Warzone

Deja Vu

what did you expect from a league ran by 911, get realistic

Youd lose the match if steamids didnt match in cal as well.

No other comments since i know next to nothing about the league, the drama or what have you.

Edit: The duplicate of this post in the cafeteria has been deleted. Want to have it out, do it here, and try not to let it get too bloody or serious cat will wander by and eat the thread.

Serious Cat is ohhh so serious. Avoid that kitty at all costs.

And listen to Mnemic. With serious cat.

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I always thought those leagues dallas made where sorta pointless, fun but pointless nevertheless, because no real good team ever singned up(no offense to anyone who played) and the inevitable out come was that 911 won, as for what holy posted yea that sucks but really who cares who won Warzone, when i was in 911 we won ILDM, ECW then when i was in UG me and invx won that 2v2 thing (can't even remember the name), and all that didn't mean shit, point is just move along it is what it is.

We withdrew from the Warzone because of an issue with how the league was run and who was allowed to play and who was not. At the time I chose not to mention it, but now it seems appropriate to do so. .ewr is not the only team to have had an issue with this league. I for one will no longer particpate or support it,and neither does most of my clan.

I am with Paradox in that, nothing personal but Team Veracity will never do Warzone again.

Dun wory arbitur, its all gun b k.

Just chill. Dallas is just enforcing a rule. We made a mistake. No worries. In retrospect, I'd much rather see his team take a win by enforcing a rule rather than breaking one like other admins we know.

well, first off. whether holy's id matched or not is mute. he registered for the ewr roster after the 20th of december. i think he signed up on the 22nd. 2 days after the deadline. this is why they have trade deadlines in pro sports. warzone is not the only league that has rules of this nature. plus how hard is it to play with the account that you signed up with on the site.......? im sure holy was waiting for my comments about this because we dont get along, BUT, i would have this opinion whether it was him or not. EE had the same issue with EC, adding players right before our match started. seems pretty simple to me, set your roster by the 20th and use the steam id you signed up with. teams had like 2 months to do it.

on the flip side tho, i believe once the match starts both teams have aggreed that everything is legit. i dont know if holy's steam id thing was argued before match start.

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote: on the flip side tho, i believe once the match starts both teams have aggreed that everything is legit. i dont know if holy's steam id thing was argued before match start.

I agree with this. The match should be disputed before it's started if there's a problem.

As for warzone, I knew this would happen too. Every league that's ever been started by da11as is just a place for 911 to win. Nobody has really ever had a chance.

1: what Ko said, if you don't play under the correct steam ID you'd get overturned in CAL as well, so why exactly are you complaining? you broke a rule and arent happy it was enforced? 2: lol dallas at the way you chose to change the score, instead of just forfietting or whatever. rico? what team had an admin break a rule so they could win in cal? and why is this relevant?

Oh, I forgot to add.

the popcorn thing is my shtick, get your own.

Zman42 wrote:1: what Ko said, if you don't play under the correct steam ID you'd get overturned in CAL as well, so why exactly are you complaining? you broke a rule and arent happy it was enforced? 2: lol dallas at the way you chose to change the score, instead of just forfietting or whatever. rico? what team had an admin break a rule so they could win in cal? and why is this relevant?

Um, maybe you don't remember playing a 4v3 so a team could slide into the playoffs at the last minute last season?

Uncle Rico wrote:

Zman42 wrote:1: what Ko said, if you don't play under the correct steam ID you'd get overturned in CAL as well, so why exactly are you complaining? you broke a rule and arent happy it was enforced? 2: lol dallas at the way you chose to change the score, instead of just forfietting or whatever. rico? what team had an admin break a rule so they could win in cal? and why is this relevant?

Um, maybe you don't remember playing a 4v3 so a team could slide into the playoffs at the last minute last season?

we played a 4v3 because we just enjoy playing who gives a shit if sw made it to playoffs or not, and the funny thing there is the 4v4 admin IS ON YOUR TEAM.

Zman42 wrote:

Uncle Rico wrote:

Zman42 wrote:1: what Ko said, if you don't play under the correct steam ID you'd get overturned in CAL as well, so why exactly are you complaining? you broke a rule and arent happy it was enforced? 2: lol dallas at the way you chose to change the score, instead of just forfietting or whatever. rico? what team had an admin break a rule so they could win in cal? and why is this relevant?

Um, maybe you don't remember playing a 4v3 so a team could slide into the playoffs at the last minute last season?

we played a 4v3 because we just enjoy playing who gives a shit if sw made it to playoffs or not, and the funny thing there is the 4v4 admin IS ON YOUR TEAM.

