*OLD* Offical map vote

ninojman

2009-05-07 18:32:34

So here is the final map vote. As with the nomination thread people outside of the tourney can vote. (some people should sign-up I am still looking for one more team or if kigha can figure out that kigha has a team signed up)

Also Captains please pm me with your top 5 maps. To show what the teams want and that your team is active.

Pools will go up soon as the admins work to finish the minor details for the rules.

top five maps would be
dm_Caverns - 14
dm_Milieu - 10
dm_BioHazard_cal - 10
dm_lostarena - 7
dm_lockdown_r5 - 6

If it ended today, Not the new maps everyone was looking for but a solid group of maps I think. la and milieu would be new to comp, cav is not old. Shit r5 could kinda be considered new..... and bio is well bio.

Anyway lets look forward to some fun games. Matches will start within 1-2 weeks.

Va|iums

2009-05-07 18:59:46

Gotta fix the poll nino or any other admin, only allows for one voting option

ninojman

2009-05-07 19:32:38

fixed

[EYE] Valar

2009-05-07 19:37:03

Please remove dm_purity from the poll. or are we now supporting stealing other people's work?
http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... =17&t=3939

also, dm_LostVillage shows up twice.

Uncle Rico

2009-05-07 19:40:20

LV is on there twice.

ninojman

2009-05-07 19:51:40

remoning the second lv

removing dm_purity I didn't know what it was

keefy

2009-05-07 19:53:11

Cannot vote for the same one 5 times booo!

provost

2009-05-08 01:17:51

so i was always linked here, but i could never actually find the thread on my own...



WAIT....



IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NAMED DRAFT NIGHT AND NOT HL2DMU CUP


seriously now, rename section.

also, underpass has some serious glitches and shouldnt be there ( you can walk out of the map? lol)

CoNfuSed

2009-05-08 03:02:04

So much for the new maps heh. imo the admins should've chose the maps out of the new maps.

Zman42

2009-05-08 03:07:15

I'm confused, your poll about whether to include all new maps or all old ones or somewhere in between was clearly decided in favor of all new maps, so why are there old maps in this vote?
thats just not right, the people voted to only play "new" maps, sooooooo why are you not listening to what we voted? also perhaps as confused said, we admins should have just picked from the "new" maps available.

ninojman

2009-05-08 03:28:31

out of the top 5 i mentioned i would consider 3 (la,cav,mil) new seriously. Discuss

Zman42

2009-05-08 04:38:54

ninojman wrote:out of the top 5 i mentioned i would consider 3 (la,cav,mil) new seriously. Discuss
my point is you held a vote which determined people only wanted to vote on new maps, and then you held a vote in which people could vote for maps as old as overwatch. wat

L2k

2009-05-08 04:46:36

Zman42 wrote:
ninojman wrote:out of the top 5 i mentioned i would consider 3 (la,cav,mil) new seriously. Discuss
my point is you held a vote which determined people only wanted to vote on new maps, and then you held a vote in which people could vote for maps as old as overwatch. wat
Yep, it seems its the same old thing where the vote means nothing. You should remove everything that isnt new.
Although I do like LA and Cavs (and they are not that old) I have played them 1 million times and so they don't feel so new to me, I'd like to be forced to play something new. As far as LD r_5 don't even think about it.

CoNfuSed

2009-05-08 05:54:54

Totally agreed with punk and Zman there. Although it is true that la and cavs aren't THAT old, people have played them millions and millions of times, so they're still old for players even if they're not in time. Like I said in my previous reply, my suggestion is that the 2v2 cup admins get together in a steam chat or something and decide on the maps, only using the NEW ones.

Monarch

2009-05-08 08:24:13

if you want new maps, wait for final maps.

my top5 is bio, caverns, warlock, lostarena and lostvillage

Zman42

2009-05-08 16:01:08

Monarch wrote:if you want new maps, wait for final maps.

my top5 is bio, caverns, warlock, lostarena and lostvillage
You don't understand, I don't really care much what maps are played, but since people voted and the outcome was that we were ONLY going to have NEW maps, it isn't right to have a vote that includes old ones. Nino you need to change this vote.

[EYE] Valar

2009-05-08 17:16:48

CoNfuSed wrote:Totally agreed with punk and Zman there. Although it is true that la and cavs aren't THAT old, people have played them millions and millions of times, so they're still old for players even if they're not in time. Like I said in my previous reply, my suggestion is that the 2v2 cup admins get together in a steam chat or something and decide on the maps, only using the NEW ones.
this is true.

