eFPS Announcement

Per eFPS rules, found here, I am the head administrator for the hl2dm eFPS league. My two sub-administrators are Valiums and BuckyKatt. The website will be operational in about two weeks, at which time we will begin to register teams and get things rolling. Matches will start about two weeks after that.

I would like your feedback on the rules! If you don't like something, tell me why.

Per eFPS rules, found here, I am the head administrator for the hl2dm eFPS league. My two sub-administrators are Valiums and BuckyKatt. The website will be operational in about two weeks, at which time we will begin to register teams and get things rolling. Matches will start about two weeks after that.

I would like your feedback on the rules! If you don't like something, tell me why.

Servers should maintain at least 3 locked sourcetv slots on 90 second delay so that admins can pop in at any time during matches.
Head admins should have access to server logs.

Per eFPS rules, found here, I am the head administrator for the hl2dm eFPS league. My two sub-administrators are Valiums and BuckyKatt. The website will be operational in about two weeks, at which time we will begin to register teams and get things rolling. Matches will start about two weeks after that.

I would like your feedback on the rules! If you don't like something, tell me why.

Servers should maintain at least 3 locked sourcetv slots on 90 second delay so that admins can pop in at any time during matches.
Head admins should have access to server logs.

I thought the server logs was a given, but about the SourceTV - we're not going to use sourceTV or even allow spectators during matches. There is a spectate bug that allows invisible spectators. The easiest and safest way to prevent this is to disable spectate altogether.

It looks fine the way holy has it , everyone records pov demos , servers are secured with a couple of plugins that prevent cheating and no spectate. Seems more legit that way. STV demos would be kind of pointless if he has everyones pov demo imo.

Per eFPS rules, found here, I am the head administrator for the hl2dm eFPS league. My two sub-administrators are Valiums and BuckyKatt. The website will be operational in about two weeks, at which time we will begin to register teams and get things rolling. Matches will start about two weeks after that.

I would like your feedback on the rules! If you don't like something, tell me why.

Servers should maintain at least 3 locked sourcetv slots on 90 second delay so that admins can pop in at any time during matches.
Head admins should have access to server logs.

I thought the server logs was a given, but about the SourceTV - we're not going to use sourceTV or even allow spectators during matches. There is a spectate bug that allows invisible spectators. The easiest and safest way to prevent this is to disable spectate altogether.

Nothing is ever a given. Make sure both of those issues are stated.

If all goes well I would like to participate in this league.

I don't mind the whole Holy as dictator thing seeing as if you screw up the league will die and it'll be no big loss to anybody anyway.

2.7 Any registered league player may start a vote on the EverythingFPS forums to force an administrator vote, veto an administrator action, or remove an administrator. In order for a vote to pass, two-thirds of all registered league players must vote in the affirmative within one week.

No way 2/3 of people will show up to your forums to vote, let alone vote the same way. Lots of people register and then lose interest or simply don't care what happens.

2.6. All accusations of cheating must be investigated. Such investigations must remain private until a decision has been reached.
3.7 If a player suspects another player of cheating or violating another league rule, that player should contact an administrator privately. A player who publicly accuses another player of cheating may receive a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Ok, as someone who has played dm for a while but never been in "that circle of players that know what everybody is up to and consider it highly privileged and secret information", I'm gonna say that this is a detrimental rule. First of all ,you're not protecting anybody. Its not like a person is going to get blacklisted because somebody got butthurt and yelled hacks. Give people the accusation and the demos, and let them decide for themselves. Even if I disagree with the leagues decision, I'll still respect it. Second of all, from what I've seen, a community of people is way better at pinning proof on a guy then a league of admins. How many hackers did CAL convict while they were secretly reviewing demos? I can't think of any. Not to mention half the community would call bullshit admins and not believe it anyway.

Also those threads are the funnest to read.

STV demos would be kind of pointless if he has everyones pov demo imo.

My sourcetv suggestion wasn't for demos. It was so that an admin could jump in and watch a match at any given time to check for shifty behavior. If there's an exploit though, I agree, leave it out.

First some responses to cheese... Holy is not a dictator, he is an equal vote on the board and equal in many regards *EXCEPT* for perm tenure on the admin board and the ability to appoint admins he sees fit. Considering Holy is probably the least biased guy I've met in a long time I dont foresee this being a problem along with the community admin removal option.

Second response, what do suggest in regards to the 2/3 admin removal vote cheese? I mean if we lower it too much we will be risking ourselves to rotating admins far too often, and structural chaos would ensue. We are open to options and want to hear what you would suggest in that regards.

Third response, the hacking accusations once we see fit will be completely disclosed when the matter has resolved itself. If the community feels that we made a misjudgement all the material we judged off will be provided and the community may override our decision.

I got nothing against Holy, I just mean because it was his idea, his website, he's drafting the rules, and he's the head admin. Either directly or indirectly he can do whatever he pleases. As long as he stays smart and doesn't fuck up, good things will come.

As for the admin removal thing I say just let Holy do whatever he wants. If he feels like he needs more help then ok. If he doesn't like one of your decisions, let him change it. Its just common sense with things like making all of the admins from the same clan or being open minded to what your admins are doing. Common sense. Like with blur. He was hacking, so you banned him. Good example of how easy things are when you don't over complicate.

Third response, the hacking accusations once we see fit will be completely disclosed when the matter has resolved itself.

Why, you don't think we can handle it until its 'resolved'?

I agree, holy is legit for it

Third response, the hacking accusations once we see fit will be completely disclosed when the matter has resolved itself.

Why, you don't think we can handle it until its 'resolved'?[/quote]


You're missing the bigger picture. If you involve the entire community in the accusation process the particular person is permanently stained whether he did hack or not. It's not that I dont think the community cant handle it, its the risk you take like past occurances like Seagull's witch hunt where he got half of the community to believe Invx and Nutri Grain were hackers that its not wise to release a possible false accusation against someone who may be innocent.

