The way CAL works...

I think it's wrong.

Admin+Community should estabnlish a list of all the CAL-Ready maps.

Map nomination and then map vote threads should be made on CAL website (anti proxy, verified accounts)

The people nominate maps and then they vote for top maps.

Since admins are also players from a team that wants to play this league, i don't see how having them to pick maps will lead us to any kind of "fairness" it doesn't feel even.

I want your 2 cents (i will eventually get rich)

That would be the democratic way, but that is not allowed in CAL



Let us not forget vee have zee power to change maps to our own liking!

Since admins are also players from a team that wants to play this league, i don't see how having them to pick maps will lead us to any kind of "fairness" it doesn't feel even.

agreed

This is one of the reasons that during the map vote, I did not vote.

very few people even look at the CAL forums. i don't think a nomination/vote thing can be set up anywhere else within CAL. if people want the maps chosen by popular vote... the U seems to provide the widest audience.

another alternative is a board. take one volunteer from the top 9 or top 7 final positions of the current CAL season. those people act as a board that determine the CAL maps for the next season and set the weekly map rotation.

neither of the above options will work w/o buy in from the CAL game manager.

unlike paradox, i did vote in the nomination threads since i'm also a player. had i been asked as an CAL admin to vote, i would have abstained since i had previously voted. but that didnt happen.

I agree with the points made here, in order to be fair in the killbox division I decided not to vote or be a player, I also did not vote for the regular division since team Veracity is playing

When we were picking the maps for the killbox division we had a lot of people who were not even going to be in the league voting, this is an issue, we had a lot of people not even aware that there was a vote, a lot of people stay away from the forums which defeats any attempts towards democracy, at the end I had to just make calls.

We need to find a way to revitalize the forums, make sure people have the awareness that votes are going on, perhaps the hl2dm University community group could post some announcements as things go up for vote?

Ya Cellar is right. No one uses the CAL forums. I put a request for nominations there and no one responded.

CAL has forums?!?!

hmmmm

News to me.

The point he's making is, instead of not voting cause your admins, vote but don't do the thing where you guys just pick maps after people vote.

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Can I be a biased bastard?

The point he's making is, instead of not voting cause your admins, vote but don't do the thing where you guys just pick maps after people vote.

I didnt pick any maps. Was totally out of my hands. I am scratching my head as to why it ended up with a different set up than the vote.
I do know though that Milieu was going to be in no matter what. I dont think this is a bad thing, we need some new maps. It replaced cannon which I am sure all would agree was a complete clusterfuck as a match map.

very few people even look at the CAL forums. i don't think a nomination/vote thing can be set up anywhere else within CAL. if people want the maps chosen by popular vote... the U seems to provide the widest audience.

Right you are, post the CAL forum link on the U and people just go there and vote

What exactly did not go the way you wanted conflict?

As for voting we did what we thought worked best in the short time we had. If you start limiting the voting to certain people you run into other problems. This season people complained about outside people not playing. So we let outside people vote, and made an open league. If you vote any other way you need a good way to enforce it, and a standard for who can vote. Who can? People who played? how many per team? What determines if you played? Will anything you do make everyone happy?

The map vote was completely open anyone could nominate any map and people voted and the votes went pretty much as expected so I do not see how it is a large problem. Should we allow people to vote in all maps and not have any maps brought in to keep things fresh? Of course maps are going to be selected that diversify the gameplay after the vote. But do people not have a say? the top 5, more then the 4 promised made it into every division partly because their was a clear vote jump when you came to spot 5 indicating a strong desire for that map. Which only left 3 maps left to be picked. Since valar worked hard and produced a high quality map for competitive play and will probably be around to update it as needed that took the rotational map spot. So that means there were only 2 maps left to pick. Thats not much... But you still get complaints no matter what you do... It is not even possible for their to be bias on 5 of the maps is my point. I think the major dissapointment was many people thought they were going to be able to vote in new maps, sorry your wrong the masses of people are not going to rally behind a new map, look at how much talk their was about several maps from a few players but when it came time to vote the old standards came back and only maps already in CAL made the top 5. And in fact in the top 8 votes no map that was not already in competition made the cut, either past present or europe. Which shows that most people are voting on what they know well not really looking to new maps.

If admins were not picking new maps and pressing for the improvment of existing maps we would never be playing any of these maps today:
dm_lost arena
dm_caverns_r1
dm_tigcrik_r2
aim_arena_reloaded
dm_lockdown_rX
dm_biohazard_cal
dm_zeta_rc2
dm_amplitude_r1
dm_drift_revised

Every single one of those maps were helped along by admin and player critique to make them far better then the original map the mapper released. And many of them were new to CAL since I took over as GM and no one would even know about them today they had not been "forced in by EXTREME BIAS". So if you like any of them you should be thinking about that.

Otherwise our map cycle would probably look more like this:

dm_lockdown
dm_lostvillage
dm_frenzy
dm_overwatch
dm_powerhouse
dm_underpass
dm_swamplight_final
dm_avalon_b1
dm_zeta_prefinal

Can we flip the map schedule around? Seriously, take the schedule as it is and play it in reverse, or maybe randomize it. I mean, it really shouldn't matter, right?
I'm being serious here. I want an answer.

Can we flip the map schedule around? Seriously, take the schedule as it is and play it in reverse, or maybe randomize it. I mean, it really shouldn't matter, right?
I'm being serious here. I want an answer.

agreed, a random map order would be nice. They looks very strategically placed right now.

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Have a live lotto in irc or something

Everyone is good at lockdown , in the past I have wanted to change it but the conservative move has been to keep it the same. This season I actually do hope to change the finals map since several mappers have really done a great job improving maps for competitive play.

