clans-united goes world wide? - HL2DMU Forum Archive

koncentrate

2010-01-09 21:14:44

hey guys.

911 asked in our forums if they could play at cu as there are no more north american leagues for hl2dm. we are happy if new clans would join us, still we see the reasons why it can be hard to play in europe servers and follow "europe rules" for example for americans. so the idea came that cu could host a north american league. maybe we can change rules for this league with ff off and us-servers for example. cu could offer the forums and the place to post wars etc.
what i want to know now, is, if this is worth to be started (means are enough teams there to start an own league for americans, australians etc)

if you have a team and are willing to play in a league then add my with my profile:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/koncentrate

hope we can start this.

greetz

KoN

Blasphemy

2010-01-10 07:22:43

i would be down if there were enough teams.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-01-10 18:06:11

i think this topic came up b4. although it would be nice to have some league going for the few remaining comp. players i just dont see it working. how would this be any different then warzone or CAL? whether the league is a NA based division of cu or a independent league the principle is the same.

koncentrate

2010-01-10 18:14:50

Well, most players in cu rly doesnt care about americans playing or not. Cu is running fine with you guys or without you. This is just to be meant as a possibility to play competitive again

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-01-10 18:23:50

koncentrate wrote:Well, most players in cu rly doesnt care about americans playing or not. Cu is running fine with you guys or without you. This is just to be meant as a possibility to play competitive again

oh, this was not a shot against you, sorry if it seemed that way. i think your offer is very generous. what i was saying was a shot against US. you see, we cant have nice things here.

phantom

2010-01-10 22:03:50

brb reviving flas

Uncle Rico

2010-01-10 23:35:15

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:you see, we cant have nice things here.

Exactly. Just read through some of the posts here and you'll understand, kon. It would be a wasted effort.

phantom wrote:brb reviving flas

lewl

Zman42

2010-01-11 07:24:09

phantom wrote:brb reviving flas

*drags self out of hibernation* grumble, someone say something about flas?

Blasphemy

2010-01-11 07:39:18

brb reviving ug

lead

2010-01-11 11:48:28

wow the enthusiasm is overwhelming n'est-ce pas

koncentrate

2010-01-11 15:49:43

guys... it is really simple here. all i would like to read is:

nice idea, im in with a team i talk to you asap.

what i dont want to read:

all this bullshit ive read in 100s topics before.

thx

Edge

2010-01-11 23:29:03

I can get a team together I'm sure.

vaporizer

2010-01-12 00:07:07

yea i'm pretty sure we're down to play if there are enough teams. I'm sure Luke will get SW to play, same with divinity getting Xs to play. And some other clans i've seen playing, don't know if they would want to play for the league though.

Blasphemy

2010-01-12 00:07:56

me, vals and bahlk could prob make a team.

Sacrifist

2010-01-12 01:41:32

This thread is 50% lol and 50% interesting. Are these 3 man teams? If so, Elite may be interested.

Poor_Billy

2010-01-12 01:46:56

ewr will enter a team and not show up to any of our matches.

gg.

McGee

2010-01-12 01:55:39

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SpD is down with this. We all still want to play competively. CU coming to the US would be a great thing to pick up where Warzone left off. I also think that all the North American Clans should talk more on the config settings such as friendly fire being turned off, this seems to be an open discussion because some of the players are more open to try a different kind of competition.

§pÐ|McGee

Paradox

2010-01-12 02:18:01

So I assume this would be playing on servers in Europe?
If so, fat chance of any US team beating a Euro team playing on their server unless they are complete noobs.
We couldnt get US teams to play in a US league on US servers, but you will all play in Euro servers with 100+ ping, bright skins and FF on.

lawl

Blasphemy

2010-01-12 02:23:00

I think kon meant they would be let us use their forums, ect to start some sort of North American division separate from the euros or maybe i'm wrong.

Paradox

2010-01-12 06:47:52

Ok so I skimmed the first post because so much of these forums has become a steaming pile of shit, I dont want to spend too much time actually reading the finer details of crap. So I agree, that part of my post was retarded. Anyway, according to the first post they MAYBE can change the rules and allow U.S. servers, etc.
Unless they do change the rules, its not worth the effort because the pings, especially for West coast people will be tough playing.

My point about people actually getting off their ass and playing matches still stands.

Ill believe it when I see it. Prove me wrong people.....go ahead.

voz

2010-01-12 09:15:42

Im sure LsD is down , and even though it is approved to be on american servers we wouldnt mind doing matches on european ones , im sure our guys are used to playing with high ping either way.

koncentrate

2010-01-12 11:22:50

Blasphemy wrote:I think kon meant they would be let us use their forums, ect to start some sort of North American division separate from the euros or maybe i'm wrong.

this

most of the cu-rules would also count for you, such as "no flaming in cu-forums etc" (what will be hard enough for you guys), but if you get a decent amount of teams then an own division for you is no problem and then we dont mind what server you play on. today i will open a topic in our board where teams can register theirselves.
what we need then is:
- teamname / teamtag
- link to cu-profiles of all players in a team
- all profiles must include the STEAM_ID in the right format (STEAM_0:0:100)
- all players must have the teamname in their cu-nickname
- i need a homemap, (for now you can choose a homemap from the cu-mappool, if you want maps to be added, talk to me in private)
- name a leader and a co-leader
- additional info like homepage or something

link to board will come soon

EDIT:
http://www.clans-united.net/index.php?s ... &board=114

here it is, read the rules before you register and make rules or map suggestions in main league chat

ninojman

2010-01-12 16:02:45

Paradox wrote:Ok so I skimmed the first post because so much of these forums has become a steaming pile of shit, I dont want to spend too much time actually reading the finer details of crap. So I agree, that part of my post was retarded. Anyway, according to the first post they MAYBE can change the rules and allow U.S. servers, etc.
Unless they do change the rules, its not worth the effort because the pings, especially for West coast people will be tough playing.