The next four months all I heard was, you play with a hacker? (referring to InvX, or Nutri). Innocent until proven guilty, and then if we fucked up we lay our decision process on the line for everyone to see and you get to reverse if we messed up.

Also your other comments are disturbing, no form of governance should be a dictatorship, ever, whether we're governing 10 nerds or governing the most powerful country on earth, dictatorship is a not an option and I will never support. Mechanisms are in place so that Holy is not a dictator. The other admins and the community can override him at will.

My point is that a structure like this should not be trying to force its views on people. You think innocent until proven guilty, others aren't so kind. Your job is to run a league and keep cheaters out. Your job is not to try to uphold people's reputations. I know you're a nice guy Valiums and you're just trying to help people out, but its still bias.

"Also your other comments are disturbing, no form of governance should be a dictatorship, ever."
I'll just say that I disagree and leave it at that.

My point is that a structure like this should not be trying to force its views on people. You think innocent until proven guilty, others aren't so kind. Your job is to run a league and keep cheaters out. Your job is not to try to uphold people's reputations. I know you're a nice guy Valiums and you're just trying to help people out, but its still bias.

"Also your other comments are disturbing, no form of governance should be a dictatorship, ever."
I'll just say that I disagree and leave it at that.

Disagreed. I will not be participating in revealing any and every cheating accusation. If we allow that we'll start having *FOR EXAMPLE* someone in TPA accusing Constipator of hacking just cause' and then the community is gonna be like oooooooooh ahhhhhhhhh Constipator might be hackingz?!?! No I won't do it, the community is free to review our evidence once we make a decision and may overturn us but I will not be revealing every single hacking accusation.

@ Cheese - It's just 2/3 of the players registered to actually play in that current season. Theoretically, people signing up to play for that season will hear about the vote and go vote if its something they care about. As for the rules regarding cheating accusations, I think that stopping witch hunts will vastly improve the overall spirit and mood of league play. Don't you? I'm really glad you've decided to play, by the way.

@ Rico - you're right, I'll add those items to the rules.

If we allow that we'll start having *FOR EXAMPLE* someone in TPA accusing Constipator of hacking just cause' and then the community is gonna be like oooooooooh ahhhhhhhhh Constipator might be hackingz?!?!

Seriously who's gonna do that? People would just play with him and observe that he doesn't hack and be done with it. Perhaps I give people who I've played with for years and who know this game inside-and-out too much credit.

bah I'm done, I've made my opinion known. At least you're releasing the evidence afterwards. Just hope its not along the lines "he used xxx hack but we're not going to say what it is because we don't trust you"

thx Holy

quti being a sourpuss. We will release ALL evidence afterwards including what hack he used ect ect. Turn that frown upside down big cheesy.

So err, could a person accuse another of cheating (who obviously isn't) and have you guys review it, then would you guys post it publicly that the accused does not cheat? And if so, could the community possibly overturn your decision even though it's ridiculously obvious that they don't hack just because enough people want to see that person taken out of play or they don't like them? Would that person be banned from play no matter what?

This is just a ridiculous what-if, I know, but I still wanna know if it's technically possible.

No...we will not be releasing news of the accused should we find him to be obviously not hacking.

AG2 Arena 1on1 plz : D

dont ban me brah

2.1 The head administrator will be given lifetime tenure.

i lol´d at this. (didnt read all the rules)
wish you guys good luck with that league.

2.1 The head administrator will be given lifetime tenure.

i lol´d at this. (didnt read all the rules)
wish you guys good luck with that league.

If you read the rest you'd know he can be removed by a vote. Basically lifetime unless he starts f*cking up bad.

I think removing source tv is a mistake. It's like saying we are going to play the world cup but no one can watch the games you must wait till they are done then go get each persons POV and spend 6x as long watching it as a single source tv demo. Is any exploit with spectate undetectable? can the first person demos not catch them and get people banned? With the delay it should not be an issue and people can actually enjoy watching matches. I would rather the league provide source TV servers with lots of slots then game servers.

How many games are going to be in the league?
Hopefully quake live too , its another game my pc can run

css, tf2, l4d, l4d2, cod4, mw2, bc2, and hl2dm. Quake Live won't be supported because it does not have servers, custom maps, or custom skins.

. Quake Live won't be supported because it does not have servers, custom maps, or custom skins.

Neither does MW2.

BFBC2 has servers but no custom maps/skins

COD4 has a few custom maps but almost no one plays them because custom maps mean a non ranked server.

viva pinata league?

Anyone wanna throw their two cents into what they would like to see in league management software, now is the time.

http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... f=6&t=5090

In particular if Fearsome, Ko-Tao, Paradox, and anyone else that helped run CAL could give me their thoughts I would appreciate it.

Client-side anticheats or whatnot are worthless. Impliment this sort of thing at the server level or dont bother implimenting it at all.

The above also wont work if the servers are controlled by players, for obvious reasons. League-controlled match servers would go a long way toward blocking most forms of cheating, assuming those with sufficient coding ability mod/plug them accordingly.

As for cal, we didnt have access to its backend code, and in any case much of it was buggy or didnt function at all. The scheduler in particular was so broken that from early season one onward i just scheduled everyone manually based on rank/rpi. Also the sort of massive automating cal tried for was more trouble than it was worth for a league with a low 3 digits of players (at best).

. Quake Live won't be supported because it does not have servers, custom maps, or custom skins.

Neither does MW2.

BFBC2 has servers but no custom maps/skins

COD4 has a few custom maps but almost no one plays them because custom maps mean a non ranked server.