Thank you for pointing that out. The 4v4 admin did NOT approve that match. He wasn't even asked. In fact, we were told on at least 2 occasions that we were not allowed to do that, by our admin, who was on our team, and had to postpone matches, or wait until a player showed up to be able to play.

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badinfluence wrote:F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

That would be my "Red Dot = Gumball!" bind.

Expecting some rocket whoring here, are we?

Nope, that's my refresh bind.

For me, there are several reasons to play Warzone. 3 v 3 yes, but an informal and fun league was the main reason.
The deadline WAS extended to request and a 2 v 2 was played last night. I really don't understand negating EWRs score based on a lame technicality.
In a way, it seems to be suicidal for Warzone to do such a thing. Actually, i am WTF?!?!?!
Looks like we will 3 teams maybe left.

Its crazy. Folks want to play a game competitively but it is getting to the point a frickin Spinal Tap (not the movie) is more enjoyable.
if it is possible to alter a few things here and there and help folks get matches done, i don't get this little technicality thing.

Restore EWR's win and lets just play without this nonsense.

The Argumentalizer wrote:For me, there are several reasons to play Warzone. 3 v 3 yes, but an informal and fun league was the main reason.
The deadline WAS extended to request and a 2 v 2 was played last night. I really don't understand negating EWRs score based on a lame technicality.
In a way, it seems to be suicidal for Warzone to do such a thing. Actually, i am WTF?!?!?!
Looks like we will 3 teams maybe left.

Its crazy. Folks want to play a game competitively but it is getting to the point a frickin Spinal Tap (not the movie) is more enjoyable.
if it is possible to alter a few things here and there and help folks get matches done, i don't get this little technicality thing.

Restore EWR's win and lets just play without this nonsense.

why would they restore the win? they broke the rules.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

Like I said before, I'd rather see the rules enforced than neglected. It's a loss for us, so what? We don't flip out over shit and punch our walls and break our gear. We lol and go on.

Zman, you have sliding shifting argument yourself. Your 4 v 3 broke the rules and that is ok but an incorrect id # is breaking the rules.
This is hypocritical. And its Bullshit.

Also, Warzone is NOT CAL. They are different. I was hoping to avoid the CAL nonsense from last season at Warzone, but, well...

Holy Moly playing was not disputed before the round started, so calling a technicality is more bullshit.

Why would they change the result? Maybe to have a league with actual teams to actually play.

knocking dallas for enforcing a rule is BS. and saying that he created warzone for 911 to win is also BS. i know for a fact taht he put up his own money for the ladder site, spent a lot of his own time setting it up. i believe that he has put a lot of his time and effort into making a league for all of us to play and not have to deal with CAL BS. ofcourse he wants to win. we all do. everybody who joins the league is supposed to have read the rules. they are not complicated. this instance has 2 rules being broken. 1- holy signed up after the roster deadline. 2-he played under the wrong steam id. thats it. bottom line. why wouldnt dallas inforce the rule? if the admins are not going to enforce the rules then why even have them. how hard is it to play under the steam id you signed up with??? i dont understand why he didnt. somebody on this forum often posts "this is why we cant have nice things" i dont recall atm who it is. but he is spot on. idk why we continuely try to fuck up our own leagues.

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:knocking dallas for enforcing a rule is BS. and saying that he created warzone for 911 to win is also BS. i know for a fact taht he put up his own money for the ladder site, spent a lot of his own time setting it up. i believe that he has put a lot of his time and effort into making a league for all of us to play and not have to deal with CAL BS. ofcourse he wants to win. we all do. everybody who joins the league is supposed to have read the rules. they are not complicated. this instance has 2 rules being broken. 1- holy signed up after the roster deadline. 2-he played under the wrong steam id. thats it. bottom line. why wouldnt dallas inforce the rule? if the admins are not going to enforce the rules then why even have them. how hard is it to play under the steam id you signed up with??? i dont understand why he didnt. somebody on this forum often posts "this is why we cant have nice things" i dont recall atm who it is. but he is spot on. idk why we continuely try to fuck up our own leagues.

your posts are always the best xD
edit: impala your only jumping on the "flas 4v3ed sw" bandwagon cause rico is, so hush. we 4v3ed them and it was accepted by cal admins.

ZMAN-This is not the first time you have told me hush or shut up. My reply to that is _________________________________!

Nothing. That is my response to that. Zilch.
I never said Warzone was just for 911 to win like somebody else imputed.
And i am not jumping on Rico's bandwagon.
I don't do anything to curry favor with others.
That should be apparent.
Rico doesn't need me to speak for him and i don't need you in order to speak
And this has nothing to do with FLAS.
It is about you and your selective hypocritical rules following and comparing Warzone to CAL and trying to divert from that with a Rico canard.

yeah heres an idea you stupid fucks,chill the fuck out.ewr beat 911 fair and motherfucking square.its not like anyone was doing any shifty shit during the matches,just two normal 3v3's on zeta.i think da1 just needs to let this shit slide.its not like someone else was playing on holy's account or someone had hacks or something retarded...
the whole lot of you need to get the fuck off your high horse and play nice.