My point about people actually getting off their ass and playing matches still stands.

Ill believe it when I see it. Prove me wrong people.....go ahead.

Read the title to the thread. Unless 'worldwide' means just euro

Va|iums

2010-01-12 23:39:20

We'll be signing up tonight Kon, getting our team name and members finalized, there seems to be a decent amount of interest hopefully itll workout.

koncentrate

2010-01-12 23:53:17

Va|iums wrote:We'll be signing up tonight Kon, getting our team name and members finalized, there seems to be a decent amount of interest hopefully itll workout.

rly nice to hear

Panic

2010-01-13 00:54:45

I'll prolly be with vals and blas, IS THERE A KBH DIVISION

voz

2010-01-13 00:56:31

Panic wrote:I'll prolly be with vals and blas, IS THERE A KBH DIVISION

If there is a KBH division count me in

Mr. Nervous

2010-01-13 04:02:40

nS would definitely be interested in this. I'll sign us up once I get our players finalized.

Thanks.

Beef

2010-01-13 08:07:09

koncentrate wrote:http://www.clans-united.net/index.php?s ... &board=114
here it is, read the rules before you register and make rules or map suggestions in main league chat

Thx, kon!

sunsnail

2010-01-13 21:33:00

why hello there

Ko-Tao

2010-01-13 21:56:34

Since this thread looks to actually be relevant and useful to the community, its being cleaned. Take the trolling and other worthless crap to one of the many useless 10 page cafeteria threads created for just such purposes.

koncentrate

2010-01-13 23:47:58

voz wrote:
Panic wrote:I'll prolly be with vals and blas, IS THERE A KBH DIVISION
If there is a KBH division count me in

last time cu tried a killbox league it failed, so i guess no, but warrior is now in charge for cu worldwide so maybe ask him

btw, thx ko-tao for cleaning up

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-14 00:16:11

OMG! A Sunsnail!

Sacrifist

2010-01-14 06:21:03

|Elite| is in and has deemed all teams who do not enter into this league fags.

voz

2010-01-14 08:21:25

Looks like this league is going to work out , just a few more teams needed. Who would be the server host?

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-14 10:29:51

I'd like to participate. I could be waterboy.

Shoobie

2010-01-14 17:06:02

I'll be on tonight if you wanna ask questions. My time (CET) 2-6 maybe. 8pm-0am New York time.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/smell_it

koncentrate

2010-01-14 17:49:24

Shoobie wrote:I'll be on tonight if you wanna ask questions. My time (CET) 2-6 maybe. 8pm-0am New York time.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/smell_it

how are you involved with that?

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-01-14 18:08:59

Shoobie

2010-01-14 20:15:17

koncentrate wrote:
Shoobie wrote:I'll be on tonight if you wanna ask questions. My time (CET) 2-6 maybe. 8pm-0am New York time.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/smell_it
how are you involved with that?

First of all I know many of these guys, I've played with them and vs them. Second i've been at cu far longer than you. I know how things work and don't work. I also know what you say should be done and what you really do. Also I actually know my brother who will admin this, I can promise that he won't do this without advice from me.

Plus I want to help my mates (If they need the help) I've got to know and as I know cu i could probably help them if they have any questions.

koncentrate

2010-01-14 20:51:04

Shoobie wrote:
koncentrate wrote:
Shoobie wrote:I'll be on tonight if you wanna ask questions. My time (CET) 2-6 maybe. 8pm-0am New York time.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/smell_it
how are you involved with that?
First of all I know many of these guys, I've played with them and vs them. Second i've been at cu far longer than you. I know how things work and don't work. I also know what you say should be done and what you really do. Also I actually know my brother who will admin this, I can promise that he won't do this without advice from me.

Plus I want to help my mates (If they need the help) I've got to know and as I know cu i could probably help them if they have any questions.

thx for this explanation

still the right way would be to ask the relating persons (me!) if your help is wanted!

no need to answer here and go even more off-topic, talk to me in private pls if its needed.

Silver

2010-01-14 21:15:35

Yes I'll handle this project with some help from Val1ums (im glad to get advices from shoobie, always appriciated bro), any questions add me
My steam: http://clans-united.net/index.php?site=forum&board=66

Now there's a thread created at the clans-united forum interest about playing in the American Clans-United League.

->>> http://clans-united.net/index.php?site=forum&board=66

Read the whole post and the instructions before you make a post with your team.

greetings

// »Яąẅ« Warrior

badinfluence

2010-01-14 23:25:58

I am really not sure what good this will do if you are only giving us forums. What else is being offered?

Shoobie

2010-01-14 23:29:36

badinfluence wrote:I am really not sure what good this will do if you are only giving us forums. What else is being offered?

Maybe I'll get punched at for answering but. You're not only getting forums, you get the match system too. A report function where the winning team sends in screens and scores. this then get transfered to the data base and added to the tables etc. You will also get a head admin that isn't in your league. That will make sure everything works fair for each team. Make sure teams behave etc.

Not the head of a clan that makes sure his map is the map played in the finals etc ;D

koncentrate

2010-01-14 23:31:10

badinfluence wrote:I am really not sure what good this will do if you are only giving us forums. What else is being offered?

even if it was just the forums (its more like shoobie wrote) its more than u have now

Va|iums

2010-01-14 23:48:22

badinfluence wrote:I am really not sure what good this will do if you are only giving us forums. What else is being offered?

Non biased admins...database for reporting wins/losses screens, non biased map selection (you choose the map you want for the season). Really nothing to lose....just working with warrior to add U.S. maps, making sure friendly fire is off and the like. There's really nothing to lose here, just join in and have fun

CellarDweller

2010-01-14 23:57:01

registered this morning.

no activation email yet.

Shoobie

2010-01-15 00:09:02

CellarDweller wrote:registered this morning.

no activation email yet.