I don't see a problem with a game that doesn't have skins or maps. Servers are vital imo, cod4 over mw2.

Quake CPMA over QL

My point was that there's not really a point in creating a community for Quake Live. It's a browser game and so it already has its own website-the one you go to when you want to play Quake Live.

I agree with Four...I mean Fearsome. I think we need to make exceptions with all or some of the matches in regards to spectating. Like make the championship or most anticipated games only speccable, if not make ALL games speccable.

Even with the ghosting bug, ghosting is probably not gonna be utilized by the more respectable clans like $W, em0 or synergy, and I doubt any of them even know how to. Let's even say the ghosting bug is utlized by them, how much is it really gonna help? Everyone knows where the f*ck you are you like at all times. In caverns one team is usually holing up on the other side, the other team in the mag area/armor area. In Lockdown one team is controlling armor area, one team is controlling the orbs. Ghosting wouldnt change anything IMO.

tbh I don't really see why have so many games, especially games like css which already have all their established teams, plus I don't know who's going to play it if there is no cash prizes or other sorts of prizes to win (for games like css that is)

I agree with Four...I mean Fearsome. I think we need to make exceptions with all or some of the matches in regards to spectating. Like make the championship or most anticipated games only speccable, if not make ALL games speccable.

Even with the ghosting bug, ghosting is probably not gonna be utilized by the more respectable clans like $W, em0 or synergy, and I doubt any of them even know how to. Let's even say the ghosting bug is utlized by them, how much is it really gonna help? Everyone knows where the f*ck you are you like at all times. In caverns one team is usually holing up on the other side, the other team in the mag area/armor area. In Lockdown one team is controlling armor area, one team is controlling the orbs. Ghosting wouldnt change anything IMO.

If the exploit exists, remove all room for it's use and eliminate sourcetv until it can be resolved. Doesn't matter who the team is, it will never be an issue if it's not a possibility. The only time anyone bothers watching matches is during finals anyway.
The same holds true for the league servers. With all the exploits and vulnerabilities that are available now, it's better to only use servers in which officials can monitor every aspect of the game.
You want a legitimate league, you need to be firm with the standards and don't skimp. You have an opportunity to start a league from the ground up and eliminate the mistakes of those leagues before it - don't fuck it up by compromising.

tbh I don't really see why have so many games, especially games like css which already have all their established teams, plus I don't know who's going to play it if there is no cash prizes or other sorts of prizes to win (for games like css that is)

Do you not remember the size of the CS and CS:S leagues in CAL?

If you dont want spectators, you can always run a locked SCTV on the game server itself to record the demo to release to the community so that people dont have to DL multiple demos to see different perspectives. That said, I always found the more contentious matches fun to watch as well as watching my own clan play.

CSS has MANY MANY leagues that are already established so *shrug* if only to elminate the annoying factor of the CSS kids making up teams in HL2DM that never play, my 2 cents is to leave them out.

As far as software, urm not sure, have to think about it some.

css, tf2, l4d, l4d2, cod4, mw2, bc2, and hl2dm. Quake Live won't be supported because it does not have servers, custom maps, or custom skins.

That is a lot you have others on board for each of these games?

Not sure about css, tf2, cod, mw. But L4d1 and 2 could be a possibility. That game has only had one poorly run l4d season. Bunch of random tournaments. Post here to get community interest or if you don't want to create an account you can pm me a message to post. http://www.l4dnao.com/index.php?site=forum&board=4

Back when CAL was around, the leagues like cevo and esea were only starting, so people started out with CAL since it was free, then they got some experience in league play and went on to the bigger leagues. Now look at free leagues in css lol, look at eco, a league with a bunch of hackers and teams that can barely play the game. Plus who's going to be admin for all those leagues? Does holy already have experienced admins for each one of those games?

EDIT: And you actually had to pay for CAL I and the top 3 won cash prizes.

css, tf2, l4d, l4d2, cod4, mw2, bc2, and hl2dm.

For all it's worth, I know me and a few buddies would play the CSS, TF2, and L4D/L4D2 leagues (in addition to hl2dm), and I personally think getting other games into the picture would be good. And many people play, even if no prizes are involved. Many people just want a GOOD GAME to play and not only have pubs to play on.

If you build a flexible web site you can add games at will but lets be reasonable here. Bugs are going to be popping up for months, trying to attack games with established leagues is kinda over zealous. I know from experience and watching others fail the most common way an organization screws up is trying to grow too fast. How about the first season you be realistic and start with 1 game HL2DM. Then maybe you add a second game by the time season two rolls around. And as I stated before this 2 week start up time is ridiculous run at least one more season at CU while you build the website and get a beta out that people can look at and then people will not be rushing you. At first focus on smaller games which do not have leagues supporting them. Giving you time and flexibility because smaller games have no choice they will not be as picky about what your site is capable of. As you improve your website maybe eventually you will have something worth attacking bigger games with. But why would people in CSS join some brand new league unless lots of money is involved or they hack or are mediocre and just want some less competitive place to play at. Is the back end whipped together in the claimed 2 weeks going to be as good as leagues like CEVO and GGL which have had years to develop?

As for source TV like I said the number 1 way people hack is they just strait up install a multi hack loaded with everything they need, undetectable by VAC, any plugin, or any anticheat why would someone bother with some lame spec hack and even if they did they would be much easier to catch. I agree all hacks should be stopped that is unless it makes the game much worse for the people playing it legitimately. Lots of people have always asked me to spec my matches, I am pretty sure someone would spec in at least 50% of matches for top 4 teams. I view it just like DRM in music or movies its a good thing until it starts making less people buy your music. I don't think it is good to punish every good player in the community by not allowing them to spectate matches just for the remote chance 1 idiot will use a spec hack which probably wouldn't even allow him to win a match he would have lost.

i have never heard of those other games but ill sign up for teh hl2dm league bra.