Monarch

2009-05-08 18:22:02

Zman42 wrote:
Monarch wrote:if you want new maps, wait for final maps.

my top5 is bio, caverns, warlock, lostarena and lostvillage
You don't understand, I don't really care much what maps are played, but since people voted and the outcome was that we were ONLY going to have NEW maps, it isn't right to have a vote that includes old ones. Nino you need to change this vote.
There are 50% old and suck maps. I really care, cos I wanna play and enjoy it..
My top5 is about this list, I didnt tell not to use the new ones, I just agree if we play new maps especially final maps of the 2nd contest

ninojman

2009-05-08 22:34:49

That was the point of both votes. People want new maps, so I can do this vote and take the highest 'new' maps rather then just taking the top 5. I was going to put on the end of each map weather it was a old or new map but don't have the time. and that may be up to debate. Mainly caverns is the only one i have a question about.

This vote will end mid-next (Wednesday) week and updated rules will be out with the pools so people can start getting the matches done. So as of right now.

mil, La, dm is alive, Jeager, warlock, rapidfire being the top 6 maps that have never been used in a full season of cal.


I would say practice mil for sure

Jelly Fox

2009-05-08 23:51:28

dm_wardon :mrgreen:

Monarch

2009-05-09 00:18:41

U mean dm_milieu_final ?

Constipator

2009-05-09 00:59:18

Well nino if you do it that way, and just take from this vote only the votes that are for "new" maps, doesn't that mean that people who voted unknowingly for "old" maps are being screwed? They may not have known this would happen, so their votes are being thrown out?

I voted for all new maps, so it doesn't affect me, but other people might be mad.

Zman42

2009-05-09 01:37:06

Constipator wrote:Well nino if you do it that way, and just take from this vote only the votes that are for "new" maps, doesn't that mean that people who voted unknowingly for "old" maps are being screwed? They may not have known this would happen, so their votes are being thrown out?

I voted for all new maps, so it doesn't affect me, but other people might be mad.
^ this.
Not only are people who vote for old maps getting screwed, but there's no way to tell what you personally consider a new or old map. You said you didn't have the time, ok then wait until you DO have the time, rather than put up a vote which will completely confuse and annoy people who unknowingly have their votes thrown out. This is like the worst possible method of creating a vote... Include all maps and then later decide what you want to count as new maps, not only alienating those who voted for older maps or maps you decided were older, but allowing for significant bias. I'm pretty annoyed with how this has been played out.

herbalizer

2009-05-09 01:50:39

I should have probably took the voting more seriously, I didn't realize once you pick them thats it! Anyways, is it too late to sign up new teams for this or what?

Zman42

2009-05-09 01:53:04

oh, and its set so anyone can vote for maps, not just those playing in the tourney. that was probably not the best way to go.

Va|iums

2009-05-09 02:02:13

K here it is guys... Ninoj you did unknowingly setup a trap and fell into it, that being said let the votes count and keep the top 5 that people voted for. I reallly don't think it's cool to setup that vote then block the ones who wasted votes on old maps. Let all the lessons we learned today better serve us tomorrow when we run the next 2v2 tourney after this one, where I will donate a pretty large sum of money toward and when the map contestants maps are finally released, where we can truly run an entirely new map tournament. This is a trial and run tournament completely made from scratch, nino has made mistakes but overall he has his heart in the right place and will run the next one good I GOT THE FAITH!!!

[EYE] Valar

2009-05-09 03:11:38

yeah nino's weird. but i love him.

herbalizer

2009-05-09 03:13:49

He can't do everything alone here, someone else should step it up and give him a hand!

*not me! :x

CoNfuSed

2009-05-09 04:11:52

Well, like most people said, this isn't the best way of doing a vote for a tournament. First, letting people that aren't even participating in the tourney vote eh I don't need to say more. Second, starting a vote without even knowing if that are the maps that are going to be in the tourney. Third, after most of the people have voted, starting to think about changing the maps or just picking the new maps out of all the maps that were voted for.

Basically, I'll say it again. I think you should just cancel this whole vote poll and choose among the new maps with all the tourney admins, it's going to be way simpler and people won't go all out on each other because the vote wasn't made correctly and all that other stuff.

L2k

2009-05-09 05:27:00

this is why I have waited to sign up and if it turns out its too late then so be it. I'm not even remotely interested in playing a tournament with maps like bio, lockdown ect, it will just be the same old boring bs.

I think its a crying shame :cry: that you cant just take advantage of all the hard work Valar has done for the community and just run a tournament with his new maps, most of his recent maps have been scrimmed and and are very competition worthy. If I see a map line up like:
milieu
FTW
mudafuga
remorse
is_alive
any of those I would be excited and be looking to sign up asap and I think that alot of people might just be the same way.

I really am baffled though why you put up a vote asking the general population what they want to see and you get a overwhelming response of new maps only then you go and put a official map vote up with the same old bs maps like lockdown_r5 ( I really cant stop :lol: at this map) just because a map has been revised (or screwed over) 5 times does not make it a new map.

ninojman

2009-05-09 05:52:05

Still need one more team before Sunday herb, or punk.