Want me to send a msg to the site dude? Not sur ehe looks here.

koncentrate

2010-01-15 00:11:29

CellarDweller wrote:registered this morning.

no activation email yet.

acc activated

CellarDweller

2010-01-15 00:37:11

thank you!

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-15 01:58:53

I've read all the links but would like some clarity.

Is this just a 3 v 3 league for Americans within CU?
Is it 3v3, 2v2 and 1 v 1 playing American AND Euro teams?

I see a map list. I see 4 max for 2 v 2 teams.
What about teams that sponsor all the teams, what is the max? 6 roster?

I believe we can put a Team V together and actually play the matches.

Or maybe not.

Shoobie

2010-01-15 02:41:02

The Argumentalizer wrote:I've read all the links but would like some clarity.

Is this just a 3 v 3 league for Americans within CU?
Is it 3v3, 2v2 and 1 v 1 playing American AND Euro teams?

I see a map list. I see 4 max for 2 v 2 teams.
What about teams that sponsor all the teams, what is the max? 6 roster?

I believe we can put a Team V together and actually play the matches.

It's thought of a 2v2 or 3v3 league for americans inside of cu (Depending on interest). That map list is for 3v3. Altough Silver and Valiums is figuring out a new maplist for the american league. Adding/removing maps.

The roster is at no limit except that it can't be fewer players than required in the actual league. Ie: Not less than two in 2v2 and not less than three in 3v3. Note taht one player can only be in one team per league.

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-15 03:02:12

Does that mean the same two folks who play in 2 v 2 cannot play 3 v 3?

Va|iums

2010-01-15 03:10:00

EDIT; What shoobie said. 1v1 division is even possible if theres enough players. Add Warrior or myself if you have any maps you'd like to be available for your hometeam map selection (unless your going to be ridiculous and suggest de_walmart or a killbox map), though most if not all maps that U.S. players already play for 2v2 and 3v3 will be available in the map pool later soon enough, from amp to zeta.

BTW looks like Kon put up the official thread to register when you guys are ready http://www.clans-united.net/index.php?s ... ncement=51

Shoobie

2010-01-15 03:28:59

Actually as it is in euro at least. You could play for team A in 2v2 and meet team B league. While you can play for team B in the 3v3 league at the same time.

To clearify. You can play for SW in 2v2 and 3v3 for flaS. It's okay as long as you're not in SW and flaS in the same league. This is how we do in the euro league. Dunno how it will be though for the american.

koncentrate

2010-01-15 11:16:58

atm there is for euro 3v3, 2v2 and 1v1
for US there will be whatever you get enough teams together

you can play in 1 team per league, means in 1 team in 2v2 , in 1 team in 3v3 and in 1v1 league, but not for 2 different teams in 3v3 league or in 2v2 league

Va|iums

2010-01-16 02:02:35

I know we got some comittals and signups on the way by tonight and tomorrow, just waiting for blas to log on for once to finalize our signup. Also reminding people every player on the team has to register an account and input their steamID, the rest will be taken care of by Warrior and your team captain. I'm helping Warrior get U.S. maps in and giving him some tips about random things about American play... after that I will have no involvement except to have fun

. Real good chance to have a fair and fun season for once here.

Blasphemy

2010-01-16 20:52:10

my internet wasn't working, had to call at&t to come to my pad and fix it.

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-16 21:02:02

Appreciate the link but i don't see any info on particulars that folks are asking about.

When does comp start?
Will Americans play Euros in Europe only?
Is the US just added into the current CU wars?
Friendly fire?
Config?

Any info will help get committments to play

Va|iums

2010-01-16 23:01:25

The Argumentalizer wrote:Appreciate the link but i don't see any info on particulars that folks are asking about.

When does comp start?
Will Americans play Euros in Europe only?
Is the US just added into the current CU wars?
Friendly fire?
Config?

Any info will help get committments to play

When it starts is on us, the quicker we sign up a sufficient amount of teams the quicker we can start it all. Americans will not be playing Europeans, we have our own division. US will not be added into the current CU wars, and friendly fire will be off for the U.S. Division. The config....Warrior or Koncentrate knows that one.

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-16 23:46:19

Thanks, mon.

Sacrifist

2010-01-17 07:25:17

8 teams in already

Va|iums

2010-01-17 12:18:15

Sacrifist wrote:8 teams in already

Nice...nine teams with nX. I don't consider any team ATM to be favorites to win it, should be an interesting season with many teams in contention to scrap for 1st and 2nd also considering the fact that the impression I have gotten from team captains is that there will be a huge variety of home map choices.

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-17 12:23:32

Team V will ...

Sacrifist

2010-01-17 21:13:03

Va|iums wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:8 teams in already
Nice...nine teams with nX. I don't consider any team ATM to be favorites to win it, should be an interesting season with many teams in contention to scrap for 1st and 2nd also considering the fact that the impression I have gotten from team captains is that there will be a huge variety of home map choices.

I think that a team should be able to choose any map as their home map so long as it doesn't have any gimmicks like instant kill buttons, isn't even for both teams, isn't a 1 weapon map, and isn't a true killbox. Size of a map can have problems, but to me it is still even for both sides. I've always preferred the format of teams having a home map instead of playing a different map each week.

koncentrate

2010-01-17 21:52:07

well in cu most players like to stick to old maps, so we play lockdown and not lockdown_r5 or something. and cu is based on teamplay where every team chooses a homemap for the season and plays that map in every match. i dont think that warrior will change this basic thing

talking about maps who are good for competitive playing is very difficult, every time we had such a discussion in cu it ended in
"wtf, this map is bullshit" - "no your map is bullshit" - "ha just learn it to play" - "fuck you" ... to be continued...

imo there are a lot of maps that are suitable for league playing and also there are maps that dont belong here, like powerhouse for example. the winner is decided in the first minute. that team can first secure rpg-area wins most of the time.