I have largely been quiet in all of this because I am spending every waking moment that I am not at my job writing code for the site. But I think it is probably time to reset a few expectations.

When Holy approached me about starting a site that would host maps/skins/etc I had already been toying with the notion of writing a site that would allow for league management so I suggested that as well as a few other things (forums, news/articles). This was really the birth of the idea for eFPS. At the time Valiums was still preparing for the second season of CU which I viewed as perfect. My original estimate for the league portion (the most difficult part to develop) was 3-4 months which meant that I could have it done just about when the second season of CU was wrapping up. Then Valiums had to give up on CU.

Bugs are going to be popping up for months, trying to attack games with established leagues is kinda over zealous. I know from experience and watching others fail the most common way an organization screws up is trying to grow too fast. How about the first season you be realistic and start with 1 game HL2DM. Then maybe you add a second game by the time season two rolls around.

I agree 100% with this. You have to learn to walk before you can run.

And as I stated before this 2 week start up time is ridiculous run at least one more season at CU while you build the website and get a beta out that people can look at and then people will not be rushing you.

I know this isn't what Holy wants to hear but I think that Fearsome is correct here as well. I am committed to delivering eFPS but reading all these messages about adding this game or that game and taking on CEVO and what not is putting the cart before the horse. I had originally hoped to have a first iteration out in 2-4 weeks. I suspect that I wasn't clear to Holy that the first iteration wouldn't be a production ready site hence Holy's original announcement. My mistake, I am used to dealing with developers who know iterative development. The first iteration is more like a glimpse into the future and a chance for stake holders (Holy and myself) and subject matter experts (Fearsome, Ko-Tao, etc.) to take a look and provide feedback on the general direction the site is taking. So yes... a second season of CU is advisable if for no other reason than to give me time to actually do this right instead of trying to rush it and end up with something that either doesn't work or that no one wants to use.

Again, I am committed to delivering eFPS, but I do believe that everyone needs to reset their expectations a bit on where we are going and how quickly we will get there.

Relax Bucky you're not under a gun. There were many reasons why American CU couldnt and cant run now, the competitive scene was being crippled by DOS attacks and new exploits. The ability to even continue CU and now start up a league as it stands is impossible because of what Zeik has just done tonight (before mass deletion), I.E. post a new version of the script that counters the current anticheats.

Essentially we need you to take your time while the new anticheat is under development right now. Take your time, we know you'll make a good website.

TBH someone isnt understanding something.

Wall hacks, been around since this game started, thousands of people have used them and never been caught by vac, any plugin, or any anticheat hundreds of people and many companies have tried everything they can think of to stop them and guess what, it has not worked. If you care so much you make people go to a LAN.

DOS attacks have been around since before this game, 100 billion market cap companies cannot stop them, google can't stop them, 10 years of this and millions of dollars from the top companies and minds in the world cannot solve DOS attacks and valliums is going to solve it?

It is alot easier just to take a demo and use a jury to bust people then it is to make a system stop it. This even tonight only showed that you will never stop it a couple days and they already beat your anticheat. So don't bother trying to pretend you will. Maybe you should also look at targeting the person doing it. Hacking or DOS attacks break the TOS of almost every ISP prove it then contact his ISP to get his internet shut off. On top of that in most countries they lead to indirect criminal charges.

Let whomever wants to run a league at CU or where ever if eFPS gets up and running people can decide if they want to move to it. In the mean time nothing has changed it will not be the first or last time I have been hacked in a video game especially not this one, I have played anyway and most other have as well. Let the players decide through their participation.

TBH you're not understanding something. These scripts can modify server configs at will, enable sv_cheats 1 at will, change rcon at will, ect ect. These scripts make objects uncatchable, this war can be won, and is on the verge of being won against stamping out the LUA/LSS based scripts. I'll resign and stop playing before we start a league allowing LUA/LSS scripts to be allowed, I'll keep my word on that. Mr. Edges can be on standby for my reccomendation for a replacement admin.

We are not waging a war on hacks, which will never be won, we are waging a war on specific script, and we will win.

EDIT; you're confusing DDos and DOS attacks btw Fearsome. DOS attacks were what was crippling scrims, crashing servers which is what the new plugin resolved. DDos attacks are more complicated and yes, are unresolved but were not the method of attacks on our servers. I doubt anyone in this community has the knowledge or the will to instigate full blown DDos'ing around here.

GodDammit Valiums:
I was JUST about to quote your latest defeatist line, but then you went and edited it so it had 0% needling in it.

Pussy.

Now this picture will seem fucking pointless:


fuck it all.

Lame. Didnt mean to cramp your style brah. I noticed Fearsome in his old age is seeming to confuse between things like hacks vs scripts and DOS vs DDoS apparently and would've rather clarified then keeping my one liner

at Least you feel mah pain, brah.





true.
legit.
solid.

can we get a group hug?

nvm newguy, might get a chubby

Yea you guys are trying to go waaaayyy too fast with this. Just get it done right the very first season for hl2dm, however long it takes.

Zeik posted a link to his hacks on the forum. Then he got banned and the thread was removed.

Listen, guys. Here's my two cents. I'm speaking not as an administrator but rather as a normal player.

If you hack in this game, you're not cheating us. You're cheating yourself. You're wasting your time - you're not getting any better, you're not getting full enjoyment out of the game, you're going to be on edge every time you submit a demo or see someone spectating. Even if you find something our servers can't stop, you're going to be cheating yourself out of the entire point of the game - to get better, to compete against legitimately good players, to enjoy camaraderie, and to feel accomplished when you defeat a worthy opponent.

