? Because if you're creating divisions without the creation of more teams it's kinda pointless.

{EE} Uncle Rico wrote:Is there anyone that is actively trying to build new CAL teams? Because if you're creating divisions without the creation of more teams it's kinda pointless.

i think the new divisions were made mostly to draw new players and teams. hopefully it will work. not sure it will for 4v4 just yet but i think it will for the others

lotta people in the 1v1 open I seen. I went there based on the fact that MOP was there and I feel confident he can beat me, on some maps. so I figures thats where I should be to. i based it off who was where and who in my mind i cant beat. i think this will cause issues soon. i also doubt i will attend more thatn 50 percent of my matches, thus forfeiting it all you u.

yeah rach. you and MOP in open gave me a bit of pause. but looking at main... there are clearly some still registered that are first timers and should probably be in open.

there will need to be some re-arranging. preseason should help sort that out... if its not sorted out before then.

{EE} Uncle Rico wrote:Is there anyone that is actively trying to build new CAL teams? Because if you're creating divisions without the creation of more teams it's kinda pointless.

Which came first the chicken or the egg? In all previous CAL seasons we have waited for teams to build up before booting up more divisions but now we are going to try to make the divisions and hope teams will show up. Will it work? I dont know, only one way to find out. The players seemed to think this will work and so we will try it.

Fearsome* wrote:

{EE} Uncle Rico wrote:Is there anyone that is actively trying to build new CAL teams? Because if you're creating divisions without the creation of more teams it's kinda pointless.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?.

The egg did, new species evolve when mutations in parental reproductive cells result in offspring with unique traits. The fertilized egg is the first member of a new species, so the egg comes before the chicken.

Fearsome* wrote:Which came first the chicken or the egg? In all previous CAL seasons we have waited for teams to build up before booting up more divisions but now we are going to try to make the divisions and hope teams will show up. Will it work? I dont know, only one way to find out. The players seemed to think this will work and so we will try it.

So I suppose that if we build it they will come?
This game is not actively promoted by Steam or by Valve and yet you assume that people will just magically show up in CAL ready to play? Not happening. CAL HL2DM has to be built. If you plan on having more divisions, you're gonna have to create teams, otherwise, you're setting up another CAL season of epic fail.

very valid point, but I know there are a lot of HL2DM teams out there who have never played CAL and don't because they find it intimidating. an open division, I think, will help draw these teams in.

Poor_Billy wrote:

Fearsome* wrote:

{EE} Uncle Rico wrote:Is there anyone that is actively trying to build new CAL teams? Because if you're creating divisions without the creation of more teams it's kinda pointless.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?.

The egg did, new species evolve when mutations in parental reproductive cells result in offspring with unique traits. The fertilized egg is the first member of a new species, so the egg comes before the chicken.

This is indeed true.

However, genetic mutations of an entire species don't occur overnight, so whatever chickens evolved from it was a slow process. It didn't magically hatch as a chicken when it's mother wasn't one. So since each egg with a chicken who has a mutation in their chromosomes can arguably be a "first member of a new species," the answer is really neither.

google ftw

I read that in a Darwin Awards book.