Paradox

2010-01-17 23:58:34

koncentrate wrote: talking about maps who are good for competitive playing is very difficult, every time we had such a discussion in cu it ended in
"wtf, this map is bullshit" - "no your map is bullshit" - "ha just learn it to play" - "fuck you" ... to be continued...

LOL it was just like CAL!!!!

Seriously though, it might make it more interesting if teams have home maps. Also, as stated above, less bitching with weekly map choices. Having to play the same map all the time though, might get boring (?). Is it possible for a team to have 2 or more maps they can choose from? I havent had time to read the site yet but is a match determined by total points or round wins?

SND

2010-01-18 00:34:19

I think we had a discussion some time back on CU forums about allowing you to choose your homemap every game.

I think you guys could do this and since it a league for you and not EU. My judgement is it work out for you guys because you play a range of maps and as said it might get boring for you. Reason why it was not done for EU is that everyone was used to having a fixed map and tbh the players in EU are very limited on what maps they play so having fix maps allowed them to train a particular map for a up coming game.

koncentrate

2010-01-18 00:41:49

yeah snd thats true that euros are very limited in map choosing

winning a match works this way:

you get
- 1 point for playing
- 1 point for each map win
- 1 point for winning overall by frags

the 1 point for playing should be only seen as a punishment for those teams who doesnt show off for a match

you win both maps: 4 points
you win 1 map/lose 1 map and win whole match by frags: 3 points
you win one map but lose by frags: 2 points
you lose both maps and also (ofc) by frags: 1 point
no show: 0 points

thats it.

also i think its not good to have more then 1 homemap. atm seasons are 5 weeks long (6 teams per division) and thats not such a long time that a map gets boring. you can change your homemap mid-season

vaporizer

2010-01-19 04:43:38

hmm....that's interesting, never thought of it that way....would be good though so then you can get a point for playing instead of not showing up.

Paradox

2010-01-19 05:19:13

Yea guess people have forgotten that we tried the points for playing thing. People still didnt play.

vaporizer

2010-01-19 05:24:08

I'm pretty sure seeing how there will be about 10 teams signing up for U.S, that the people would play when they have a match, well atleast if each team schedules it at a good time that works for both of them.

Va|iums

2010-01-19 05:45:40

Paradox wrote:Yea guess people have forgotten that we tried the points for playing thing. People still didnt play.

Main difference this go around is the sheer amount of new players....never thought I'd say that but with nS, nX, xs, and a few other clans there is a ton of new blood ready to compete. Warrior should have his hands full with 10 possible clans all playing, GL my Swedish friend :S

Paradox

2010-01-19 06:41:59

Va|iums wrote:
Paradox wrote:Yea guess people have forgotten that we tried the points for playing thing. People still didnt play.

Main difference this go around is the sheer amount of new players....never thought I'd say that but with nS, nX, xs, and a few other clans there is a ton of new blood ready to compete. Warrior should have his hands full with 10 possible clans all playing, GL my Swedish friend :S

Hope you are right Val. GLHF

koncentrate

2010-01-19 11:53:05

imo there are some different things in cu from what u guys are used to. first is the homemap thing. you have to play a homemap for a whole season, means you can train that one (due to the fact seasons are short it wont get boring). also there is no us-admin for managing this league, so he wont be corrupt or something with what u had problems in the past. cu 3v3 is now running in the 13th season and 2v2 is running in the 7th season. and that with 24teams in 3v3 and 18 teams in 2v2 in a game where everyone is crying that its already dead

so you see, cu is pretty successful until now, and euros are mainly very excited that us-guys are joining with their own league

about scheduling a match. every team has to arrange their wars in the cu-forum with time and date, also the team that starts the topic, should be in this format:
title: S01W01: $W vs nS
also in the text should be a date and time suggestion, only "hey when can u play" doesnt count as an effort to play the match

if there are still rules questions, feel free to ask here or even better in cu-forums.

@paradox:
i only know you from reading your posts here in the u, and i dont want to argue with u, but most of the posts from you here in this thread are pessimistic. dont think this helps a bit to get this running successful

maybe u can trust us that we know our business. if it fails, then feel free to say: "i knew it"
but until then...

Paradox

2010-01-20 01:44:22

Kon, you may not be aware that I was a CAL admin and I saw what happened with the teams/players over here and why it failed. Its not YOUR league per se that I am skeptical about. Obviously it works for the Euro HL2DM community. I am skeptical whether the teams on this side will have any more ambition to play than they have for the past 2 years. Hell, they wouldnt even play a 2v2 league to win $100, which albeit isnt a large prize, but hell its an otherwise free $100. I am reminding them why the leagues here failed and challenging them to be committed to this and to prove me wrong for the sake of the game.

Ko-Tao

2010-01-20 02:11:16

Shoobie wrote:
badinfluence wrote:I am really not sure what good this will do if you are only giving us forums. What else is being offered?
Maybe I'll get punched at for answering but. You're not only getting forums, you get the match system too. A report function where the winning team sends in screens and scores. this then get transfered to the data base and added to the tables etc. You will also get a head admin that isn't in your league. That will make sure everything works fair for each team. Make sure teams behave etc.

Not the head of a clan that makes sure his map is the map played in the finals etc ;D

More progress than any of the na leagues ever managed right there, tbh.

Poor_Billy

2010-01-20 02:34:30

Paradox wrote: Hell, they wouldnt even play a 2v2 league to win $100.

That's just because everyone knew that grain and I would win easy...

like we did the first 2v2 cup tourny.

-Master of the Universe '08, '09, '10

ninojman

2010-01-20 02:56:22

Do we have to call scrims, wars now?

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2010-01-20 04:39:01

ninojman wrote:Do we have to call scrims, wars now?

oi buggah you makin me randy

ye?

Panic

2010-01-20 04:44:46

oi buggah i wanted to rogah his tom JOHN-SON but theh bird there ye she was like "OI BUGGAH YE"

ye?