If you think you can hack in this game without getting caught, you're wrong. Look at Zeik, banned from everything in this game worth being a part of. Look at Blur, de-friending everyone, getting kicked out his clan, and not being able to compete with the good players he got better with. This is a videogame, but its something you invest your time in, and so it matters. Don't choose to not hack because you're scared of getting caught. Choose to not hack because you value what you're invested in.

There, that's all I have to say about that.

you submit a demo

Listen, guys. Here's

the thread

as a normal player

LIKE, OMG HOLY! IT'S READY!??!?

you submit a demo

Listen, guys. Here's

the thread

as a normal player

LIKE, OMG HOLY! IT'S READY!??!?

Hes right!

Maybe admins could investigate allegations while the rest of the fucking league continues, rather then stop everything and everyone lose interest and nobody knows what the fuck is going on!?!?

Maybe admins could investigate allegations while the rest of the fucking league continues, rather then stop everything and everyone lose interest and nobody knows what the fuck is going on!?!?

Maybe you're not understanding (you are a semi-retarded, so I'll give you some slack) this isnt about allegations and is about a script that can compromise servers if the person uses it correctly. How many times do I need to say this shit? Hey if you guys really want to play in a league without LSS script protection, be my guest, I'll resign, it'll be an exploiters paradise this season and I sure as shit will not play in a league where someone can compromise my server, and even change my own config if he knows how to script it correctly..

EDIT; Oh and Zeik's been PM'ing people the script/hack combination personally since he's been banned from here, I know of 6 aliased different people who have been trying out the hack + script in public servers. I would seriously take a step back and ask yourself whether you would want to start now without the protection since Zeik's been mass spamming people with the link for the script + hack and the forums where people code the script.

Well its play in a league without LSS protection or play in pubs without LSS protection and tbh I'd rather be playing some matches right now.




also, turn that frown upsidedown

Well its play in a league without LSS protection or play in pubs without LSS protection and tbh I'd rather be playing some matches right now.




also, turn that frown upsidedown

I don't have to turn it upside down, I'm already smiling remembering how badly I raped you the last time I played you. Terrible player, terrible logic. Let's say we start RIGHT now, I have the knowledge and power to do all of the following.

1. LSS scripting takes advantage of a major source engine hole in security. I can hide every single hack or script I want to.
2. I can change your server config at will and can bypass sv_cheats 1. In demo reviews I would have it on a toggle function to look unsuspicious, toggle sv_cheats 1 on and off at will.
3. I can make any script I want to undetectable by Zblock/KAK/Keepers
4. Give me another week understanding LSS scripting and I will be able to manually change your config, I can change your rates to make it look like your rate cycling and get you banned from the league.
5. I'm not the only one who knows how to take advantage of the source engine loophole and LSS scripting, for one Voz does, and I'm not surprised he wants to start the league early .

I am ready to resign though and let an admin replace me that is of the position to start it now. Perhaps I'll stay in the league and hack it up just for fun to prove how stupid it is to start early, but I have never tried a hack in my life, I only have the knowledge how to now and will never hack even though I do now, I dont need to.

Well its play in a league without LSS protection or play in pubs without LSS protection and tbh I'd rather be playing some matches right now.




also, turn that frown upsidedown

I don't have to turn it upside down, I'm already smiling remembering how badly I raped you the last time I played you. Terrible player, terrible logic. Let's say we start RIGHT now, I have the knowledge and power to do all of the following.

1. LSS scripting takes advantage of a major source engine hole in security. I can hide every single hack or script I want to.
2. I can change your server config at will and can bypass sv_cheats 1. In demo reviews I would have it on a toggle function to look unsuspicious, toggle sv_cheats 1 on and off at will.
3. I can make any script I want to undetectable by Zblock/KAK/Keepers
4. Give me another week understanding LSS scripting and I will be able to manually change your config, I can change your rates to make it look like your rate cycling and get you banned from the league.
5. I'm not the only one who knows how to take advantage of the source engine loophole and LSS scripting, for one Voz does, and I'm not surprised he wants to start the league early .

I am ready to resign though and let an admin replace me that is of the position to start it now. Perhaps I'll stay in the league and hack it up just for fun to prove how stupid it is to start early, but I have never tried a hack in my life, I only have the knowledge how to now and will never hack even though I do now, I dont need to.

I dont know what that means but Im getting the feeling that im being offended

I don't have to turn it upside down, I'm already smiling remembering how badly I raped you the last time I played you. Terrible player, terrible logic.

Harsh bro...
I don't even remember playing you, cool alias?

Edit: actually I'm almost positive the only people I've played 1v1 against recently were Keptin, Kingha, and Edge. Troll harder mr. admin

This entire argument doesn't matter. We're waiting on the website anyway. In the meantime we're working on fixing the issue.

Valium, understand you don't like Cheese's point, but that's no reason to pull out your Flamethrower

This entire argument doesn't matter. We're waiting on the website anyway. In the meantime we're working on fixing the issue.

Valium, understand you don't like Cheese's point, but that's no reason to pull out your Flamethrower

That's what she said....


Once again Holy just makes sense while I continue to look for knifefights, I think on purpose. The whole arguement is pretty vain as the website won't even be operational for awhile yet, by the time its finished we will have a working LUA/LSS script blocker up anyway. I'm no dictator and people may resume CU league, all you have to do is talk to Nix on CU about a managerial appointment and continue the league, simple as that. CU has made itself clear on its cheating and anticheat policies, policies that are woeful and lacking, and thus another reason I chose not to continue it. I see alot of people here crying about resuming CU, well GODDAMNIT do it then good sir! Become an administrator and do it then, dont cry to me about it.