It is the best map of many clans, and one of the few maps out there that any other clan has beat $W on, if I was bias I would pick some random new map and use that as the finals map or one we really have never lost on.


How can I strategically place maps when I have no idea whom my team will play in the season, last season it was your clan leader scheduling not me. My team probably has the worst luck of any team out there when it comes to weeks we have to play clans. last season we played your team in caverns your best map and I am accused of being bias by you, isn't that ironic. The only strategy to maps being placed in the season is to spread them out IE if its in preseason it wont be in the first week of play. Or if its the first finals map it will not be the last week of play. And if I know a map may get altered during the season I may push it to the end of the season to give the mapper some time. I also try to keep maps that play across multiple leagues on the same week so people do not need to practice 3 different maps that week. You will notice amplitude is up for editing and is the last week of play, lockdown may need another edit and so is tested in the preseason and moved to the end of the season in case something needs to be changed. Zeta is also a possible edit. Milieu was in preseason and so cant be at the start. Believe it or not there is actually some thought put into the placement of the maps but it has nothing to do with my team winning.

quti making excuses. We know damn well that those maps won't even begin to get a revision for months as slow as you operate. We know damn well that the odds of the scheduler pairing tough teams against each other progresses throughout the season. It's no surprise that the maps I see you guys playing all the time are the last three.
Nino's out of the picture this season, so drop it already. Nino with a band of retarded chimpanzees telling him what keys to press on his keyboard couldn't fuck up last CAL season as badly as you did by listening to Seagull's crybaby ass.
Seriously, there's alot of talk going around amongst clans about boycotting CAL until you give up the GM spot or get your shit together. Your own admins are disgruntled or quitting. Or would that suit you just fine? You can steamroll the CSS teams straight through to another unblemished season without anyone questioning what you're doing.

Fearsome is correct in that if maps were always 100% player selected, a good half of the current most popular competitive maps would be pretty much completely unknown and not used, and we would still be stuck using trash like 7hour and frenzy.

That said, 2/8 admin-chosen or new maps per season is plenty, especially considering how many of them fail (the majority, according to past seasons). It also feels pointless to have a top8 vote then only use the top4... just have a top4 next time or how ever many vote slots are actually going to be used once the poll ends.

Lastly, map dates have always been chosen strategically (staggered as one aim / movement oriented map, one control / spam map etc) or to sync with other divisions. Not that i can see if thats the case this season, as the unnecessary google sidebar "upgrade" wont load with high security settings, something im not about to change considering how often the cal site gets hacked.

I think the major dissapointment was many people thought they were going to be able to vote in new maps, sorry your wrong the masses of people are not going to rally behind a new map, look at how much talk their was about several maps from a few players but when it came time to vote the old standards came back and only maps already in CAL made the top 5. And in fact in the top 8 votes no map that was not already in competition made the cut, either past present or europe. Which shows that most people are voting on what they know well not really looking to new maps.

Retarded, you didn't ask for a new map or make it so a new map would have a chance. Like you say everyone is going to state which maps they Cannot live without so the CAL favorites will get the top spots.
1) dm_lostvillage
2) dm_caverns
3) dm_lockdown_
4) dm_zeta_rc3
5) dm_amplitude_r1

You can vote for up to 4 maps for the popular choice maps, you should vote for the top maps you cannot live without. The top maps will be used to fill popular choice slots for this division. This is a revote the votes in the previous polls do not count.

So the maps in cal that people can live without are

dm_swamplight_final
dm_avalon_b1

The new maps that got high votes are

pg_icepick_B2
dm_octogon

Seriously, there's alot of talk going around amongst clans about boycotting CAL until you give up the GM spot or get your shit together.

Who besides you wants fearsome gone?

What exactly did not go the way you wanted conflict?

nothing i was just tired of being harrassed by many with requests, whine chat session
and whatnot so i guessed it would be good to clarify stuff so i stated their point of view in order so people could argue over it and there it goes. interesting views and suggestions so far, keep insult at a minimum all please it won't help your point.

I think the major dissapointment was many people thought they were going to be able to vote in new maps, sorry your wrong the masses of people are not going to rally behind a new map, look at how much talk their was about several maps from a few players but when it came time to vote the old standards came back and only maps already in CAL made the top 5. And in fact in the top 8 votes no map that was not already in competition made the cut, either past present or europe. Which shows that most people are voting on what they know well not really looking to new maps.

Retarded, you didn't ask for a new map or make it so a new map would have a chance. Like you say everyone is going to state which maps they Cannot live without so the CAL favorites will get the top spots.
1) dm_lostvillage
2) dm_caverns
3) dm_lockdown_
4) dm_zeta_rc3
5) dm_amplitude_r1

You can vote for up to 4 maps for the popular choice maps, you should vote for the top maps you cannot live without. The top maps will be used to fill popular choice slots for this division. This is a revote the votes in the previous polls do not count.

So the maps in cal that people can live without are

dm_swamplight_final
dm_avalon_b1

The new maps that got high votes are

pg_icepick_B2
dm_octogon

Im not even sure why those top 5 maps you listed were even in the map vote. Everyone is well aware that those 5 were gonna be in the CAL rotation. The map vote shouldnt of had those CAL maps and players should of voted for alternative maps for the last spots. Instead, many voted for the CAL maps because they wanted to make sure they were in, when they already would of been in regardless, leaving the new nominations in the dust. I suggest leaving out the maps that everyone is well aware of being the best, and concentrate on maps that many players arent that aware of. There are so many maps out there that are more worthy then those top 5 that no one plays. Sure, they may need updates, but all those CAL proven maps have been updated too. It would also force players to maybe spend some time actually looking over and testing other maps on a server, instead of only playing 5 maps in their dm lifetime.

Seriously, there's alot of talk going around amongst clans about boycotting CAL until you give up the GM spot or get your shit together.

Who besides you wants fearsome gone?

What world do you live in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v468ptuXw

What world do you live in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v468ptuXw

So again, who besides ewr wants fearsome gone? and if you had him gone, what then? oh thats right the game would die and ewr's mission would be complete.

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So again, who besides ewr wants fearsome gone? and if you had him gone, what then? oh thats right the game would die and ewr's mission would be complete.

I'm not about to call people out. If they wanna step up they can, but I can tell you for certain that ewR isn't the only clan that feels that way.
If the death of this game hinges on Fearsome being GM then it definitely needs to die. That ranks up there with some of the most retarded comments I've heard on this forum Zman. Congrats.
I really don't give a flying fuck who runs the league, but system needs to be in place that can minimize any accusations of bias. The people in charge need to be accountable to the people playing. That way if someone does exhibit bias tendencies then the league players have the right to kick them to the curb.
And then what? I dunno, Paradox can run things just fine, KO could step back in, there are plenty of other capable people, I really don't care as long as it's someone who is willing to listen to reason and not half-ass things. Take the new divisions for example. Great. Open and Main. The people got what they wanted right? No, Main is flooded with inactive and CSS teams and no one is stepping up to fix it.
It's that kind of thinking that shows poor management. "I'll give them what they want, half-ass do what they want, then say 'I told you so' when it doesn't work." If you're going to listen to people and try to work on things, then truly listen, and follow through completely.

Sacrifist, I think you may have missed the point of the vote in the first place. People kept saying the choice of maps in the map rotation was biased. I pushed for the vote so that we could show that the map choice was unbiased as well as to see if there were maps people wanted to see out of the rotation. If you recall, we first had a nomination thread with a deadline. Then we took all of the maps that people nominated within the guidelines stated (which division they were being suggested for). Polls were constructed out of the lists of what maps were nominated for what divisions.

Yes anyone could predict that the old favorites would be voted in, but in part that is what we meant to prove. I will say though that IMO, people should have been allowed to vote for 8 maps, not 4. I think it would have showed what people wanted BESIDES the old favs mentioned and might have gotten a couple of different maps in the mix.

Again IMO, I think Icepick should be in and Swamplight out. I had the opportunity to do this earlier but I thought it was going to be that way anyway so I didnt state it outright. I apologize to everyone for that, but again IMO its still early and its not too late to exchange Icepick for Swamplight now.

No matter what my reasons they are never good enough for you rico, and ewr, simply because when ever you don't get your way the way you want it you cry wolf. I gave a clear no bias chance to put any map even killbox into CAL if it could cut the top 4 in a vote then I get called bias for not taking the second to last place finisher?

All CAL staff are accountable there is a person on top of me and someone on top of them and it goes up quite a ways. But hey I am preaching to the choir cause ewR has been using that system more then any other group of people combined to the point they simply annoyed the CAL staff. And guess what no other league in HL2DM so far has that system. It seems you guys have nothing better to do all day but be destructive, accusations of bias from you guys are constant you do nothing but try to tear down the community to meet your own agenda then claim it is the people you are causing trouble with that are corrupt. Maybe instead of prank calling myself and luke and posting videos on you tube and IRC and constant harrasment and everything else you do under alias you guys should find something more constructive to do with your time and you may earn some respect.

Swamplight was picked over ice pick cause we played ice pick in a previous season and the combines ablity to control both the rocket and the charger turned it into even a bigger spawn fest then swamplight. Other then that they are made by the same mapper and have the same style through most of them so it really does not matter much to me. Do I have any bias no, why would I even care which one? I only look analytically at them and try to pick the better of the 2.

Fearsome has had his ups and downs, overall it's been OK. IMO some of the things done were unforgivable and questionable, banning of Ace was heavyhanded, as much as the community did hate him, choice of maps in most of early CAL season finals and the most recent of using Zman like a puppet to create a shadow map selection thread that nullified the vote of the blatently larger more well known map selection thread which was slimy as all hell. I'm in politics on campus, people at least get paid to come up with slimy ways to gain the upperhand. However lately the things you say are correct, and I think you have learned some lessons from the heat of recent events brought on you. I think you can do a good job this season and fully expect it. The childishness is getting tiresome, then again most of the people that play here are under 18 and can't see it. The older you get the more absolutely tiring and retarded acting like a moron to get attention becomes. If he should abuse power this season, bring on the heat in an organized, calculated manner, the CAL admins above him would sympathize with that approach instead of acting like a bunch of foaming monkeys, only making the admins above him more sympathetic to his cause.

No matter what my reasons they are never good enough for you rico, and ewr, simply because when ever you don't get your way the way you want it you cry wolf. I gave a clear no bias chance to put any map even killbox into CAL if it could cut the top 4 in a vote then I get called bias for not taking the second to last place finisher?

We cry wolf? Seriously, after holding up last season for a month to investigate some bullshit claims of hacking you're going to say that we're crying wolf? Wow.
You still put in maps you wanted. You still put them in the order you wanted. You still ignore the advice and questions of the admins under you and have set up another season of fail. The whole divisions issue is one of my biggest gripes. You made divisions like people asked, then didn't bother with cleaning them out, or locking the Main or making any actual separation there. Then when things go to shit, you can claim that it's our fault, you should've never listened to us, and throw out the gigantic "I told you so" card. It's this kind of arrogance and unwillingness to listen to what the players and admins are actually saying that's truly detrimental to the league.
All I've done is point these kinds of things out. The people here can make up their own minds. You may or may not be biased, but the league is set up in such a fashion where a bias GM could get away with alot all the while staying within the rules.

All CAL staff are accountable there is a person on top of me and someone on top of them and it goes up quite a ways. But hey I am preaching to the choir cause ewR has been using that system more then any other group of people combined to the point they simply annoyed the CAL staff.

Yep. We made complaints about you last season for your shenanigans. No secret there. Did it do anyone anygood? Nope. That's why I don't mind calling you out here in front of the people that actually give a fuck about HL2DM. CAL directors don't really seem to.

And guess what no other league in HL2DM so far has that system. It seems you guys have nothing better to do all day but be destructive, accusations of bias from you guys are constant you do nothing but try to tear down the community to meet your own agenda then claim it is the people you are causing trouble with that are corrupt. Maybe instead of prank calling myself and luke and posting videos on you tube and IRC and constant harrasment and everything else you do under alias you guys should find something more constructive to do with your time and you may earn some respect.

Ever watch wrestling as a kid? Probably not. Back in the 80's you had guys like Hulk Hogan, the Macho Man Randy Savage and the Ultimate Warrior. Those guys were awesome, but in the very early 80's wrestling wasn't the big business it is today. People would come out to see larger than life 'roid monsters toss each other around, but it didn't have the following that it developed later on. But later promoters learned how to really get people involved. They brought in people like the Iron Sheik, and the Koloff's, figures that defined what everyone hated at the time. There was the conflict with Iran, and the cold war was still big news, and these characters epitomized what the American public despised, and this conflict that everyone knew about from the news was playing out on there televisions now, right in front of them, but without any real worry. Bingo! Pro-Wrestling organizations were now as American as apple pie, generating millions, drawing people by the thousands and selling pay-per-view events like candy.
You still think that we actually want to tear the community apart, but if you'll talk to the people who really know us, you'll find that that's not true. It's an inside joke with us since we're accused of it all the time, but if we wanted to tear things down, we'd be going about it a different way. Yes, ewR is the antihero team. We're assholes from time to time and most people don't get the joke, but we're not what you keep trying to portray us as, and alot of players understand that now. Poor Billy is The Rock, btw. He called it.
People love controversy. When I first started lurking these forums they were dead, and CAL was on the verge of being roadkill. The playoffs of EE's first CAL season were held up for over 2 months while VDuS and $W were off playing TF2. Now, there's people on this forum all the time, IRC usually has at least a few people talking, and CAL is both forming new teams and resurrecting old ones. I'm not saying ewR is the only thing helping, I'm not that conceited by any means, but I am saying that a sunshine, lollipop and rainbow organization is boring, and that people want to see a good fight - especially if it's gets ugly.
I like the whole adult vs. children lecture you brought in here, and I will say that prank calls could be viewed as a bit childish, but our team really doesn't have a leader so to speak, and I'm damn sure not going to try to tell my team what they can or can't do. However, I will do this: To Luke: ewR apologizes giving you are hard time in the past. You took a bat to the knees with the whole Kigha thing, and lately we've found you to be a decent person. So if the prank call caused any trauma to you or your family, we're sorry.

I get dibs on Kane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3X1AeJnXMI

Is it too late to pick Hacksaw Jim Duggan?

Black Jack Mulligan!

rico you're an idiot. /me exits.

EDIT SPELLING POLICE

rico your an idiot. /me exits.

It's spelled "you're". Also, it's called a sense of humor. Look into that.
Shottie Steve Austin btw.

I like the whole adult vs. children lecture you brought in here, and I will say that prank calls could be viewed as a bit childish, but our team really doesn't have a leader so to speak, and I'm damn sure not going to try to tell my team what they can or can't do.

Wow that is incredibly childish any way you look at it. An E-war flame match is pretty ghey, but prank calls are borderline obsessive. I'm glad I suck at this game I guess.

Those two guys were 100% lulz.

People love controversy. When I first started lurking these forums they were dead, and CAL was on the verge of being roadkill. The playoffs of EE's first CAL season were held up for over 2 months while VDuS and $W were off playing TF2. Now, there's people on this forum all the time, IRC usually has at least a few people talking, and CAL is both forming new teams and resurrecting old ones. I'm not saying ewR is the only thing helping

It is amusing that you are taking any credit at all tbh. Draft night, the map contest, board members posting at CU, and the efforts of many people promoting the site have helped it become what it is, not one team causing controversy. What's next, Grape claiming his promotion of the impulse exploit is the reason that we have Keeper's plugin?

People love controversy. When I first started lurking these forums they were dead, and CAL was on the verge of being roadkill. The playoffs of EE's first CAL season were held up for over 2 months while VDuS and $W were off playing TF2. Now, there's people on this forum all the time, IRC usually has at least a few people talking, and CAL is both forming new teams and resurrecting old ones. I'm not saying ewR is the only thing helping

It is amusing that you are taking any credit at all tbh. Draft night, the map contest, board members posting at CU, and the efforts of many people promoting the site have helped it become what it is, not one team causing controversy. What's next, Grape claiming his promotion of the impulse exploit is the reason that we have Keeper's plugin?

Draft night - tried hard but died.
Map contest - has its own level of controversy to keep it interesting.
Board members post at CU - 2 points for that one.
People promoting - I'll give you a bit of credit for that one too, but the whole "gg | hl2dm-university.com" actually seems to offend alot of the pub players I've talked to. Some don't understand that it's an actual site, they think it's a site for hax or another way of saying they've been schooled. People who've actually taken the time to give a bit of explanation about site have brought people in though.

BTW, I wouldn't have known of the impulse exploit if it wasn't for Grape. Explained all the extra smg nades and armor I kept finding in those pub servers.

EDIT: PB reminded me that draft was organized by....oh wait, who?...ewR|ninojman...and let's see, who provided the vent server for it? Oh, ewR|sisterFister. So, ya, +2 for us.
Also, 4 ewR players are map contest judges. So, +2 more.

People love controversy. When I first started lurking these forums they were dead, and CAL was on the verge of being roadkill. The playoffs of EE's first CAL season were held up for over 2 months while VDuS and $W were off playing TF2. Now, there's people on this forum all the time, IRC usually has at least a few people talking, and CAL is both forming new teams and resurrecting old ones. I'm not saying ewR is the only thing helping

It is amusing that you are taking any credit at all tbh. Draft night, the map contest, board members posting at CU, and the efforts of many people promoting the site have helped it become what it is, not one team causing controversy. What's next, Grape claiming his promotion of the impulse exploit is the reason that we have Keeper's plugin?

[15:29] <poor_billy> qtpi wanna have a friendly scrim?
[15:29] <ppppp|Qtpi> yeah i do
[15:29] <+psychopompx> nothing is friendly with billy hahaha
[15:29] <ppppp|Qtpi> yo are why i came in here honestly
[15:29] <aParadox_Unplugged> tru dat
[15:29] <+psychopompx> billy>?
[15:29] <ppppp|Qtpi> ^^
[15:30] <ppppp|Qtpi> lol i heard you were the best <3
[15:30] <ppppp|Qtpi> i wanted to get rocked
[15:30] <poor_billy> lol


can I say I bring people to this game?

oh and how was Draft Night made possible? .ewR|SisterFISTER's vent server? .ewR|ninojman organizing everything?

WT's point is that a lot of people contribute.

WT and Keeper keep this site running.

There are other members of the board that have contributed.

Valar helps people with mapping questions.

The instructors teach people when they ask.

Training server = Khaos
I and others are involved in the map contest, not just ewr.

When I first came here I too saw it was kinda dead so I started posting every day. Whether it was just saying hi to new people or input to other threads, I made the effort and that helped to liven things up. Several of us did that. I aso promoted draft night on my forums and through steam which got people to play in it.

Khaos has promoted this site on our pub for over a year. Besides many that have come because of that, I have had at least past and current 8 clan members join the DMU because of my involvement here. Most of them have stopped participating because of the continual flame wars and BS that infects this place now. They see nothing else of value here.

Again the point is that without the efforts of many, this site would not still be here. No one group or person can take full credit.

I also think think that in this case, how you relate to others on a day to day basis can have a large effect on how you are viewed.

This is just an observation and not a judgement: Yes you may be involved but for some reason people seem to judge you more by your actions that are much more visible than your name on a list as map judge. You guys often come off as looking like assholes by the way you interact here at times.

Also as a point of getting the facts straight, as I recall Sister was Redlight when he arranged for the vent server. I forget the name of the team/group the vent belonged to but it was a group he and Modus were members of (Voxtex too I believe?). Also EWR didn't exist nor was WRW resurrected in DM when Nino organized the first draft night. EWR and EE had nothing to do with either of those specifically as EWR, those two people became EWR after the fact.

ewR's membership is retro-active. Those other clans never existed. We're still leading on points, and my point system is infallible.
Also, we're responsible for the capture of Saddam, most of the Mars exploration missions (not including the one where they completely missed Mars, that one was KAT clan), the re-classification of Pluto, the formation of the European Union, climate change, the discovery of the structure of DNA, Bubb Rubb, and Hanson (for which we greatly apologize).

ewR's membership is retro-active. Those other clans never existed. We're still leading on points, and my point system is infallible.
Also, we're responsible for the capture of Saddam, most of the Mars exploration missions (not including the one where they completely missed Mars, that one was KAT clan), the re-classification of Pluto, the formation of the European Union, climate change, the discovery of the structure of DNA, Bubb Rubb, and Hanson (for which we greatly apologize).

When all else fails and your points aren't standing up, go off on some random tangent. well done!

You can claim Nino and Sis contributing draft night if you like, despite the fact that ewR didn't exist at the time and Nino was a Board Member here. If it makes you feel better. It still doesn't change the fact that the controversy brought to the forums by ewR is a drop in the ocean compared to everything else that was done.

Grape telling everyone about impulse exploit <> Keeper programming plugin to fix it

See the difference?

Why everybody gotta break balls?

When all else fails and your points aren't standing up, go off on some random tangent. well done!

Or you can always call someone an idiot and run away.
Google the word "sarcasm".
I never said ewR was the sole reason IRC or this forum is busy. Do I need to quote myself? K.
Serious Rico posted:

People love controversy. When I first started lurking these forums they were dead, and CAL was on the verge of being roadkill. The playoffs of EE's first CAL season were held up for over 2 months while VDuS and $W were off playing TF2. Now, there's people on this forum all the time, IRC usually has at least a few people talking, and CAL is both forming new teams and resurrecting old ones. I'm not saying ewR is the only thing helping, I'm not that conceited by any means, but I am saying that a sunshine, lollipop and rainbow organization is boring, and that people want to see a good fight - especially if it's gets ugly.

OK, hopefully you read that part carefully, because then, Sarcastic Rico posted:

Draft night - tried hard but died.
Map contest - has its own level of controversy to keep it interesting.
Board members post at CU - 2 points for that one.
People promoting - I'll give you a bit of credit for that one too, but the whole "gg | hl2dm-university.com" actually seems to offend alot of the pub players I've talked to. Some don't understand that it's an actual site, they think it's a site for hax or another way of saying they've been schooled. People who've actually taken the time to give a bit of explanation about site have brought people in though.

BTW, I wouldn't have known of the impulse exploit if it wasn't for Grape. Explained all the extra smg nades and armor I kept finding in those pub servers.

EDIT: PB reminded me that draft was organized by....oh wait, who?...ewR|ninojman...and let's see, who provided the vent server for it? Oh, ewR|sisterFister. So, ya, +2 for us.
Also, 4 ewR players are map contest judges. So, +2 more.

See how I introduced a points system there? That's pure lulz. It makes no sense whatsoever. After that, Very Sarcastic Rico posted:

ewR's membership is retro-active. Those other clans never existed. We're still leading on points, and my point system is infallible.
Also, we're responsible for the capture of Saddam, most of the Mars exploration missions (not including the one where they completely missed Mars, that one was KAT clan), the re-classification of Pluto, the formation of the European Union, climate change, the discovery of the structure of DNA, Bubb Rubb, and Hanson (for which we greatly apologize).

My point the whole time being that you put words in my mouth from the start. I swear to god, do I have to honestly start labeling my posts?

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lawl u mad hl2dmu?

Win.

funny how this clip can be directly related to HL2dm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ8X6qTA ... 1&index=36

while you watch it:

replace "fuckin fun park" with "the CAL season"

replace "vacation" with "game"

ROFL

LMAO! That is win.

antiheroes?

selfish, ignorant bigots lacking courage and fortitude. hiding behind masks of anonymity, looking for shortcuts with a relentless belief that the ends justify the means.

gg .ewR

[insert random picture here]

So this is the way cal works eh?

Amusing

Also as a point of getting the facts straight, as I recall Sister was Redlight when he arranged for the vent server. I forget the name of the team/group the vent belonged to but it was a group he and Modus were members of (Voxtex too I believe?). Also EWR didn't exist nor was WRW resurrected in DM when Nino organized the first draft night. EWR and EE had nothing to do with either of those specifically as EWR, those two people became EWR after the fact.

vent was provided by havoc, st0wn3d & me. the team was redlight para.

ewR's membership is retro-active. Those other clans never existed.

|BFDM| will always exist!!!!!

Also, we're responsible for the capture of Saddam, most of the Mars exploration missions (not including the one where they completely missed Mars, that one was KAT clan), the re-classification of Pluto, the formation of the European Union, climate change, the discovery of the structure of DNA, Bubb Rubb, and Hanson (for which we greatly apologize).

Lizard People GTFO

antiheroes?

selfish, ignorant bigots lacking courage and fortitude. hiding behind masks of anonymity, looking for shortcuts with a relentless belief that the ends justify the means.

gg .ewR

lol shortcuts.

one person that didn't help draft night: Impala

WRW opened with hl2dm EE opened with dm_walmart_r4_b2 so therefore .ewR has always been.

people just didn't



about it


Currently the Draft night is held hostage by .ewR

antiheroes?

selfish, ignorant bigots lacking courage and fortitude. hiding behind masks of anonymity, looking for shortcuts with a relentless belief that the ends justify the means.

gg .ewR

lol shortcuts.

sure, i could have that part completely wrong. perhaps .ewR wasn't originally an alliance of very talented players from different clans/teams w/o need of seasoned experience together as a team (i mean really, why waste time training together as a team with that gathering of individual talent? amiright? how could such a talented group of players fail to win it all their very first season together? amiright?) whose sole purpose was to unseat $W.

how'd that work out btw? lol

antiheroes?

selfish, ignorant bigots lacking courage and fortitude. hiding behind masks of anonymity, looking for shortcuts with a relentless belief that the ends justify the means.

gg .ewR

lol shortcuts.

sure, i could have that part completely wrong. perhaps .ewR wasn't originally an alliance of very talented players from different clans/teams w/o need of seasoned experience together as a team (i mean really, why waste time training together as a team with that gathering of individual talent? amiright? how could such a talented group of players fail to win it all their very first season together? amiright?) whose sole purpose was to unseat $W.

how'd that work out btw? lol

Oh yeah you're breaking my heart.

We all know what happened and why the season was halted for some bullshit fucking all of us over, now some tryhard is trying to shit talk us too?

Our sole purpose couldn't have been to play on a team with people we like, get along with and crack each other the fuck up, otherwise not giving a shit about winning until people get e-hemroids like yourself because of our ability, considering our favorite strategy on teamspeak is to crack on each other and top each other with jokes yeah it's serious bizz here.

How is your team doing?

sure, i could have that part completely wrong. perhaps .ewR wasn't originally an alliance of very talented players from different clans/teams w/o need of seasoned experience together as a team (i mean really, why waste time training together as a team with that gathering of individual talent? amiright? how could such a talented group of players fail to win it all their very first season together? amiright?) whose sole purpose was to unseat $W.

how'd that work out btw? lol

OMG, I like you CD, but oh man, you just stacked a bunch of wood up, poured 20 gallons of gas on it, and set up a stand giving away free matches.

brb, going to get a beer and some popcorn.

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sure, i could have that part completely wrong. perhaps .ewR wasn't originally an alliance of very talented players from different clans/teams w/o need of seasoned experience together as a team (i mean really, why waste time training together as a team with that gathering of individual talent? amiright? how could such a talented group of players fail to win it all their very first season together? amiright?) whose sole purpose was to unseat $W.

how'd that work out btw? lol

You do have that part completely wrong. People started saying we were formed to take down $W, but we weren't the ones to 1st make that claim. You might have heard someone like New Guy make that claim while he and sF were doing the rL or reRe thing, but that was never the intent of the original members. We actually started playing together as a joke and we found out that we enjoyed playing together. People hyped us and we rode the wave after it was started.
Our beef with $W came from them saying that some "no name clan is never gonna beat us" bullshit.

BTW, we were undefeated in 4v4 until we decided to quti. I'd say that worked out OK.

hi.

cellar, players like you should even be allowed to talk to players like us. go sit at the kiddy table and let the good players handle this.

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sure, i could have that part completely wrong. perhaps .ewR wasn't originally an alliance of very talented players from different clans/teams w/o need of seasoned experience together as a team (i mean really, why waste time training together as a team with that gathering of individual talent? amiright? how could such a talented group of players fail to win it all their very first season together? amiright?) whose sole purpose was to unseat $W.

how'd that work out btw? lol

You do have that part completely wrong. People started saying we were formed to take down $W, but we weren't the ones to 1st make that claim. You might have heard someone like New Guy make that claim while he and sF were doing the rL or reRe thing, but that was never the intent of the original members. We actually started playing together as a joke and we found out that we enjoyed playing together. People hyped us and we rode the wave after it was started.
Our beef with $W came from them saying that some "no name clan is never gonna beat us" bullshit.

BTW, we were undefeated in 4v4 until we decided to quti. I'd say that worked out OK.

now see that? there's an intelligent, well spoken response. which i knew rico would provide.

*Hovers over thread with giant padlock*

Oh yeah you're breaking my heart.

We all know what happened and why the season was halted for some bullshit fucking all of us over, now some tryhard is trying to shit talk us too?

Our sole purpose couldn't have been to play on a team with people we like, get along with and crack each other the fuck up, otherwise not giving a shit about winning until people get e-hemroids like yourself because of our ability, considering our favorite strategy on teamspeak is to crack on each other and top each other with jokes yeah it's serious bizz here.

How is your team doing?

antiheroes was not my choice for describing .ewR. the characteristics provided above are well accepted attributes of classic literary antiheroes.

and remember, controversy brought everyone to the yard. right? i guess controversy isn't isn't good when directed at .ewR

*Hovers over thread with giant padlock*

i'm being civil

...snip...

ewR has beaten $W many, many times in scrims, and matches. $W has also beaten ewR many times as well. I feel that both teams are pretty damn equal in the skill department, and I feel that as long as this CAL season isn't fucked up from some bullshit like last season (even though it already is with the main and open teams...what a joke), there should be some close matches.

that part was pretty good. the rest was kinda meh.

hi.

cellar, players like you should even be allowed to talk to players like us. go sit at the kiddy table and let the good players handle this.

nice chattin with ya pb. bye now.

*leaves kiddy table*

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and remember, controversy brought everyone to the yard. right? i guess controversy isn't isn't good when directed at .ewR

I'm not gonna say "I told you so" or anything here, but....
And we're fine with shit being directed at us. It's been that way since the beginning. There's no point in changing things now.

well all I can say is......LOL

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hehehe, I done new this would happen.....called it. ***grabs another beer and puts another bag of popcorn in*** carry on. NOOO LOOCKKKSSSS yet WT>

LLOOOKKKKK WWHHHAAAATTTTT CCCCELLAR HAASSSS CCRRREEAAATTEEED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp9bghz ... re=related

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hehehe, I done new this would happen.....called it. ***grabs another beer and puts another bag of popcorn in*** carry on. NOOO LOOCKKKSSSS yet WT>

LLOOOKKKKK WWHHHAAAATTTTT CCCCELLAR HAASSSS CCRRREEAAATTEEED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp9bghz ... re=related

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he made a fire, and is now pouring fuel on that fire, it was subtle, i know.

hehehe, I done new this would happen.....called it. ***grabs another beer and puts another bag of popcorn in*** carry on. NOOO LOOCKKKSSSS yet WT>

LLOOOKKKKK WWHHHAAAATTTTT CCCCELLAR HAASSSS CCRRREEAAATTEEED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp9bghz ... re=related

Yep Nutri thats all I can say, just sit back and laugh at the FAIL that this thread is. No point in adding anything, its just not worth the effort, time and energy that I would waste on it.
Besides, thats exactly what you want, so fuck it ---------->

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im on record as saying i have no problem with most members of ewR individually.

but somewhere along the journey, it seems to me that ewR as a group jumped off the tracks. in response to a slight from one clan, ewR rampaged against any and all?

maybe it was all for the lulz, its just an internet game after all. and i get the commraderie that comes with the territory. and i get that different groups of people have different tastes in humor.

yet... ewR remains the only clan/team within this community that crossed over from internet gaming rivalry into real life harassment. that tells me something went awry.

ewR rides on 24-inch chrome and stacks paper to the ceiling.

im on record as saying i have no problem with most members of ewR individually.

but somewhere along the journey, it seems to me that ewR as a group jumped off the tracks. in response to a slight from one clan, ewR rampaged against any and all?

maybe it was all for the lulz, its just an internet game after all. and i get the commraderie that comes with the territory. and i get that different groups of people have different tastes in humor.

yet... ewR remains the only clan/team within this community that crossed over from internet gaming rivalry into real life harassment. that tells me something went awry.

A very good point.
Harassing someone in real life via prank phone calls or whatever, is a dick move.

Yes I can be one of the biggest assholes online, but with great skill online comes great urges to act like a complete douche.

That is why you fail

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Yes I can be one of the biggest assholes online, but with great skill online comes great urges to act like a complete douche.

That is why you fail

lol...but I don't fail. I win.

I guess if that is the way you see it. You are one of many great dm players. It's just unfortunate that many of you act like 6 year olds. I just dont see why alot of dm players have no class, thats all.

1v1?

Why? How about you come to our server and help me get a pub game going. 1v1's dont help this game.

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Yes I can be one of the biggest assholes online, but with great skill online comes great urges to act like a complete douche.

I guess if that is the way you see it. You are one of many great dm players. It's just unfortunate that many of you act like 6 year olds. I just dont see why alot of dm players have no class, thats all.

if you think this is bad go play some css.

Nutri,

I am not sure where it was said that a bunch of "nobodies" wouldn't beat $W. The closest post I can find to that was one by Valiums: "And it's safe to say that if Helk plays for $W with Seagull, Luke and TLC, that nobody will even come within 50 points of a win against $W, you can mark my words on that if they have that lineup playing" in this thread: http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... a&start=60.

In any case, if some one did actually say it, they were an douche for doing so because no one on your team, nor the clans it arose from were unknown at the time.

Very few people in this game truely know each other, but people do make judgements on what they see. I dont know you and I dont pretend to, I can only go on the evidence you provide. People can't turn off who they are with a switch, and how you act online can give a very good indication of the person you are. Your statement: "I can be one of the biggest assholes online" is the perfect example. If that is all that people see then that is what they will believe. Its up to you to show differently IF you want to. If you dont then you shouldnt be surprised that people think the way they do and nothing short of changing what people see will change their minds.

I will also say that there are people in EE/EWR that I dont have any issues with either. Chemicalburn, Josey, GhostDog and Sgt. Pepper are all good guys. I generally dont have an issue with Rico. Other than the whole CAL debacle, I think Nino is a good guy as well. As for the rest, there are times that I do believe you are assholes in general, based on what I have seen. I dont believe in making a judgement about an entire group based on the actions of one or a few individuals, but instead consider each individual for his or her own merits and the evidence they show me in their attitudes and behavior.

Yes I can be one of the biggest assholes online, but with great skill online comes great urges to act like a complete douche.

I guess if that is the way you see it. You are one of many great dm players. It's just unfortunate that many of you act like 6 year olds. I just dont see why alot of dm players have no class, thats all.

if you think this is bad go play some css.

Ya, CSS is bad, but it also has a much bigger player base.

i think what he meant para was someone from sw said that while in game, my guess is tlc or seagull.

I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams...

Act I
Richard III

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I'm glad that you aren't juding an entire group of people based on the actions of certain individuals.

Either way, $W and their followers were cocky, so we decided to cause some rivalry.

lol, I saw that too. Grain, you gotta tighten the fuck up on paragraph consistency and clarity.

It's k. We know who we like and who we don't, Luke. You get +1 point for catching that, which puts you and con at 4 over par compared to the rest of your clan. Munster is 3 over just because he seems like a nice guy.

Just in case no one has noticed - my point system rocks. BTW, some of you are in a deficit. Get your shit together.

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It's just unfortunate that many of you act like 6 year olds.

Yet it is funny how everyone who claims hating them (or anyone with similar behavior online or in life) understand and know they're having a blast doing what they do (why would they do it then) and yet you play their game, only fueling what you hate.

If someone wants to be hated and some are willing to be haters, who's the real problem really?


If you wanna know how to fix the problem, highlight for solution!
Stop giving a fuck.

It's just unfortunate that many of you act like 6 year olds.

Yet it is funny how everyone who claims hating them (or anyone with similar behavior online or in life) understand and know they're having a blast doing what they do (why would they do it then) and yet you play their game, only fueling what you hate.

If someone wants to be hated and some are willing to be haters, who's the real problem really?


If you wanna know how to fix the problem, highlight for solution!
Stop giving a fuck.

I dont care lol. It's just bad for the game, that's all.

It's just unfortunate that many of you act like 6 year olds.

Yet it is funny how everyone who claims hating them (or anyone with similar behavior online or in life) understand and know they're having a blast doing what they do (why would they do it then) and yet you play their game, only fueling what you hate.

If someone wants to be hated and some are willing to be haters, who's the real problem really?


If you wanna know how to fix the problem, highlight for solution!
Stop giving a fuck.

+1 point for insight.

Yet it is funny how everyone who claims hating them (or anyone with similar behavior online or in life) understand and know they're having a blast doing what they do (why would they do it then) and yet you play their game, only fueling what you hate.

Stop giving a fuck.

in the top ten best points made on this site

that must be where i part ways with other people.

i'm not hating at all. but i am wanting to discuss. and this is my general opinion towards all those "villian" wannabees out there.

i take issue with racial slurs. and i let people know i take issue. if they continue, i leave/mute/ignore/etc. how is that hating? i shouldn't give a fuck about racial slurs?

i take issue with lies and deception. especially if the motivation is to intentionally humiliate or demean other players in this community. you got a personal beef with a single player? take it up with them. subjecting other people to your vendetta is not going to earn any respect. you don't want to earn respect? thats your choice. don't be all butthurt when respect isn't shown.

i take issue with internet gaming rivalries crossing over into real life. that's just completely fucked up. anyone else finding such outrageous behavior worth a hardy har har is also messed up. any team/clan that would condone such behavior w/o giving that member the boot has some flaws to work out.

i suppose ignoring the beast is part of the choice. but not the only choice. i am not the type to go gentle into that good night.

Agree with CD on this one. I don't hold grudges, but I was pretty pissed off at the time that Fusion got jerked around by people I previously respected, and trusted not to include us.

I don't see any problem with giving the public a vote, then making a decision based on their experience, after all, they are running the league. If it were a 'true' democracy, then all sorts of maps would be played, and CAL would not become the structured entity that it is.

Conflict gives such good advice sometimes. It's too bad no one pays attention.