Fearsome*

2010-01-20 07:54:15

I want to clear some BS up. CAL did not die because of corrupt HL2DM admins or lack of participation. Everyone saying that is just bitter or sorely misinformed. CAL ran season after season and I whom actually kept any track of player participation never saw a significant change every season it was pretty much the same no matter what rules were in place, who was the admin or what maps were played. CAL died because the owner of CAL and the CPL was an asshat who blew all the money on himself and eventually needed to sell it because the organization was insolvent, during the sale of CPL/CAL he did not deliver the back end and website files and code for anti cheat to the Arab firm that purchased it. So they had no website to get going which they had planned to do. Then the Arab firm filed a law suit eventually it was sold to a Chinese firm who still does not have the needed files. Many people held out hoping things would be resolved but nothing ever came of it, basically it was completely out of the control of anyone in any position in CAL or the CPL except Angel Munoz.

As for Dallas I can not comment. But I have never seen any league in HL2DM that was without accusation of corrupt admins and that certainly includes CU. The fact is no matter what you do some people will never be happy. I do notice though the same people who are unhappy in one league tend to be unhappy in another even when run by completely different admins.

As for map picking once again that was all tried. The problem with teams picking 2 maps and breaking a tie by frags is simple no team with any chance of winning will pick certain maps even if they love it because this system rewards teams for playing maps with more scoring. There is no fair way to break a tie if 2 different maps are played especially in HL2DM. You just pick and get good at a small map with tons of spawn kills because then each time it comes to a tie you are more likely to win. Anyhow pick your maps carefully people it will be the difference of winning or losing in lots of matches since if 2 teams are close they are likely. And for choosing maps once again if it is to be completely unbias people mist be allowed to pick any map they want no matter what. But to keep the quality of the league in check you need to rule out maps and then bias comes in, after all it is just map bias that decides that a killbox is less worthy than any other map.

Va|iums

2010-01-20 08:28:58

Well I was sold on lobbying on behalf of CU when I found out Warrior would be in charge of the American division, I've known the guy for years and is one of the nicest and unbiased guys I've ever known around HL2DM, plus he seems to be genuinely interested in American play. Some people gotta relax, no one around here besides Da11aS was offering to run an entire league for us and it didnt workout for various reasons. If someone who was proven to be unbiased actually tried to startup a league for us we could've seen the same interest we have for CU because of the influx of new players...but it hasn't happened and until then CU is offering to host and run everything free of charge and free of ass kissing to make things happen and they seem to do it well.

Ghost Dog_TSGK

2010-01-20 08:37:55

Panic wrote:oi buggah i wanted to rogah his tom JOHN-SON but theh bird there ye she was like "OI BUGGAH YE"

ye?

Paradox

2010-01-20 18:15:05

Well the sale of CAL was the coup de gras, but if you look at the percentage of matches actually played during the few weeks prior, almost none of the 4v4 were played, and very few of the 2v2 were played. Tons of teams left in prior seasons because they could never get a match played. The last Warzone ended after 3 weeks with hardly any of those matches played. Leagues can not sustain themselves with 10 to 20 teams when half of them never play and when the teams that make it to the finals have 50% FW. It was dead already, the sale just finished it off.

Ko-Tao

2010-01-20 21:07:13

Fearsome* wrote:The problem with teams picking 2 maps and breaking a tie by frags is simple no team with any chance of winning will pick certain maps even if they love it because this system rewards teams for playing maps with more scoring. There is no fair way to break a tie if 2 different maps are played especially in HL2DM. You just pick and get good at a small map with tons of spawn kills because then each time it comes to a tie you are more likely to win. Anyhow pick your maps carefully people it will be the difference of winning or losing in lots of matches since if 2 teams are close they are likely. And for choosing maps once again if it is to be completely unbias people mist be allowed to pick any map they want no matter what. But to keep the quality of the league in check you need to rule out maps and then bias comes in, after all it is just map bias that decides that a killbox is less worthy than any other map.

This is something i remember discussing with some euro players some time ago, mainly the part about whoever chooses a high frag map like bio is almost always going to win a tiebreak against someone choosing powerhouse or some other map where you can camp/hide/run even if losing and end with very few deaths. It seems odd that this setup is still used (the discussion was years ago iirc).

Also its not hard to remove bias in ruling out maps, just have a league wide set of simple but sensible stipulations on what constitutes a competition grade map that goes into effect before the season starts. Ie, no major bugs or defects, made for stock settings, not a killbox (insert killbox definition here), etc.

Sacrifist

2010-01-21 01:50:10

Paradox wrote:Well the sale of CAL was the coup de gras, but if you look at the percentage of matches actually played during the few weeks prior, almost none of the 4v4 were played, and very few of the 2v2 were played. Tons of teams left in prior seasons because they could never get a match played. The last Warzone ended after 3 weeks with less than hardly any of those matches played. Leagues can not sustain themselves with 10 to 20 teams when half of them never play and when the teams that make it to the finals have 50% FW. It was dead already, the sale just finished it off.

Well, it can be difficult to play a match against imaginary teams or Counter Strike teams. Which was the main reason matches didnt get played on our end when it came to Cal. Cal's setup was retarded as well.

Ko-Tao

2010-01-21 11:30:12

Sacrifist wrote:Cal's setup was retarded as well.

No, a 5+ layer inverted ziggurat of admins, most of whom dont play the game or even know how it works, is perfect. Nothing like having to grind through nearly every layer over a 2 month period to get a final cheat dispute verdict of "were fucking clueless".

That said, the actual admin software made day to day running of the league fairly smooth, and most of it (cal acs notably aside) actually worked too.

Va|iums

2010-01-21 22:16:25

Okiiiiiiii so we need one more team to make 12 teams total and start a dual division season.