Here's what I propose. While we wait for the eFPS back-end to become user-ready, why don't we organize a Summer League? Let's do 2v2 and 1v1. I'll make some sign-up sheets. It won't be eFPS-official, and matches won't have to be played on eFPS-approved servers. Consider it an organized pick-up league while we all wait for something more substantial?

What do you guys think?

sign me and phan up

summer champs here we come~

Divinity and I too

I'm in, and I'm pretty sure so is the rest of |TPA|.

do i get a medal if i win?

The entire idea for eFPS grew out of disappointment with CU. Judging by the general excitement level for eFPS, I can only assume that few people are seriously considering a return to CU. Here's what I propose. While we wait for the eFPS back-end to become user-ready, why don't we organize a Summer League? Let's do 2v2 and 1v1. I'll make some sign-up sheets. It won't be eFPS-official, and matches won't have to be played on eFPS-approved servers. Consider it an organized pick-up league while we all wait for something more substantial?

What do you guys think?

i'd love a new competition but it would just be another warzone if its this unorganized. with this little people it just wouldnt work.

I continue to look for knifefights

Link

http://www.xpleague.com/

looks like they had the same idea as holy

http://www.xpleague.com/

looks like they had the same idea as holy

but where is hl2dm at?

When CAL died there were a whole shit load of people trying to start leagues. There was a new one announced almost every week for a while. Every one of them had CSS and most had COD, and L4D. None of them would have anything to do with HL2DM because it doesnt have a big enough player base, doesnt attract advertisers, sponsors, tons of players, etc. This is why it is going to take HL2DM people to get one going, because, for the most part, non HL2DM dont care enough about the game.

About that xpl league. I actually know 2 of the guys that are starting the new league and one of them is in my css lan team. If I know that enough people are interested, enough meaning more than 3 - 4 teams like the other leagues we had. I can talk to him about it and he might want to make a hl2dm division.

About that xpl league. I actually know 2 of the guys that are starting the new league and one of them is in my css lan team. If I know that enough people are interested, enough meaning more than 3 - 4 teams like the other leagues we had. I can talk to him about it and he might want to make a hl2dm division.

If this guy just adds the game in for shits -n- giggles, he's not going to be available when problems pop up.
The best hope for an HL2DM league lies in people that actually give a fuck about HL2DM and want to help it out. Right now those people are Holy, Bucky and Val. If you impatient fags will get your panties out of your ass-crack and wait a while, it will be done and done right. I don't see what the rush is.

If this guy just adds the game in for shits -n- giggles, he's not going to be available when problems pop up.
The best hope for an HL2DM league lies in people that actually give a fuck about HL2DM and want to help it out. Right now those people are Holy, Bucky and Val. If you impatient fags will get your panties out of your ass-crack and wait a while, it will be done and done right. I don't see what the rush is.

Yea, it's going to take people who actually care, agreed. Building the website will take time, especially when it's taking up Bucky's spare time. These things take time, even more so if you want it all polished with spit and shine.

Also, Vals, about changing the configs...whether it be on the server or client, make the config files read-only. The LUA scripts as far as I know, which isn't much (as far as LUA), shouldn't be able to write over your config files. That goes for any files you don't want overwritten.

I realize there are still other issues, but this may address that one.

Also, Vals, about changing the configs...whether it be on the server or client, make the config files read-only. The LUA scripts as far as I know, which isn't much (as far as LUA), shouldn't be able to write over your config files. That goes for any files you don't want overwritten.

Ty for the advice. Holy should change the official rules to include a provision to strongly encourage people to do that before playing any matches, though I sincerely doubt anyone here including myself has the complete knowledge to do it correctly yet.

it would be great if they was at least a quake live ladder tourney. A lot of people might be interested i know i would be

draft on the 13th? anyone have a vent?

If this guy just adds the game in for shits -n- giggles, he's not going to be available when problems pop up.
The best hope for an HL2DM league lies in people that actually give a fuck about HL2DM and want to help it out. Right now those people are Holy, Bucky and Val. If you impatient fags will get your panties out of your ass-crack and wait a while, it will be done and done right. I don't see what the rush is.

Yea, it's going to take people who actually care, agreed. Building the website will take time, especially when it's taking up Bucky's spare time. These things take time, even more so if you want it all polished with spit and shine.

Also, Vals, about changing the configs...whether it be on the server or client, make the config files read-only. The LUA scripts as far as I know, which isn't much (as far as LUA), shouldn't be able to write over your config files. That goes for any files you don't want overwritten.

I realize there are still other issues, but this may address that one.

Uh, that doesnt make sense to me, server files cant be overwritten by lua, i think that requires actual hax, ie hacked dll file or something.

XPL is OK at some things, but not at others. For one, the website design is atrocious. It looks like something out of the 90's. More importantly, however, XPL doesn't support TF2 or hl2dm. And they won't. Why would they? It doesn't make sense for a league that's looking for sponsors and trying to give out cash to winning teams. IMO, when a league starts being driven by the desire to gain more sponsorship and award bigger amounts of money, that's when the love of the game takes a backseat to revenue charts.

On a fundamental level, though, what XPL is aiming for is something much different than what we envision eFPS becoming. XPL wants to just be a league. We envision eFPS as an all-in-one gaming community, where users can go to grab maps and skins, read the latest news on their games, talk to other people in forums, and play competitively in leagues. That's a one-site solution to what is really a four site process now (steam for news, fpsbanana for maps and skins, hl2dm-u for forums, and CU for leagues).

Uh, that doesnt make sense to me, server files cant be overwritten by lua, i think that requires actual hax, ie hacked dll file or something.

It requires access to the Windows API, be it directly or indirectly. That being said, I don't know that LUA scripts being executed by the source engine have the ability to overwrite files. Making the config files read-only may not help. The scripts may simply be affecting the variables in memory and never actually cause your config files to be overwritten.

I was simply offering up advice or an idea to look into for whoever is developing the plug-in to combat LUA scripts.

Ultimately, my feeling is that the LUA scripts are affecting memory, and the read-only attribute on your configuration files won't help.

Well, if having read only files does help, then u best create both game.cfg and server.cfg files.
Cause if u are using server.cfg to run ur cfg and someone comes along and puts game.cfg on there, game.cfg is the one the runs auto in my experience. Could cause problems i guess /shrugs.

check your pm MondaySunshine

Yes, but the thing about a free league (not saying it's bad or anything like that, I like playing in them still) is that for games like hl2dm where the community is very small, you won't get any new players, you'll just have the same couple of teams playing every season. I understand that hl2dm is an old game etc.etc. but I think we need a new or new-ish league that is trying to get sponsors etc. for hl2dm, especially if we have the extra chance of already knowing some people that are going to run the league because yes it's nice to have a league, but I'm pretty sure people are getting or eventually will get bored of playing the same 5 teams over and over again a couple of seasons in. So by getting the game in a new starting league with some kind of cash prize, doesn't have to be $5000 at the beginning like css, but just a good amount of money maybe $250 or something, then people signing up for that league will also be checking out other games that the league will be hosting and I think it's then that we might succeed in making hl2dm a bigger competitive game.

Just a FYI: The new league will not be XPL anymore, most admins are "retiring" from XPL to form another league because XPL was made really fast without much thought, so I think if we get our idea of hl2dm across to the new league admins they might consider this.

Yes, but the thing about a free league (not saying it's bad or anything like that, I like playing in them still) is that for games like hl2dm where the community is very small, you won't get any new players, you'll just have the same couple of teams playing every season. I understand that hl2dm is an old game etc.etc. but I think we need a new or new-ish league that is trying to get sponsors etc. for hl2dm, especially if we have the extra chance of already knowing some people that are going to run the league because yes it's nice to have a league, but I'm pretty sure people are getting or eventually will get bored of playing the same 5 teams over and over again a couple of seasons in. So by getting the game in a new starting league with some kind of cash prize, doesn't have to be $5000 at the beginning like css, but just a good amount of money maybe $250 or something, then people signing up for that league will also be checking out other games that the league will be hosting and I think it's then that we might succeed in making hl2dm a bigger competitive game.

Just a FYI: The new league will not be XPL anymore, most admins are "retiring" from XPL to form another league because XPL was made really fast without much thought, so I think if we get our idea of hl2dm across to the new league admins they might consider this.

at this point in the community the only people that can run a successful league is ourselves.

Yes, but the thing about a free league (not saying it's bad or anything like that, I like playing in them still) is that for games like hl2dm where the community is very small, you won't get any new players, you'll just have the same couple of teams playing every season. I understand that hl2dm is an old game etc.etc. but I think we need a new or new-ish league that is trying to get sponsors etc. for hl2dm, especially if we have the extra chance of already knowing some people that are going to run the league because yes it's nice to have a league, but I'm pretty sure people are getting or eventually will get bored of playing the same 5 teams over and over again a couple of seasons in. So by getting the game in a new starting league with some kind of cash prize, doesn't have to be $5000 at the beginning like css, but just a good amount of money maybe $250 or something, then people signing up for that league will also be checking out other games that the league will be hosting and I think it's then that we might succeed in making hl2dm a bigger competitive game.

Just a FYI: The new league will not be XPL anymore, most admins are "retiring" from XPL to form another league because XPL was made really fast without much thought, so I think if we get our idea of hl2dm across to the new league admins they might consider this.

l4d2 didn't get in xpl. for a game this size a community run is going to be a better bet. The players in hl2dm could donate a couple bucks for prizes but it is not going to be enough for new teams to join. While it takes time new teams do happen. Look at the CAL's last season til CU, almost completel different teams. The game has always had good numbers just a high turn around rate. Almost no one is still around from the STA days and I know only 3 people are still around that even know what AAT means.

Community based is going to mean faster desisions and less forfeits. It is either play the same 5 teams or play 3 of the 5 teams with 2 forfeits. Look at CU once you get some seasons in the new teams that are srs will come.

That's what everyone thinks in this community because of past experiences and that's one of the reason this game will never grow again. You can't think that by running a free community ran league you'll get attraction from other gamers. If you want the game to grow, what you need is a new/new-ish league that is willing to host hl2dm and give it some cash prizes. The hl2dm part of the league can still be ran by community members, but I really doubt that just community based leagues will really attract any new players or teams.

That's what everyone thinks in this community because of past experiences and that's one of the reason this game will never grow again. You can't think that by running a free community ran league you'll get attraction from other gamers. If you want the game to grow, what you need is a new/new-ish league that is willing to host hl2dm and give it some cash prizes. The hl2dm part of the league can still be ran by community members, but I really doubt that just community based leagues will really attract any new players or teams.

We've already had a litmus test of an organization, a huge one at that let us exist under their larger organization, that was CAL. We've seen the results of the integration, a ton of new clans with CSS hotheads who thought they could learn the game in a week and assumed they had better skills automatically. They got annihiliated because of the skill gap and never came back, we ended up just wasting our time against these new clans and players completely. Not only that but we saw how upper admins interfered with the running of the HL2DM division who knew nothing about the game. I.E. the nutri grain demo review by a guy who was rumored to not even had the game downloaded at the time.

IMO Holy is planning an adequate organization as it is already that is similar to your concept, let it cook awhile longer. For COD for example we'd probably have diferent admins like Da11aS for example.

host downloadable content for multiple games with proper discussion forums and map pages featuring comments and reviews.
have massive ads on you site and make MONEY!. then you'll be able to run a prize competition. doable.

pzpzpzpz

wait...