06. Player Rules

1. Ringers: Match ringers will not be tolerated. A ringer is a player who is playing under a different name/account when they are listed on a different team in the league. If a match ringer is suspected notify Warzone officials immediately.

Ringing or allowing an individual to appear as you or another member of your team in an official match will result in suspension from the league.

2. Unacceptable Player Names: Player names are NOT to contain words or phrases that pertain to profanity racism religious prejudice sexism or the acceptance of drug use. Failure to request a change to a more agreeable name will result in the removal of the player from the league or a forced name change at the discretion of a league official.

3. Name Changes: Please notify Warzone officials on the boards of any name changes.

4. STEAM ID´s: If a player is caught using the incorrect steam id during a match then his score will be wiped on first offense. If a second offense occurs the team will forfiet the match and the player will be suspended.


Last Updated December 23, 11:44 PM


This section of the rules was edited or amended last night at 11:44 pm??!?!
I'm not trying to grief here but its damn strange.

As it has been said before, this is only for fun so don't freak out about it too much. The least anyone can do is play on their registered id's and follow the rules. Dallas has been pretty lenient otherwise. The match MfYa played last night was delayed to have Elite get their team ready. Then one of my team had to go so we were the ones short. I talked to Dallas and he allowed a 2v2 if both MfYa and Elite were in agreement to it.

Yes, holy, dallas should have contacted you and questioned you about the id you were using but you should have at least kept track of it and read the rules... Actually, no. No need to read the rules since its basically the same as in CAL so everyone should know what they are by now.

Anyway this is still only for the fun of it so shut up and enjoy the damn game already!

'Kaaaay?


Also:

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Nutri-Grain wrote:

Poor_Billy wrote:who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

badinfluence wrote:

Nutri-Grain wrote:

Poor_Billy wrote:who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

I say enough talk. Settle this in the matches.

We're gunna win anyways.

/gauntlet throwing

Hello everyone

Holy - I have nothing against you or your team. In fact I can bring up all the bullshit logs of your team bad mouthing my team and myself before the match even started, and why? Because grain and billy dont like to play on our server...lol...go back to the first page and look at the pings, billy's ping is better on my server than the ewr server and grain's is only 4 digits worse. So that just goes to show that those guys like to bitch and complain to have their way, when that isn't the case. You all are taking things way out of proportion. If I really wanted everything my way I could suspend your whole team for the acts prior to the match.

Para - It clearly says in the rules no ringers. Darkology, aka strange who happend to be in 911 was kicked from both teams fair and square. I'm sorry he happend to be your best player and you lost all hope in having a winning shot. Same thing would have happend in CAL and you should know that being a cal admin

Just like all the leagues or tournaments I have created they have all been in fun, not for 911 to win as some people say. (BTW I didn't run ILDM Blas), 911 only won ECW because no skilled teams registered. And don't get me wrong I sent invites to all teams. As for the comment about that there is no support on that claim. Because 911 has won 1 league in which I ran. So its a stupid and pointless argument to make. Like chemical said, of course I want to win, I don't go out of my way to make us win however. All I did was enforce rules as any admin should do. If you think the rule should slide because who the team is thats bullshit.
Thats like saying hey Barry Bonds used sterroids but is ok, he's Barry Bonds.....it doesn't make sense guys.

As for the rules being updated last night; they were indeed updated due to this incident. Instead of making the rule to where the team who broke the rule would just get a forfeit loss I changed that to a second offense so where it was just the players score getting wiped. Now you guys can go on your way and say oh but you only did that because the margin of difference prior to the erased score was so close that if you did that then you guys would win. However I did that because it still gives the stats needed for playoff implications and helps both teams out with the points scored.

Say what you want, I did what I did to try and run an organized league in which I have put alot of time, effort, and money into. Thanks to rico and chem for backing up my actions and what took place last night, and sorry to the people who seem to think they have the best skill in a video game so they should run the show.

holymoly wrote: And you can talk all you want about enforcing the rules, but you sound asinine because you admit that you created the rule after the match had been played.

The rule was already made, just revised.

holymoly wrote: The crux of your argument is that you can do whatever you want because you're in charge. You say that the people with the best skill shouldn't run the show. Well, you know what, when it comes to deciding who the winner of a match is, they should.

I don't have an argument, and ya I pretty much can do whatever I want seeing how I'm in charge..lol so I dont know what you are saying there, and ya they should run the show if they don't break rules.

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i vote dallas for best admin to ever touch hl2dm

phantom wrote:i vote dallas for best admin to ever touch hl2dm

you guys talked shit about the server and pissed dallas off, even threatening one of you with suspension, so he comes back after losing and pulls out a technicality which he probably wouldn't have if he didn't think you guys were acting like dicks

NICELY PLAYED DALLAS, ALMOST ONE OF MY CARDS

holymoly wrote:I'd like to clarify the statement "if you guys weren't acting like dicks" by saying that I had no part in any dickishness. I am by nature the sweetest and kindest old man you've ever met.

It only takes one or two people from an entire group of people to make that group look bad. =\\ Personally holy you've always been cool.

This is so funny, last season in cal everyone including ewr bitched about rules being bent during matches. Now Dallas enforces a rule as he should of (he has no idea if it was actually Holymoly or some unrostered player) instead of bending it and you still bitch that is too funny. A rule was broken during the match which blows but it is what it is and this would not have been any different in CAL.

Also 911 has every right to play their match on a true central server (and it should be enforced in all leagues that servers are central to both coasts), sorry to inform you guys but any server east of the center of the USA (which is pretty much the middle of texas) is not a central server.

It amazes me as to how many geographically challenged people believe that Chicago is centrally located, its far from it look at a map people and measure the distance from east to west coast if you cant see it with your own eyes. Don't go claiming that its not fair for Canadians either, the majority of players are in the US and both CAL and Warzone are based in the US so it only makes since that central means central in the US.

Forcing west coast players to play on a Chicago server would be no different than forcing a east coast player to play on a server in California, which is why teams who are trying to be fair about things pick Dallas as a server location and not one which favors their team due to proximity.

Nutri all the things you described happen to me anytime I (a west coast player) plays on a Chicago server or any other east server (including yours), its ping or routing related. BY looking at the screens everyones ping was better at the 911 server, than it was at the ewr server which further goes to show that Dallas is a more equal place to host matches. The internet is not a perfect system and mostly routing causes issues for certain people sometimes and there is nothing that can be done about that, so as long as a server is central that is the best that can be done to TRY to make it the best playing experience for all involved.

Seagull wrote:you guys talked shit about the server and pissed dallas off, even threatening one of you with suspension, so he comes back after losing and pulls out a technicality which he probably wouldn't have if he didn't think you guys were acting like dicks

NICELY PLAYED DALLAS, ALMOST ONE OF MY CARDS

Actually in a conversation after the match he specifically told me if nutri/pb hadn't acted like dicks he wouldn't have even looked at SteamIDs. There's no "probably" there at all.

Even with my decent ping on your server, Dallas, I still notice physics lag. As everyone knows, I use grenades a lot, and your server has a pretty noticeable hiccup when I throw/grab grenades using the gravity gun. Anything I do with my gravity seems to sort of have a "hiccup" or .1 second delay. It gets irritating and can affect game play on physics heavy maps.

I wasn't going to get involved in this stupid drama bullshit but it's come so far I figured I'd give my input. Dallas did demand us to get in his server in 5 minutes or we'd get a forfeit. Nutrigrain and Poorbilly did act like complete dicks in pregame. I played the first half of the match and was replaced by a worse player (holymoly, no offense ) and then we lost on a technicality because we tried to give holymoly a chance to play and he accidentally used the wrong steam account.

I don't care if we lose warzone and I care even less about winning such a worthless league. This community is very small and the roster on warzone is even smaller. Enforcing such strict rules like this only brings about more separation in the community. Everybody knows everybody by now and yet still none of us can get along. The entire purpose of a SteamID matching rule is to ensure that ringers aren't put in the match that aren't in the clan. If holymoly was replaced by seagull and scored 50-0, there would be room to bitch, but as it stands he actually performed worse than the player he replaced and 911 still lost. This is not why the rule exists and you are enforcing an arbitrary technicality and only making yourself look like a dick.

l2k wrote:Nutri all the things you described happen to me anytime I (a west coast player) plays on a Chicago server or any other east server (including yours), its ping or routing related. BY looking at the screens everyones ping was better at the 911 server, than it was at the ewr server which further goes to show that Dallas is a more equal place to host matches. The internet is not a perfect system and mostly routing causes issues for certain people sometimes and there is nothing that can be done about that, so as long as a server is central that is the best that can be done to TRY to make it the best playing experience for all involved.

Ping is not the only factor to look at when choosing servers. Choke and loss actually have a greater effect on playability and you could have an artificially low ping while having high loss/choke. Ping in itself means nothing but response time from the server, if those packets are getting lost or if you end up sending less packets your game play will not be as smooth.

voxtex wrote:Ping is not the only factor to look at when choosing servers. Choke and loss actually have a greater effect on playability and you could have an artificially low ping while having high loss/choke. Ping in itself means nothing but response time from the server, if those packets are getting lost or if you end up sending less packets your game play will not be as smooth.

This is very true, however choke and loss are primarily a client caused issue especially loss. Loss is mostly caused by routers across the internet dropping your packets enroute to the server, choke is mostly caused by your cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate exceeding your bandwith capabilities. So again the most fair thing to do is to have a TRUE central server and everybodies internet connection and cfg are hopefully optimized the best they can be, but that optimization is not the responsibility of the person hosting the game.
I don't know if you have ever looked at a servers resource meter running a 3v3, but trust me the resources it uses are very slim. Most modern servers can easily run 10 -15 instances of hl2dm without even hitting the 20 percent mark.
I am constantly in servers where people are crying lagg, choke loss ect and yet its perfect for me, so its usually a client problem and not a server problem.

L2k wrote:

voxtex wrote:Ping is not the only factor to look at when choosing servers. Choke and loss actually have a greater effect on playability and you could have an artificially low ping while having high loss/choke. Ping in itself means nothing but response time from the server, if those packets are getting lost or if you end up sending less packets your game play will not be as smooth.

This is very true, however choke and loss are primarily a client caused issue especially loss. Loss is mostly caused by routers across the internet dropping your packets enroute to the server, choke is mostly caused by your cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate exceeding your bandwith capabilities. So again the most fair thing to do is to have a TRUE central server and everybodies internet connection and cfg are hopefully optimized the best they can be, but that optimization is not the responsibility of the person hosting the game.
I don't know if you have ever looked at a servers resource meter running a 3v3, but trust me the resources it uses are very slim. Most modern servers can easily run 10 -15 instances of hl2dm without even hitting the 20 percent mark.
I am constantly in servers where people are crying lagg, choke loss ect and yet its perfect for me, so its usually a client problem and not a server problem.

You're absolutely right but I would still prefer a server where I can use cl_updaterate "66", cl_cmdrate "66", and rate 30000 as to get the most amount of data being transferred with no choke/loss. This will without a doubt be an advantage over someone who is forced to use 20 20 10000 just to achieve 0 loss and 0 choke. More data transferred = more accuracy when it comes to client/server interaction. Putting settings at 66, 66, and 30000 with most servers having ticks of 66 is as accurate as it gets (except for LAN of course).

This is of course my understanding of networking if I'm wrong on anything feel free to correct.

Now given the size of the United States (and the guys up North) I don't think it's feasible to expect everybody to be able to use these settings. Compromises will always be made but that's beside the point. I don't think Dallas's server is up to par, whatever the true issue may be, with many of the other servers we have available.

Also how is Texas "true" central? Chicago may be a bit east of the east/west central line, but Texas is definitely South of the North/South central line. Wouldn't true central be Kansas or Nebraska or something? Pacific players will have a disadvantage on Chicago compared to Texas, but New Yorkers would be disadvantaged on Texas compared to Chicago (simply because it is farther south of the "central" North/South line). Hopefully my geography isn't too off

Anyway none of this matters get back to the drama.

This is along the lines of what I picture when anything attempts to be accomplished in this game (actually I'm lying, the whole time zone/locale thing gave me the idea, but it is kinda similar )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGaW-z2g3Y

badinfluence wrote:

Nutri-Grain wrote:

Poor_Billy wrote:who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...we're gunna win anyways.

who cares...i already won.

Da1 wrote:. Darkology, aka strange

oh wut i didn't know that, vision told me he was also frggle from xs and a bunch of other names from diff clans.

Seagull wrote:you guys talked shit about the server and pissed dallas off, even threatening one of you with suspension, so he comes back after losing and pulls out a technicality which he probably wouldn't have if he didn't think you guys were acting like dicks

NICELY PLAYED DALLAS, ALMOST ONE OF MY CARDS

Everyone can take a note from seagull he is not just good at playing dm but also scheming ways to win, like in CAL 4v4 when 911 and VDuS where supposed to play, he pulled some shit about the server having some plugin saying we automatically forfeit the 1st round, which made us have to postpone the game to a later time till we could get the CAL admins to sort everything out, during that time period, luke took deuce away from us, so when we had to play VDuS we are down one of our best players, i tell you its all a conspiracy.

I ping nicely everywhere. You guys should just move to Ohio. : D

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now we're arguing over what is actually the center of the US?? ffs. here it is

Lebanon Kansas is located at 39°48′38″N 98°33′22″W / 39.81056, -98.55611 (39.810492, -98.556061)[3].

that is the center of the 48 cont. states.

we should change this forum from "hl2dm univeristy forum" to "hl2dm cackling fucking hen house forum"

Now if there was only a data center in Kansas, we could all be fair. But since there isnt I guess we have to settle for the next closest place, Dallas.

@Vox, those settings can be set on any server, its up to the server admin to change them from default, which surprisingly doesn't happen all the time.

I moved mine to St. Louis a month or so ago. Pings seem fairly even for most NA people we've played.

Uncle Rico wrote:I moved mine to St. Louis a month or so ago. Pings seem fairly even for most NA people we've played.

Cool Rico, that should be a bit better than Chicago for people on the west coast as long as our routing doesn't take us to Chicago first, then to St. Louis. Whats the IP? I would like to check the routing to it.

8.6.77.184:27015

yea flas server is in st. luis to accomodate bewk

I have been out of comms for the last 2 days because I have been upgrading and changing the config of my computer software.

Da1 wrote:Hello everyone
Para - It clearly says in the rules no ringers. Darkology, aka strange who happend to be in 911 was kicked from both teams fair and square. I'm sorry he happend to be your best player and you lost all hope in having a winning shot. Same thing would have happend in CAL and you should know that being a cal admin

I could care less whether we won or lost warzone, it was just for fun and practice for CAL and it doesnt mean shit. Our team wanted to play in it, until your personal vendetta. At least in CAL there would have been a better chance at proof of what you are accusing.

There is absolutely no proof either way that Strange and Darkology are the same people, only some convo you have distributed around saying its him. Steam convos can be faked easily with any word processing program. I could do it in wordpad if I wanted to. Having the same IP address is not proof. We have had members of the same family in our clan, a father and son, also we have had college room mates in our clan, again the same IP. It can happen.

Second, there is no way for a player to remove himself from a roster, as far as I know only the team leader or you can do that. Strange has not been listed on your roster on your website for quite some time. Now Darkology gets removed because you neglected to remove Strange (again there is no proof they are the same person) from your own roster? BS.

Whatever, doesnt matter. I won't support Warzone or any other league you dream up because there are really no checks and balances. The world according to Dallas, just doesnt cut it.

To the .ewr crew, good luck and give em hell.

what happened to my young apprentice strange?

oh that kid? thats darkology

phantom wrote:oh that kid? thats darkology

i lol'd very very hard.
ewr give em hell.

phantom wrote:oh that kid? thats darkology

i trained him, at lest thats what he used to tell people.

Not that it really matters Paradox, but I'm sure that Strange and Darkology was Vision (the alias I knew him best by, one of a many though) I had both of his steam accts on my friends list and I do clearly remember seeing him one day using both those name and wearing the Khaos tags. I always look at aliases on steam when I see new names on my friends list and saw that it was indeed Vision, and I clearly remember thinking to myself wow Paradox let Vision into Khaos. I also knew him pretty well and I can tell you he was 15 had no brothers, lived at home in New York. I also clearly remember having a 1v1 with him and he asked me "Do you know who this is?" "I said yes Vison lol" he then said "ok lol cool" That was when he was wearing the Khaos tag and name Darkology." Just a FYI.

EDIt:
I also see Vision using the name khaos vApOr and Tecknique, the guy has so many aliases maybe he was just impersonating someone.

L2k wrote:Not that it really matters Paradox, but I'm sure that Strange and Darkology was Vision (the alias I knew him best by, one of a many though) I had both of his steam accts on my friends list and I do clearly remember seeing him one day using both those name and wearing the Khaos tags. I always look at aliases on steam when I see new names on my friends list and saw that it was indeed Vision, and I clearly remember thinking to myself wow Paradox let Vision into Khaos. I also knew him pretty well and I can tell you he was 15 had no brothers, lived at home in New York. I also clearly remember having a 1v1 with him and he asked me "Do you know who this is?" "I said yes Vison lol" he then said "ok lol cool" That was when he was wearing the Khaos tag and name Darkology." Just a FYI.

pwnd.

L2k wrote:Not that it really matters Paradox, but I'm sure that Strange and Darkology was Vision (the alias I knew him best by, one of a many though) I had both of his steam accts on my friends list and I do clearly remember seeing him one day using both those name and wearing the Khaos tags. I always look at aliases on steam when I see new names on my friends list and saw that it was indeed Vision, and I clearly remember thinking to myself wow Paradox let Vision into Khaos. I also knew him pretty well and I can tell you he was 15 had no brothers, lived at home in New York. I also clearly remember having a 1v1 with him and he asked me "Do you know who this is?" "I said yes Vison lol" he then said "ok lol cool" That was when he was wearing the Khaos tag and name Darkology." Just a FYI.

EDIt:
I also see Vision using the name khaos vApOr and Tecknique, the guy has so many aliases maybe he was just impersonating someone.

you were duped or mixing up your players. vision and darkology are not the same. one or the other may have been pulling your leg... but they are separate people.

there is no dispute that darkology aliases. the only dispute for warzone was... is darkology and strange the same person? dark says no. dallas says yes. and the "proof" from dallas was a logged converstion with a 3rd person who was supposed to be strange under an alias.

the team decison to pull out of warzone was based on dallas removing darkology from our roster, with no warning, no explanation, and prior to the season beginning. darkology played in no matches.

CellarDweller wrote: one or the other may have been pulling your leg... but they are separate people.

That is possible, I see now via the consortium that the person who uses the alias darkology the most is from Canada, and is also the former Icon member Lost Cause.

I never understood peoples need to alias, impersonate and re-invent themselves, it's quite funny actually.

WTF... LOLOLOL!!!


L2K... Vison is definately NOT Darkology. Ive played with them both in a server and in Teamspeak with me at the same time.

Vison is aka Exodus, Technique, and now Vapor.

Yes Darkology lives in Canada, Vapor lives in New York, and FYI he lives like 5 minutes from me. He is 15 and he does have a brother and a sister.

i think what we are experiencing is called the vdrei affect.

LOL ya and what clan is Vdrei in? ------>911


In any case the whole thing is fucking stupid.

Paradox wrote:LOL ya and what clan is Vdrei in? ------>911

hmm where do i begin to answer that, i remember when he was in this ctf clan with me his sig to our forums was all the clans he used to be in with all diff names.

from what i know he was in cyn, sw, 911, and wrw, in some cases he was in multiple clans at the same time all with diff steam accounts, maybe some of the more veteran hl2dm players can enlighten us more with what they know.

Edit: oh yea i forgot to add in digital speed

Blasphemy wrote:i think what we are experiencing is called the vdrei affect.

LOL I think that pretty much sums it up!

phantom wrote:oh that kid? thats darkology

Don't talk about stuff you dont know.

Zman42 wrote: ewr give em hell.

:S wtf?

Da1 wrote:Hello everyone
Para - It clearly says in the rules no ringers. Darkology, aka strange who happend to be in 911 was kicked from both teams fair and square. I'm sorry he happend to be your best player and you lost all hope in having a winning shot. Same thing would have happend in CAL and you should know that being a cal admin

Strange wasn’t in warzone for 911. He quti dm, left cal 911 team and warzone before I even joined warzone and I was in the Khaos clan. So what rule did I break?

Below is a post I made in the Khaos private forums.

«Khaos» p!ke: who took dark off my team?
|911|Herbalizer: I guess dallas
|911|Herbalizer: he was trying to play for 2 teams
«Khaos» p!ke: what 2 teams
|911|Herbalizer: ours
«Khaos» p!ke: what
«Khaos» p!ke: dark kahos and dark 911?
|911|Herbalizer: its strange
«Khaos» p!ke: what
«Khaos» p!ke: how u figure?
«Khaos» p!ke: same ip?
«Khaos» p!ke: steam id
|911|Herbalizer: yup
«Khaos» p!ke: both?
«Khaos» p!ke: link plz


«Khaos» p!ke: how u figure?
«Khaos» p!ke: same ip?
«Khaos» p!ke: steam id
|911|Herbalizer: yup

Naturally my bro and I'd have the same ip cause we live in the same house and have the same internet/IP provider or something. As far as steam id's go my bro has many, zERO, shox, and an impulse one which I use now for css and other games.

-------- This is apparenlty the proof dallas has about "me" (shox) talking to him about changing servers, etc. Some interesting stuff in this that I'll point out(in Red) to prove that he wrote this whole shit up. Anyone who has known me for a while will see that dallas made this shit up. And dont try changing the convo dallas, other people got it too.

|911|-Da1: Sup dude
|911|-Da1: I got some stuff to talk about.
shox-: whats that?
|911|-Da1: are you darkology?
shox-: heh, no why?
|911|-Da1: because i looked you up on consortium and talked to osiris about it
shox-: vision try to tell you this?
shox-: cuz that kids a fucking liar
|911|-Da1: lol dude just tell me the fucking truth
|911|-Da1: either you stay with 911 and quti khaos or stay with them and quti 911 or ill expose you
shox-: ...
shox-: ok ill stick with 911
shox-: meh dont tell him tho
|911|-Da1: why not? if your gonna quti it shouldnt matter
shox-: just cause ill come up with something
|911|-Da1: uh ok, what about your server, dont you run a khaos one?
shox-: ya i do
shox-: ill just change the ip of that from gameservers
|911|-Da1: ok well dont do this shit again cuz ist fucking stupid
|911|-Da1: its*
shox-: you got my word man
|911|-Da1: ok, well i have to go for a few
shox-: k ill ttyl
|911|-Da1: yea later
|911|-Da1: proof

--
shox-:
Notice the -. I asked pike to check all the aliases used by shox and he never used "shox-"

shox-: whats that?

I never say whats that. my what is always wahts or I'll just say sup? .

shox-: vision try to tell you this?

I never call technique vision. I say technique,tek,,assault or exodus.

shox-: cuz that kids a fucking liar

I never say "cuz". its usually cause.

shox-: meh dont tell him tho

I do say "meh" but I usually write meh then write wahtever I want to say in the next sentence.

shox-: ya i do

I never say "ya" its alawys "ye" (cause Im cool )

shox-: ill just change the ip of that from gameservers

My server is hosted by fatpipe not gameservers.

shox-: you got my word man

I never say "word". And "you got my word" wtf I'd never say something like that.


Reason why dallas took me off warzone.

http://i39.tinypic.com/15oclcp.jpg


Yea my pc sucks so bad I have to play in 640 resolution with an fps enhancer

score:

Khaos - 106
Ridikulus (me) 44-23
vapor 31- 40
voz 30-45

911 - 99
dallas 37-36
kyle 27-39
herbalizer 17-16

and this is after I got bored of dm and didnt play for a week and didnt even warm up.

dallas is scared of losing to khaos. Dont make up shit if your not man enough to lose in your league.

faggots like this make this game so freakin gay.

Darkology wrote: shox-: whats that?

I never say whats that. my what is always wahts or I'll just say sup? .

that's all the proof I need.

Poor_Billy wrote:

Darkology wrote: shox-: whats that?

I never say whats that. my what is always wahts or I'll just say sup? .

that's all the proof I need.

sup?

Blasphemy wrote:

Poor_Billy wrote:

Darkology wrote: shox-: whats that?

I never say whats that. my what is always wahts or I'll just say sup? .

that's all the proof I need.

sup?

waht?

ZOMG FAKES! YOU TWO NEVER SAY THAT!

.

.

Nutri-Grain wrote: Dark...All that red writing shit was completely pointless. "I never say yeah, i say ye." OH, ok sweet ur innocent!

he was sending this convo to people. And many would believe it, cause you cant fake steam chats.

Nutri-Grain wrote: Either way...Khaos is full of shifty peeps.

Um, not compared to most clans. There is no way that technique/vapor/vision is Darkology. Nothing against tech, but they are not in the same league when it comes to this game.

Ya we are shifty because we finally have a few players with skill....mmmmkay.

Did someone say: "the pot calling the kettle black"?

Pretty much every damn clan in this game with any players in it that have any kind of skill at all are deemed as being suspicious.

So I suppose I should consider that a complement...thanks!

Sacrifist wrote:

Nutri-Grain wrote: Either way...Khaos is full of shifty peeps.

Um, not compared to most clans. There is no way that technique/vapor/vision is Darkology. Nothing against tech, but they are not in the same league when it comes to this game.

and what league would that be?

everyone is a shifty "you know what" in my eyes.

i think its shifty that khaos rosters players with vac bans in their profiles.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197962122435


other than that i dont have any probs with khaos and few of them are good enough to be accused of haxing. i respect edge i think hes a good shit. para has been coo in mah book too.

Nutri-Grain wrote:Either way...Khaos is full of shifty peeps.

i am not shifty

a pox upon your house

If you truly think bullshit happened, just stop playing this league. Problem solved.

Good Day sir.

MORPHIUS wrote:i think its shifty that khaos rosters players with vac bans in their profiles.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197962122435


other than that i dont have any probs with khaos and few of them are good enough to be accused of haxing. i respect edge i think hes a good shit. para has been coo in mah book too.

oh yeah, this one snuck in on me whilst posting.

the rev is not rostered on any of the khaos teams in cal.

his previous vac ban was not related to hl2dm. but it's a vac ban nontheless. as far as i'm concerned, i've enjoyed fragging with the rev and he has redeemed himself in my eyes if not in yours/others.

Rev got vac'ed from DoD 1.3 cause he was too fucking leet.

Blasphemy wrote:

Sacrifist wrote:

Nutri-Grain wrote: Either way...Khaos is full of shifty peeps.

Um, not compared to most clans. There is no way that technique/vapor/vision is Darkology. Nothing against tech, but they are not in the same league when it comes to this game.

and what league would that be?

A league above technique's I suppose.

.... can't you just post about puppies, kittens or something mellow? lol

The immaturity in this thread astounding, I haven't even been in around to know what even happened but w0w.

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