Panic

2010-01-22 08:00:52

ewr should just do it and not show up.

and probably still win.

koncentrate

2010-01-22 12:07:33

Team fusion could also play, not?

CellarDweller

2010-01-22 17:07:21

or... a very large team (cough, 911, cough) could possibly field two teams.

Da1

2010-01-22 19:11:32

Not enough guys that can show up all the time to make two teams.

badinfluence

2010-01-23 01:55:07

Panic wrote:ewr should just do it and not show up.

and probably still win.

Get off their fucking nuts. They obviously don't want you there.

Suck ups are lame.

CellarDweller wrote:or... a very large team (cough, 911, cough) could possibly field two teams.

And some of us aren't playing dm as much anymore, or don't want to play in a league at all.

Ko-Tao

2010-01-23 03:11:58

koncentrate wrote:Team fusion could also play, not?

Most of us dont play this regularly anymore or at all. Id have to see who (if anyone) is up for it.

Va|iums

2010-01-24 01:24:10

For 2v2 we have adequete teams as Syn split into 2 and 2v2 will be starting fairly soon. If we want 3v3 to start soon as well we need a decision to either

A. Get a 12th team...
B. A team that is less active should think about dropping or merging with another team
C. Have cat for dinner, we should all try it once in our lives.

But seriously merger or drop a team, I urge a decision quick if we want 3v3 to start soon as well

koncentrate

2010-01-24 02:21:51

there can be 1 division with 6 teams and one division with 5 teams aswell. i also prefer to start this league asap, before teams will lose interest

Va|iums

2010-01-24 22:56:37

Just a lil update we decided to have 6 teams in division 1 for 3v3, and 5 teams for division 2, no merger or drop is needed. The divisions will be based on skill, through my own personal experience and suggestions from team leaders and various players we have the divisions set. Division 1 3v3; em0, $W, LsD, Xs, Synergy, 911.

Division 2; nS, nX, Elite, team L, spD.
Winner of Division 2 will move up to Division 1 in place of the lowest scorer of division 1. Sorry if I offended anyone with the placements but through experience and advice from many this seems to be the best structure.

2v2 will have identicle structure except there are 6 teams for both division 1 and division 2, with synergy having an A team in division 1, and a B team in division 2.

EDIT :: EE still has the chance to sign up if they want to, I just need you guys to sign up within a few days however. Also it would be good to know if PB and Nutri will play for you guys, in that case LsD will be moved to division 2 and EE will place in division 1 for 3v3.

GL to all and thanks Warrior for hosting and your work. Shouldn't be long until some matches will start to be played.

VitaminG

2010-01-25 09:07:43

Va|iums wrote:in that case LsD will be moved to division 2 and EE will place in division 1 for 3v3.

...

koncentrate

2010-01-25 12:35:47

§ is now in with 2 teams, so registering is closed. teams that sign up now will go to waiting list and will be put in divisions when teams are dropping after season has started

Poor_Billy

2010-01-25 20:52:46

Va|iums wrote: Also it would be good to know if PB and Nutri will play for you guys, in that case LsD will be moved to division 2 and EE will place in division 1 for 3v3.

ha ha

The Argumentalizer

2010-01-25 23:38:58

You could have made an Ad Hoc deadline as the roster filled.
Maybe you should do so future so teams can get an idea when the signups are over.

Shoobie

2010-01-26 01:11:14

You should still apply if you want to. If we see that a team won't play, the first team on the waiting list will take it's place.

Viperbird

2010-01-27 04:55:09

This sounds fun... Thanks for setting it up for us guys!

Also too, this may be off-topic, but what is the
»ЯąẅR« team? a knockoff of »Яąẅ« ? Idk just curious...

voz

2010-01-27 05:19:40

Viperbird wrote:This sounds fun... Thanks for setting it up for us guys!

Also too, this may be off-topic, but what is the
»ЯąẅR« team? a knockoff of »Яąẅ« ? Idk just curious...

I think Rawr is the clan made as a waiting list , for recruits. Thats what the R in the end is for most likely "Raw Recruits".

Va|iums

2010-01-27 05:22:52

The Argumentalizer wrote:You could have made an Ad Hoc deadline as the roster filled.
Maybe you should do so future so teams can get an idea when the signups are over.

If another clan besides yourself wants to signup in Division 2 I don't think would be a prob adding you guys seeing it would be an even number of clans, of course Warrior has final say in that. Point taken though a deadline would've been nice.

koncentrate

2010-01-27 11:35:36

Viperbird wrote:This sounds fun... Thanks for setting it up for us guys!

Also too, this may be off-topic, but what is the
»ЯąẅR« team? a knockoff of »Яąẅ« ? Idk just curious...

im not 100% sure but imo RaWR stands for RaW Runoff, they have a very active runoff only server and afaik the RaWR players are the ones playing on that server most. maybe snd can say somethign abbout that

koncentrate

2010-01-27 23:11:59

va|1ums msg me when u see me online in steam

Va|iums

2010-01-28 00:00:19

koncentrate wrote:va|1ums msg me when u see me online in steam

PM me pls through this forum...school schedule is gruesome and the times I get back home are usually the times you log off and get ready for bed. I'll respond to it tonight.

Va|iums

2010-01-31 09:28:34

Guys....CU should be starting very soon. All the teams have been practicing hard I've noticed so this season wont be a joke. I expect both div 1 and div 2 to be pretty evenly matched out TBH, Xs has been getting strong lately. Anyways I will post here and pm team captains when CU American league is officially up and running and ready for scheduling.

GL to all teams! please PM me on steam or here if you have any questions about the config, your map, roster issues.

Silver

2010-01-31 22:49:44

The news about the start date of the season and fixtures is now up and Clans-United!

http://clans-united.net/index.php?site= ... ewsID=3251

The start date is now on wednesday, february 3.

gl hf, get your teams prepared!

Paradox

2010-03-05 22:34:16

so............given the fail rate of teams so far, I would like to hear from the CU admins: What are your perspectives are on whether CU-NA will continue after this season? If so I would assume its going to be 1 division for both 2v2 and 3v3?

This is not a complaint, gripe or w/e, I would just like to know what your thoughts are so I/we can make some decisions.

Thanks

Blasphemy

2010-03-05 22:48:03

We were just talking about this last night in vent...

I think Val can shed some light on the situation.

phantom

2010-03-05 23:41:13

one division, longer season imo

Paradox

2010-03-06 00:07:08

I want to hear from the admins please, as it is up to them. So unless someone died and made you an admin, please don't give your opinion until after we hear from them.

thanks

Blasphemy

2010-03-06 00:23:54

harsh

Paradox

2010-03-06 00:33:14

Blasphemy wrote:harsh

Perhaps, don't care. I want an honest response from the admins not from the community at large just yet.

Since your post was not an opinion, I wasn't talking to you

Blasphemy

2010-03-06 00:59:33

i know but my comment still stands.

Poor_Billy

2010-03-06 01:24:22

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 857AAE9mXP

Va|iums

2010-03-06 01:52:38

Clans-United NA will definately without a doubt continue. As to whether there will be two divisions thats completely up to you guys. I had almost predicted that 911 and spD would be gone at the end of the season before it started, I gave spD some slack room to try and fly straight but they didnt do it. 911 had alot of members but only 2 out of the 10-12 members were only active. I was surprised at SynGold leaving, hopefully they make a return if they find some more members.

Fact is we need more clans for two divisions, IMO we dont have enough. As it stands one division, longer season is looking likely. We have a bunch of "maybe's" or "possibly's" about committals to next season, if all the maybe's were to join/rejoin next season we will have two divisions.

Long story short, two divisions for next season? Need a few more clans, need people to stop immaturity and stick with a clan if its gonna happen...

Paradox

2010-03-06 03:47:33

Thank you Valiums, I appreciate the response. Since you are more aware of what potential teams are out there, and what is needed for a division to run smoothly, I wanted to hear from you. I figured it would be something along those lines, but nonetheless they only way to know the details is to get it from the horses mouth so to speak.

The Argumentalizer

2010-03-06 11:52:26

Thank you Valiums for Valiant attempt. DM is officially done (in the states) unless players can be consolidated to teams.
Frankly, there are no two tiers.
There are first tier players and second teams players that might make X teams.

There are literally enough players to make ONE div., IF they can be spread around, which is unlikely, but i wish.

Lets try a combo Draft four team comp.
I talked to you folks about this.
Its not weird.
There would be a draft and 4 teams would play.
Captains would draft to play.
3 v 3 4 teams committed.
No clans.
No nothing.
TEAMS.
Drafted
Play...

The Argumentalizer

2010-03-06 12:02:44

IE, 6 weeks.
4 teams
A Draft
Folks register.
4 teams from a draft
Alternates (2)
6 man teams.
6 weeks
No clans.
No nothing.
A Draft.

Talent is spread. teams are not loaded.
Folks play, win, lose, Whatever!

The Argumentalizer

2010-03-06 12:17:24

We have all these good players.
Lets have a draft.
Infinitely more interesting than stacked teams.
Get with me on the particulars.

Va|iums

2010-03-06 20:51:30

The Argumentalizer wrote:Thank you Valiums for Valiant attempt. DM is officially done (in the states) unless players can be consolidated to teams.
Frankly, there are no two tiers.
There are first tier players and second teams players that might make X teams.

There are literally enough players to make ONE div., IF they can be spread around, which is unlikely, but i wish.

Lets try a combo Draft four team comp.
I talked to you folks about this.
Its not weird.
There would be a draft and 4 teams would play.
Captains would draft to play.
3 v 3 4 teams committed.
No clans.
No nothing.
TEAMS.
Drafted
Play...

What in the sam hell are you talking about, the scene is not dead? Division 1 had 19 matches played alone in a span of four weeks only, Syngold is likely returning along with 911 next season.

We have MORE then enough for division 1, too many teams actually if we try to consolidate the league into one division if 911 and Syn return to div 1, thats my problem, we need a few more for Division 2 to live....To call the scene dead is ridiculous as we're looking at the CU playoffs/championship match starting next week. Your idea is pretty cool and radical, but Division 1 is still extremely active, and will continue to be active to the point the need for this system is completely not needed.

The Argumentalizer

2010-03-06 22:13:37

Well nevermind then.

Fearsome*

2010-03-07 02:15:04

The division system has always been problematic because it is not flexible. You either have enough teams for a division or you do not. Some way should be devised to run it more like a ladder or alter the division format so everyone is sort of lumped together but based on skill you tend to play teams that are more near you skill level. Usually ladders achieve this. Then it does not matter what number of teams play they always get games and more or less they are as close to their skill level as the limited number of teams allows.

Constipator

2010-03-08 00:53:42

I don't understand it very well tbh, but there's so much bad blood in this game (at least at the top) that a draft would never work. SOMEBODY would fuck it up no matter what. If everyone could get along I'd love a draft system; the thought of all the variety possible is awesome, but it can simply never be.

If I were in div 2 in CU, however, I would try and organize something like this. All the div 2 players are just cool people who play for fun and can get along. If you guys' div 2 dies, you oughta try something like that, and don't allow really good players in that would off-balance the skill spectrum of it. I bet you guys would love it. Get together for one week, organize some teams, play matches vs each other for the next 4 weeks. Wash rinse repeat

Ko-Tao

2010-03-08 01:43:24

One division is all thats needed. Put everyone in that one division and after each weeks matches are complete, simply set winners to face winners, using rpi or elo or whatever ranking system cu has to determine which winners play which (im assuming it has something to track quality of match outcomes), do the same for losers and youll have roughly equally skilled players versing eachother during every week except the first (and the equality will increase as the season progresses).

This system also functions better (fewer lopsided matches) as the player count increases, so cramming everyone into a single division becomes a good thing instead of a problem.

The only potential issue is that there can end up being quite a few repeat matches between players of similar ratio/ranks, but its hard to see this as an actual downside as these players will also generally be evenly matched.

Same system used successfully by plenty of other games and money tournaments, btw.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2010-03-08 02:12:00

Constipator wrote:I don't understand it very well tbh, but there's so much bad blood in this game (at least at the top) that a draft would never work. SOMEBODY would fuck it up no matter what. If everyone could get along I'd love a draft system; the thought of all the variety possible is awesome, but it can simply never be.

If I were in div 2 in CU, however, I would try and organize something like this. All the div 2 players are just cool people who play for fun and can get along. If you guys' div 2 dies, you oughta try something like that, and don't allow really good players in that would off-balance the skill spectrum of it. I bet you guys would love it. Get together for one week, organize some teams, play matches vs each other for the next 4 weeks. Wash rinse repeat

im not sure ive ever agreed with a post more than i do with this one. well said, and a good idea. only other idea i can think of is a handicap system, not sure how you would impliment it tho.

Constipator

2010-03-08 02:48:32

I see all these random ass people in clans all the time when I'll pub and they get so mad at me and leave cause they think I hack etc. I just want something for those kinds of people so they can see what real DM/TDM is like without us top players being able to demolish them. Then, they'd probably improve after playing with such a variety of players as this could present (if it can catch on). You could have a judge (or judges) that make the decision of whether or not someone is too good to play in the draft league or whatever it be called.

We (the top players) have CU, even if there aren't many of us left, all we do is play each other over & over anyway right? No reason to change it now to raping average people in a draft thing.

I talked to impala about it and he wants top players to be in the draft league because we show people what real tdm is like. I agree with this, you don't get better unless you play better people, but I find that attitude rare in this game anymore. And, quite honestly, I don't care anymore about people improving; I just want one bigger, consolidated community ffs, not a bunch of little split up ones.

Pretty sure I've thrown this thread off topic haha, my bad, blame it all on impala

Blasphemy

2010-03-08 11:25:12

Constipator wrote:I don't understand it very well tbh, but there's so much bad blood in this game (at least at the top) that a draft would never work.

spoiler::fuck you::spoiler

The Argumentalizer

2010-03-08 22:10:59

The Draft was the most interesting thing to happen to the community.
Its so small that i thought it would be a nice way for all manner of DM fans to have fun and play AND improve.
It just needed something better than just Vent.
If the top tier players want to play each other over and over or have their clique scrims on private servers, that's ok by me.
I'll just pub at Warfare and FH and the Pub.
Not really that invested in the game or some of the people.

Constipator

2010-03-08 23:46:17

Blasphemy wrote:
Constipator wrote:I don't understand it very well tbh, but there's so much bad blood in this game (at least at the top) that a draft would never work.
spoiler::fuck you::spoiler

My point exactly. What happened to the "jp brah" you had at the end of it last night? Not playing anymore brah? lol

Blasphemy

2010-03-09 00:26:52

Constipator wrote:
Blasphemy wrote:
Constipator wrote:I don't understand it very well tbh, but there's so much bad blood in this game (at least at the top) that a draft would never work.
spoiler::fuck you::spoiler
My point exactly. What happened to the "jp brah" you had at the end of it last night? Not playing anymore brah? lol

nah, i thought it would be more funny without it, because then people would think i wasn't joking. which i totally am brah.

Fearsome*

2010-03-09 05:25:51

We had a draft a couple times no body is holding a gun to anyone's head telling them they cannot do it again.

Va|iums

2010-03-09 17:18:59

Fearsome* wrote:We had a draft a couple times no body is holding a gun to anyone's head telling them they cannot do it again.

Word.

Just as simple as someone stepping up and being the organizer/leader for it. Me? I'll pass on trying to run CU and a draft night, but I would love to see Sunday night drafts again.

BTW....I having my last two exams this week, and one on Wednesday, therefore the final deadline of this Wednesday to get ALL of your matches, I.E. missing matches and your final Week 5 matches is now Thursday. I'd like to hold the CU playoffs on Sunday, then our championship matches of Div 1 and Div 2 next Sunday at different times so people can spec both matches. Then we break for a little bit.

One last thing I will consider the ladder concept, most likely hold a vote on it during the CU break.

Viperbird

2010-03-09 20:28:26

I am trying to get better...
I don't care if I get owned...
I just like to play, especially against you top tier players...
Add me for a game

Ill try to get geno to play again maybe we'll do a div 2 team next season..

ninojman

2010-03-09 21:47:39

draft again?

What happen to the Div 2?

Ladder system still has its flaws. I would think if the div 2 team are evenly matched it would be a better draw to play for the Div 2 championships! rather then the 8th spot on the ladder

Va|iums

2010-03-09 22:59:58

ninojman wrote:draft again?

What happen to the Div 2?

Ladder system still has its flaws. I would think if the div 2 team are evenly matched it would be a better draw to play for the Div 2 championships! rather then the 8th spot on the ladder

Nothing happened to Div2 yet....though it might need to be scrapped next season because teams cant hold together and beside the fact clan lttl IMO is completely ready for division 1 play now, but I guess they get to prove that in the championship.

Only possibility of draft happening is draft night, which I can help out with but I wont be the head guy to do it, there will be no draft in CU next season. For ladder though yeah, pretty controversial for some, I'll hold a vote on it during our break.

Paradox

2010-03-10 00:57:09

Honestly, the system works as it is IF we can get enough teams to participate for 2 divisions. Personally I wouldnt fuck with it and introduce a ladder at this point. Ladders have their issues as well and IMO you need many more active teams for a ladder to work, like 20 or more at the very least. The point is, the game NEEDS more clans/teams. No league is going to work effectively or be interesting with 6-8 clans/teams active, just wont happen.