Ghosty deserves some sort of medal for that sig.

Give it to him.






















He will accept the 911 Da11as Hat as well.

Fuck that bro, no one takes my hat.

Feels weird being on the spectate-side of seeing some huge faggot getting a lot of accounts banned.

It seems like Tim (if this is really him and not panic or someone/thing trolling) is interested in a competitive resurgence of hl2dm; one can infer he wants to defend is utterly useless and barely admirable "title."
Why the fuck else would he be directing his self-proclaimed "invaluable attention" to this thread?

Sure. Yah. Mindless trolling; with billy? No.
His is not the over-zealous type like myself.

I see some admins are deleting his posts; my advice is to leave them, so long as they are not off the fucking charts when it comes to how offensive they are. Looking back on when I used spam-bots and shit on these forums, it was actually a blessing that my mindless bullshit was deleted as it erased any record of me being a total jackass. No more evidence now. Just hearsay.
I for one don't give a small dick about hl2dm's league scene. The game is still a joke from a competitive standpoint, as Micahwave said all those years ago. Shitty physics + unbalanced weapons = bullshit game. Only thing worth playing it for is the movement system which is still a little too slow for a REAL fps and it happened by accident.

Yah. Accident. Prolly why that's the aspect of the game that turned out 'O.K.'

That's why I have not posted in this thread or one's like it 'casue I really don't care.
But Timmy - if that is really you - why the fuck do YOU care?
Just randomly post in the sc2-related threads, much like I have with Metroid-related shit on this site.
That way you don't look so desperate/queer/gay/etc.

Otherwise, and speaking from considerable experience, I can honestly say you're a fucking faggot.
Not for trolling, but for caring about hl2dm and "ur title." lawl.

Forget I said anything, I love billy now.

Behold:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6697261/

Fucking Will Smith.

I paid PB $40 dollars not to make fun of anyone...

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153039/

If Tim is going to get banned and erased this place is dead.

"I for one don't give a small dick about hl2dm's league scene."

Then go and clamp your nipples and diddle yourself, wackyass.

I could say how that part of my post was pertaining to how I have NOT been posting in these kind of topics/threads and was rather pointing out why Timmy-Tim was, but Impala probably won't get that either.

Then I remember how I dealt with my giddy, old, ex-army-ranger, high-school football coach:
"Never argue with an idiot; they just bring you down to their level then beat you with experience."

Therefore, you are right Impala. My nipples are now clamped - but I need some help with the diddling.
Can anyone lend a hand?































besides Constipator?

I suggest you fuck yourself.

Here we go again.

That was the most friendly go **** yourself imaginable Jesus.

Two Thumbs Up!

Oh, yeah, that's me. In b4 people say they want to sex me or don't want to sex me.

Two Thumbs Up!

Oh, yeah, that's me. In b4 people say they want to sex me or don't want to sex me.

hawt internet secks pl0x

Oh we can do this.

Holy doesn't even remember the Steam raid we did.
Yeah, that was me.
My liege, that was so fucking good.
We got banned and then reinstated when what's his face was fired as MOD!

Ancient History, i suppose.
His film is still top 5 for me, and HIDEF!

related to trent reznor?!?!

Oh we can do this.

nice sig there

I love that sig!

Two Thumbs Up!

Oh, yeah, that's me. In b4 people say they want to sex me or don't want to sex me.

beach bum

Which mod got fired?

Somebody help me out here!

It will come to me in a dream, his name.

I remember!

TONJOHN!

Ahh i remember that guy, why he get fired, for being a douche?

Yeah, he got fired because he sent me a stupid post, which i forwarded to the Big dog.

He was obviously a CSS guy and had no patience for DM.
And it showed.
I just ran with it.

Oh we can do this.

nice sig there

You stay classy.

mm I just burnt my tongue.

Two Thumbs Up!

Oh, yeah, that's me. In b4 people say they want to sex me or don't want to sex me.

I've already sexed you, and it was good. Would reccomend as a personal manwhore or male escort to any lonely HL2DMU housewives, or even lonely old HL2DMU closet gays.

Two Thumbs Up!

Oh, yeah, that's me. In b4 people say they want to sex me or don't want to sex me.

I've already sexed you, and it was good. Would reccomend as a personal manwhore or male escort to any lonely HL2DMU housewives, or even lonely old HL2DMU closet gays.

So you would fall into the latter category then??

Two Thumbs Up!

Oh, yeah, that's me. In b4 people say they want to sex me or don't want to sex me.

I've already sexed you, and it was good. Would reccomend as a personal manwhore or male escort to any lonely HL2DMU housewives, or even lonely old HL2DMU closet gays.

So you would fall into the latter category then??

I think I just heard a whisper coming from a lifelong mediocre player but I cant seem to see him.


































Oh nvm its just a dog humping my leg again

This thread delivers

What's with this guy? Talks about having sex with Holy one post but then decides to put on his serious face? Lighten up!

1. I'm not trying to be the best, I just came back because it's still fun to play some matches.
2. 1v1?

I guess I missed the part where I was being srs. Add me up brah, lets do eeeeeeeeeeeeet

looks like the l4d community is falling in love with eFPS. Good stuff.

From some guy named Merlyn in the eFPS topic at L4Dnao:

God help us all if the troll crew here meets up with the troll crew at hl2dm-university.com.

From some guy named Merlyn in the eFPS topic at L4Dnao:

God help us all if the troll crew here meets up with the troll crew at hl2dm-university.com.

That's just Grape

you're jk right?

you're jk right?

Who? Me? Nah, some guy really said that lol, Idk if it's Grape tho.

you're jk right?

lol yea. A lot of guys thought Merlyn was Grape there for a bit.

heh yeah. i was one of them