Punk i put up a nomination thread and then posted all of those maps. Honestly you guys are looking into this a bit much, the maps will be new to hl2dm in league play

Zman42

2009-05-09 07:50:28

ninojman wrote:Still need one more team before Sunday herb, or punk.

Punk i put up a nomination thread and then posted all of those maps. Honestly you guys are looking into this a bit much, the maps will be new to hl2dm in league play
You're just completely ignoring all of us. I'm hanging up my hl2dmu cup adminship, gl with it.

CoNfuSed

2009-05-09 07:51:49

Sooooo, what does that mean nino...

Blasphemy

2009-05-09 08:20:21

if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Poor_Billy

2009-05-09 08:25:26

Zman42 wrote:
ninojman wrote:Still need one more team before Sunday herb, or punk.

Punk i put up a nomination thread and then posted all of those maps. Honestly you guys are looking into this a bit much, the maps will be new to hl2dm in league play
You're just completely ignoring all of us. I'm hanging up my hl2dmu cup adminship, gl with it.
we care...get out.

Zman42

2009-05-09 09:16:14

Poor_Billy wrote:
Zman42 wrote:
ninojman wrote:Still need one more team before Sunday herb, or punk.

Punk i put up a nomination thread and then posted all of those maps. Honestly you guys are looking into this a bit much, the maps will be new to hl2dm in league play
You're just completely ignoring all of us. I'm hanging up my hl2dmu cup adminship, gl with it.
we care...get out.
go fuck yourself. :)

Sacrifist

2009-05-09 12:46:31

L2k wrote: I really am baffled though why you put up a vote asking the general population what they want to see and you get a overwhelming response of new maps only then you go and put a official map vote up with the same old bs maps like lockdown_r5 ( I really cant stop :lol: at this map) just because a map has been revised (or screwed over) 5 times does not make it a new map.
Word

Uncle Rico

2009-05-09 17:56:51

Zman42

2009-05-09 19:06:22

Uncle Rico wrote:
Zman42 wrote:go fuck yourself. :)
http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... p?f=8&t=19
and you can join him.

Monarch

2009-05-09 20:50:04

Zman42 wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:
Zman42 wrote:go fuck yourself. :)
http://www.hl2dm-university.com/forum/p ... p?f=8&t=19
and you can join him.
:? :lol:

Nutri-Grain

2009-05-09 21:08:55

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Va|iums

2009-05-09 22:20:07

Nutri-Grain wrote:
Va|iums wrote:K here it is guys... Ninoj you did unknowingly setup a trap and fell into it, that being said let the votes count and keep the top 5 that people voted for. I reallly don't think it's cool to setup that vote then block the ones who wasted votes on old maps. Let all the lessons we learned today better serve us tomorrow when we run the next 2v2 tourney after this one, where I will donate a pretty large sum of money toward and when the map contestants maps are finally released, where we can truly run an entirely new map tournament. This is a trial and run tournament completely made from scratch, nino has made mistakes but overall he has his heart in the right place and will run the next one good I GOT THE FAITH!!!
You just wanna play LD :wink:
LOL spotted me out Nutri :sketchy: Was hoping to see at least ONE map I liked in the tourney tbh

The Argumentalizer

2009-05-09 23:12:26

Zman42 wrote:
Monarch wrote:if you want new maps, wait for final maps.

my top5 is bio, caverns, warlock, lostarena and lostvillage
You don't understand, I don't really care much what maps are played, but since people voted and the outcome was that we were ONLY going to have NEW maps, it isn't right to have a vote that includes old ones. Nino you need to change this vote.

Jeeeezz, either you care or you don't! If you don't care, why even bring this up!?!

The vote is for the 5 top maps, PERIOD.
FFS!

Nutri-Grain

2009-05-09 23:13:18

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Zman42

2009-05-09 23:28:49

Nutri-Grain wrote:You can't love everything in life. I will admit that airfusion is a damn sexy new map. All the others I haven't had a chance to play much, but I would love to play them in matches. I think that this poll was pretty dumb, but I honestly don't see the reason to get all up in Nino's "grill" about it. Once again, he's trying to do something positive for the community by running this Cup. He's got alot of stuff going on in his life right now so I think some of you guys should cut him some slack. That being said, maybe some other people could step up to the plate and help out instead of just bitching?
Zman42 wrote:
ninojman wrote:Still need one more team before Sunday herb, or punk.

Punk i put up a nomination thread and then posted all of those maps. Honestly you guys are looking into this a bit much, the maps will be new to hl2dm in league play
You're just completely ignoring all of us. I'm hanging up my hl2dmu cup adminship, gl with it.
Way to go Zman. Bitch and whine about the poll on the public forum just like everyone else, instead of talking to Nino in private messages (like any half-decent admin would do), and then hang up your adminship. What a great way to help the progression of this Cup! Bravo!

I suggest something along the lines of what Confused said - Delete this poll thread and talk to the other Cup admins about the map selection. