CAL undergoes changes, officially.

Originally the rumor was CAL was dead, which is why I had to edit my post to this and why jelly fox said RIP, my fault. CAL is now officially undergoing a sight update, an introduction of a new, supposedly tougher anti-cheat system and pay for play, like everyone was saying before gtfo of here and go post on CPL to use pay for play for HL2DM, gg homework time, or HAMMER TIME!

There should be fun leagues if they are going to do a pay to play. Like two different leagues. One for those who want to pay to win cash, and those that just want to have fun.

A few weeks ago the acquisition was finalized and this weekend we have commenced the process of transferring CAL to new host servers in the United Kingdom.

Do think this means they're going to involve the UK? have we always been involved? I would of played in CAL if it wasn't for the ping.

You've been involved. But the rules have clarified that the server must be in Canada or the U.S.

Oh that sucks. hope they change that

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This is the last thing i saw on the cal site

lolololol

A few weeks ago the acquisition was finalized and this weekend we have commenced the process of transferring CAL to new host servers in the United Kingdom.

Do think this means they're going to involve the UK? have we always been involved? I would of played in CAL if it wasn't for the ping.

a few cal-leagues have had euro divisions

There should be fun leagues if they are going to do a pay to play. Like two different leagues. One for those who want to pay to win cash, and those that just want to have fun.

Seems this will be the case.

There should be fun leagues if they are going to do a pay to play. Like two different leagues. One for those who want to pay to win cash, and those that just want to have fun.

Don't you know? You can't play competatively for FUN?
Thats just impossible and it is crazy to think that anyone could play competatively for FUN.

Seeing as I'm the only person in HL2DM with expendable money looks like I'll be playing myself in the new pay for play, gg tho guys.

Seeing as I'm the only person in HL2DM with expendable money looks like I'll be playing myself in the new pay for play, gg tho guys.

wheres the pay for play division or whatever on the site?

The details and implementation of the system are being worked on as we speak. TBH I don't even know if CPL will include HL2DM in the pay to play program. In another words patience my Son.

Pay for me vals and will play for you, thats what CEVO teams do.

Pay for me vals and will play for you, thats what CEVO teams do.

You're a poet and didnt knowit.

Pay for me vals and will play for you, thats what CEVO teams do.

Wack, so all I gotta do is chain you up in a basement for matches and I get all the camera time and ladies? I'm down. Oh and why would I pay you, I usually do better in 2on2's against or with you lulz. I'll pay Poor_Billy and feed him energy drinks and whip him if gets out of hand.

P.S. I'm getting my Alienware upgraded soooo I'll be back for matches and scrims around Monday.

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There should be fun leagues if they are going to do a pay to play. Like two different leagues. One for those who want to pay to win cash, and those that just want to have fun.

Don't you know? You can't play competatively for FUN?
Thats just impossible and it is crazy to think that anyone could play competatively for FUN.

I'm not going to pay for fun. Then it just becomes WoW.

sar-ca-sim

Pay for me vals and I* will play for you, thats what CEVO teams do.

oh shet forgot to put that I, how embarrassing.

Pay for me vals and will play for you, thats what CEVO teams do.

Wack, so all I gotta do is chain you up in a basement for matches and I get all the camera time and ladies? I'm down. Oh and why would I pay you, I usually do better in 2on2's against or with you lulz. I'll pay Poor_Billy and feed him energy drinks and whip him if gets out of hand.

P.S. I'm getting my Alienware upgraded soooo I'll be back for matches and scrims around Monday.

I meant for the entrance fee to play the league, not like what dallas did.

"I usually do better in 2on2's against or with you lulz."

haha what do i need to post screenies?

Pay for me vals and will play for you, thats what CEVO teams do.

Wack, so all I gotta do is chain you up in a basement for matches and I get all the camera time and ladies? I'm down. Oh and why would I pay you, I usually do better in 2on2's against or with you lulz. I'll pay Poor_Billy and feed him energy drinks and whip him if gets out of hand.

P.S. I'm getting my Alienware upgraded soooo I'll be back for matches and scrims around Monday.

I meant for the entrance fee to play the league, not like what dallas did.

"I usually do better in 2on2's against or with you lulz."

haha what do i need to post screenies?

Nah it's koo haha. I'm not going to get into screenie wars because I know you have just as many screens of me doing bad as I do of you doing bad. Plus my comps getting upgraded so I wouldnt even be able to retaliate for a long time

suuure

140mb of screenies and i only see you top frag maybe 1 out of 10.

suuure

140mb of screenies and i only see you top frag maybe 1 out of 10.

Haha ok. Fine you asked for it I'm gonna post some from recent scrims then when my comp gets back. Yeah I already know you got me in the screens when we played confused and Lukegt, but I wasn't the one who died with 5 seconds left tie game.

losers

suuure

140mb of screenies and i only see you top frag maybe 1 out of 10.

Haha ok. Fine you asked for it I'm gonna post some from recent scrims then when my comp gets back. Yeah I already know you got me in the screens when we played confused and Lukegt, but I wasn't the one who died with 5 seconds left tie game.

i wasn't the one with a negative kdr, but that's neither here nor there.

i will just leave this here, before i go to class.

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42 deaths blas? Get the FUCK out.

Harsh dewd...using a screeny of a match I gave up on :/

you can avoid that by never giving up on matches

you can avoid that by never giving up on matches

nice add bro

dude i didn't even pay money for this game.

dude i didn't even pay money for this game.

yea i didn't either for my other 2 accounts wow?

dude i wish i was u!!

dude i wish i was u!!

if only.

So do we have any idea as to when everything will be finished? I tried to log onto the site today, and it said username does not exist. I'm assuming the transfer is still going on. This is my first season in cal, and so far nothing good has come out of it

So do we have any idea as to when everything will be finished? I tried to log onto the site today, and it said username does not exist. I'm assuming the transfer is still going on. This is my first season in cal, and so far nothing good has come out of it

Welcome to hl2dm-cal

So do we have any idea as to when everything will be finished? I tried to log onto the site today, and it said username does not exist. I'm assuming the transfer is still going on. This is my first season in cal, and so far nothing good has come out of it

Welcome to hl2dm-cal

MMMMMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Thanks?

Well it seems the site is back up. Can any of the admins log in?

Well here is an update as I understand it.

The Admins still cant get into the admin sections of the CAL website.

I asked one of the higher admins if they knew what was going on.
The response was that the new owners are going through some legal mumbo jumbo and there is no idea when (or if) things will resume.
Also the person I spoke too shared my and our frustration over it and said it was complete BS. It should have been 2 weeks but its been a month.

If CAL does resume, I wonder if its worth continuing with the current season or scraping it and starting over?

i tend to agree that starting the season over from scratch makes the most sense.

the longer this goes on, the more likely i will no longer be able to admin for CAL. i would likely be able to play on a limited basis, but the adminning takes up too much time. spring is here. summer is around the corner. my vegetables are planted, the woods need some clearing, rivers need canoeing, fish need some catching, beer needs some drinking and meat needs some grilling.

i tend to agree that starting the season over from scratch makes the most sense.

the longer this goes on, the more likely i will no longer be able to admin for CAL. i would likely be able to play on a limited basis, but the adminning takes up too much time. spring is here. summer is around the corner. my vegetables are planted, the woods need some clearing, rivers need canoeing, fish need some catching, beer needs some drinking and meat needs some grilling.

i think this has put the nail in the coffin anyway. im pretty sure this is the end of competitive hl2dm play. i mean, look at how many matches were actually played when the season WAS going. maybe 15%........with 80% of the teams just dropping out.

Yea I have to agree. The number of actual played matches is nothing short of pathetic. Hate to say it, but maybe it is best to call it a league, say GG and move on.

just take out main and open and just have it all in one, who really cares about people complaining when they get dominated by better teams, it happens all the time in CAL-css open with all the reform teams, i know all it does is push me to get better when i get rolled.

plus the only way to get any better is to play against people who are better than you.

i think more games were played in the open divisions than main. idk, thats prolly whats gonna happen, if anything

well over 9000 css teams joined main, so of course they arent going to play their matches. i dont think you should consider giving up on hl2dm league play just yet.

Severity anyone?

CAL is undergoing changes all right. It is irrelevant.

just take out main and open and just have it all in one, who really cares about people complaining when they get dominated by better teams, it happens all the time in CAL-css open with all the reform teams, i know all it does is push me to get better when i get rolled.

plus the only way to get any better is to play against people who are better than you.

I have to sadly agree with this assessment, I thought having an open division would bring in more new teams, and well look what happened.

just take out main and open and just have it all in one, who really cares about people complaining when they get dominated by better teams, it happens all the time in CAL-css open with all the reform teams, i know all it does is push me to get better when i get rolled.

plus the only way to get any better is to play against people who are better than you.

I have to sadly agree with this assessment, I thought having an open division would bring in more new teams, and well look what happened.

well, as a famous inventory once said "i didnt fail 100 times, i successfully found 100 ways that didnt work"

we tried, it didnt work. now we know.

edit: btw.....2 years ago, this would have worked. but 2 years ago i had never heard of HL2dm.!!!

I doubt that not having the open division would have made any difference. For 4v4, I am not sure that the teams that were active in 4v4 open would have stayed in main and you would have the same teams in main as you dor right now. Even after I removed the BS CSS teams, main went one week where no matches were played at all and I had to announce that I would keep those matches open and the teams would have to figure out when to play them. 2v2 main did not fair much better.

The fact still remains no matter what division you look at, matches are not getting played which tells me people are not into playing them or this game any more.

Especially now with the fuck up on CAL's end, is there a point in wasting everyone's time in trying to continue a dead league? Does anyone still think DM will get moved to the OB engine and if it does will it even make a difference?

I am just making points for discussion, I am not entirely sure where I stand at this point.

Trash CAL and lets all unite to find a solid and effective way to bring back Draft Nights back to life.

The old model with nino in Vent would take decades before it starts and was generally confusing, and with all this, people waited to play, because yes, it was that much fun.
Try new maps, meet new people, relax chill laugh and frag instead of the usual serious business bs lived in competitive play.

Amen

Trash CAL and lets all unite to find a solid and effective way to bring back Draft Nights back to life.

The old model with nino in Vent would take decades before it starts and was generally confusing, and with all this, people waited to play, because yes, it was that much fun.
Try new maps, meet new people, relax chill laugh and frag instead of the usual serious business bs lived in competitive play.

Amen

totally agree. but i think that it should be run:

1-maybe saturday night?
2-have a sign up list as a sticky, ppl can put their name down if they wanna play in that weeks matches. have like a saturday morning roster lock. then have a few ppl in charge of spliting the names into even teams, or a random draft maybe. basically have it done ahead of time.
3-also have a map vote list....NEW maps ffs, lol.

saturday? SATURDAY??

i'm an old married man and even i find stuff to do saturday nights that dont include sitting at home in front of a computer.

at least offer some rotating nights for the draft. my only fear about setting things up ahead of time, is people deciding they dont like their team and not showing up. maybe set it up ahead of time but only announce the teams when they show up in vent. pretty much anything is worth a try at this point.

I think draft night could be a good thing, and I'd be willing to help organize it if indeed CAL doesn't come back.

I think draft night could be a good thing, and I'd be willing to help organize it if indeed CAL doesn't come back.

I just got back from FLA, Check the Draft Channel. Everyone Add the Vent info to your Vent.

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... 5&start=20

what part of FLA?

Yea I have to agree. The number of actual played matches is nothing short of pathetic. Hate to say it, but maybe it is best to call it a league, say GG and move on.

CU anyone?
150 PING IS AWESOME

what part of FLA?

Went to Crystal River (just out of Gainsville on the west Coast for a few days to visit family)
Drove to Clearwater (west of Tampa) for lunch then down i-75 and across the gades into Fort Lauderdale for more family. Had lunch in Miami. Then drove up to Charlotte NC and hung out with some friends at this Wine Cafe and Anthony Hamilton showed up


Check out the rules and make sure it all makes sense.

might need to add stuff as we go etc.

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... 539#p47539

Needless to say don't cheat

LOL the only thing more pathetic than cheating in HL2DM CAL would be cheating in draft night.

Is it true that CAL was bought by a Arab organization specifically for CSS now?
It says it on Wikipedia I guess.
Kinda sucks... All we have is Warzone now, but I dunno if enough of you would want to play it, else wise you'll just say nah, because your 911 haters or whatever your reason may be, but I don't see much of a choice out there anywhere else unless a new STA is started or something.

It is true it was bought by an Arab organization. I dont know if it is only for CSS but that would be pretty short sited of them to just focus on that, considering the other games available. There is/was something in the works, but I am not sure if that is still the case. No offense to you or 911, but I kinda dont really like the idea of a league run by a one clan/team (and by that I mean ANY clan or team) with no higher level, non potentially biased authority to go to.

Ugh...

but I kinda dont really like the idea of a league run by a one clan/team (and by that I mean ANY clan or team) with no higher level, non potentially biased authority to go to.

you mean like CAL?

anyway if CAL doesn't comeback you can try to get this new league to pick up hl2dm. http://www.builtonenergy.com/

Umm ya not the same at all Blas, not even close. Dont get all but hurt. I am not picking in 911, it is just that 911 happens to be the sponsor/creator/managment of Warzone. If it was DND, EC, or any other clan/team I would feel exactly the same. In fact DND tried to recruit us to some sort of league they were trying to do and I didnt get involved with them either.

Just to get the facts straight, the regular (stock settings) CAL divisions had/has admins from $W, EE and Khaos (and at one time FLaS or Fusion, not to mention Bahlik before he bailed) plus add one more clan/team for the killbox divison (two before Tazzer had to resign). Last I checked 3/4/5/6 does not equal 1, at least not in any number system I am familiar with. The clan diversity would be greater if dependable people could be found from other teams and recruited, but alas they are hard to find.

There are higher level admins that are not clan affiiliated to go to. Unlike Warzone where pretty much one person from one team calls the shots and there is no one else to go to beyond that. In CAL, if the majority of the admins brought an issue to the higher admins against another admin or the GM, you damn well bet they would listen.

Also, not that ACS is perfect by any means but CAL had that as an added feature.

It is not the same period and I refuse to debate it further so don't even bother.

i wasn't "but hurt" that you pointed out the fact warzone was only ran by 911(dallas) but yea.

shit i wish my dad was a seal

hey that builtonenergy league looks k to me we should try

Or.. we can all go on TV to become the ultimate gamer as seen on TV [sci fi channel] brought to you by http://www.wcg.com/6th/main.asp ... sadly you would have to play a load of lame games as well to keep it interesting for the masses and they could make the girl to guy ratio something like half .... and here I thought we were special with all the backstabbing, bitching, winning, attention whoring and hatin but ....no

Or we could get one of the cyn^ guys to restart STA. It wouldnt be biased, because they hardly play anymore.

hey that builtonenergy league looks k to me we should try

hey that builtonenergy league looks k to me we should try

Confused and I both wrote emails to the head of that league about a month back or so, whenever it was first up. Nothing has come of it yet but maybe if more people write in. I also went to their irc channel and spoke with the man directly and he said he'd think about it.

hey that builtonenergy league looks k to me we should try

Confused and I both wrote emails to the head of that league about a month back or so, whenever it was first up. Nothing has come of it yet but maybe if more people write in. I also went to their irc channel and spoke with the man directly and he said he'd think about it.

ya they want us to prove that enough ppl play for a league to be started

good. do it.

Heh if it depends on numbers....lol Need I say more?

Umm ya not the same at all Blas, not even close. Dont get all but hurt. I am not picking in 911, it is just that 911 happens to be the sponsor/creator/managment of Warzone.

I tried to get other people involved. Chem is not part of 911 and he is part of the administration crew, he and I are the only ones who run it basically so dont say its a 911 thing.

Like I said I have tried to get other people involved but everyone was all tied up in CAL and that seemed to work out reeeeeal well.

Host a league like clans united here. Gather willing players to run it, vote for who/whom to run it. Choose a new system which actually works without dictatorship and corrupt final maps etc etc. Now you guys have the chance to actually bring the community close together and fixing what you thought was wrong with cal. Just my two cents.

Host a league like clans united here. Gather willing players to run it, vote for who/whom to run it. Choose a new system which actually works without dictatorship and corrupt final maps etc etc. Now you guys have the chance to actually bring the community close together and fixing what you thought was wrong with cal. Just my two cents.

second!

Host a league like clans united here. Gather willing players to run it, vote for who/whom to run it. Choose a new system which actually works without dictatorship and corrupt final maps etc etc. Now you guys have the chance to actually bring the community close together and fixing what you thought was wrong with cal. Just my two cents.

It is easy to say but it is not so easy to do and do right.

It is easy to say but it is not so easy to do and do right.

Well, the biggest problem, I believe, lies in getting a big enough part of the community to jump train. Seems like the perfect opportunity if you can get a neutral and mature person to be in charge, and preferrable follow the Clans-United model with a bunch of elected admins partitioning responsibilites amongst themselves. If you couple that with a decent turnover in the admin pool, you will quickly get several people who knows by practical experience what it means to run something like this and, hence, respect for the people currently in charge when they themselves are regular players again.

I'm up for the job if you need a starter, i can set up the model. I've been admin at cu and know how it works. If you have any interest so to say.

should just expand CU to have a NA section.

CU for all!

I seriously considered running a league out of DMU, but I just don't have the time. People get ants in their pants as it is when this site gets too out of date lol.

should just expand CU to have a NA section.

I will see what I can do about that. I'll come back when I have more information.

I guess a cu world wide ain't gonna happen due to prejudices etc. The community in Europe ain't to NA friendly, sad enough :/. The fuzz a merge would create would rather break the community than do what it could do, unite two halves of a game.

But the whole system of cu can be offered to set up somewhere else. Here for example. I'm willing as mentioned before to take care of everything to get it running. To help the people willing to admin getting started. Then it's all up to them to continue the work by themselves if they would like to.

well as I told Sho combining the two would create a lot of problems plus Cu has always consider something that hl2dm European players could call their own accommodating NA player would seem like someone is crashing their party so to speak. It can create a headache for us admins and we really not up for it.

I just wonder if you guys can get another gaming organisation to take on hl2dm and do the job CAL did their should be loads of them out there that could be persuaded.

But as said guys in CU don't mind giving some help if you choose to create your own CU. We can give a resources to manage your own CU but you will need to know webspell sadly since that what we use.

You just need to group together and work on it as a community.

People get ants in their pants as it is when this site gets too out of date lol.

Raid will solve that.

You just need to group together

Actually I have heard that this is happening. I dont know much more about it, but when I do I will pass it on.
Hang in there people.

Meanwhile I think Nino had the idea for a 2v2 tourny or something like that which would hold us over until something new develops.

Having followed the drama at cu off and on over the games lifetime, i can safely say theyve been no better than cal/sta etc as far as admin corruption, bs dispute verdicts and the like. Voting honestly doesnt seem to work any better than a dictatorship in these online leagues; you just end up with a different set of problems.

Also every one of the free online leagues has ended up being run by admins who also compete in the league, which is a major issue for obvious reasons, but then theres little reason for a neutral, non-participating party to stay active and interested in spending their time adminning and administrating, and this situation ends up being especially horrible if the league head isnt also a competitive player and is accordingly clueless when various rules or gameplay issues crop up.

Anyway im sure theres a solution here somewhere, but damn if i can be bothered to find it. Glhf to those who can!

Having followed the drama at cu off and on over the games lifetime, i can safely say theyve been no better than cal/sta etc as far as admin corruption, bs dispute verdicts and the like. Voting honestly doesnt seem to work any better than a dictatorship in these online leagues; you just end up with a different set of problems.

Also every one of the free online leagues has ended up being run by admins who also compete in the league, which is a major issue for obvious reasons, but then theres little reason for a neutral, non-participating party to stay active and interested in spending their time adminning and administrating, and this situation ends up being especially horrible if the league head isnt also a competitive player and is accordingly clueless when various rules or gameplay issues crop up.

Anyway im sure theres a solution here somewhere, but damn if i can be bothered to find it. Glhf to those who can!

The thing is that it has been 1 or two seasons where it wasn't dictatorship. When nix went away. Cu was flourishing till he once returned and then it went down again and now he's returning from time to time. The two seasons i stayed at the admin post before Nix got back was great with admins with voices from at least 5 different clans.

hey we let you euros play in cal and there wasnt any problems that im aware of.

I'm not the hostile one ;D but I know many people are. I could try to fix a poll at cu and ask what they think.

hey we let you euros play in cal and there wasnt any problems that im aware of.

i'm sorry but i just couldn't ignore the carelessness in which this line was written. "you euros" ??? you can and i think should rewrite this. this my friend, is not respectful.

I think he meant that like, you guys or ya all play in CAL.

this sentence sounds bad. interpret it however you want. but the "we let you" and "you euros" just doesn't sound good anyway you wanna flip it.

i guess it sounds bad not offending anyone but bad gets what im trying to say

fucking euros.

i don't mean a full blown merge, just a usage of the site for a completely separate Na League.
But ya, plenty of other NA leagues that hl2dm could try to talk to about joining.
Hard since the game is older, but I am sure some league would take hl2dm up.

IDK I hope you guys figure out something... The competitive community seems to be tetering on dying. There's still plenty of peeps to make something work but I hope it's soon because TF2 and CSS seem to pick off competitive players one by one the longer we go without a decent league. I'd like to see a 3-4 admin roundtable comprised of Ninoj, Paradox, Walking Target/Ko Tao, and a representitive from 911/SW, I.E. LukeGT or Da11as.


@Blas, damn you don't gotta completely hang up the cleats, come back at least once or twice a week for a scrim on weekends, don't see any harm in playing once or twice a week sheesh

true i might do that, i had spring brake and nothing planned so Ive been playing css on this other account so people wont bug.

my bro is lagging with reformatting the computer, still waiting on him to put his shit on my external hd.

Tell Fubar to quti being a homo and he needs to restart Nookie so we can have some lulz.

hes pretty much the only one that still wears the tag.

Well this game needs a comp to keep it on the map as being something competitive. Frankly tho CU has been there for European players its never been anything big enough to be recognised in the gaming community and probably never will. Its served us in the absence of esl which brought in competitive players in the past but CU is still ameatur and really does open the game up to the rest of the gaming community.

If the game going to be taken seriously it need to be part of a larger gaming community than it self. There was a opportunity in esl for hl2dm but no one really stepped up to the plate and so now it in control of admins that hardly play the game say the least it already failed before it started for us in europe. Now I'm sure esl do operate in NA and they have ran hl2dm comp before I don't know but I think if you get hold of them and offer them you have so and so x amount of players that are willing to play they can open comp down your end and hopefully you can get people in admin position that know the game and are level headed.

As for ko well drama not to isolated CU from what I seen in the CAL had its own share of drama and it pretty much happens in most gaming community when things go wrong also don't ever use a poll on league decisions it mostly end up in a mess of hypocrisy. Also CU is dependent on the people running it if you got narrow minded peeps running it trouble starts. I still recommend getting a other gaming community to host hl2dm than going down the CU sort path but if you do you need a couple of things.
1.good set of admins from as many different clans as possible also must be respected by the community.
2.listen to the community mainly peeps that speak in adult way (has all ways been my rule to ignore flamer and trolls opinions)
3.Try not to force things and keep the community well informed make them feel like they have a say
4.avoid polls as all cost they can be manipulated and put admins in a corner on what they can do. You should really look internally between admins on what you should do usually have a public topic on it to help get idea what the community wants also it help identify real issues or just a moron with nothing else to do but complain polls don't show you this.
5.good system in place

and phantom as far as I know we do allow NA players but same reason why there was little EU players in CAL was due to time zones and you had to play on servers based there as well.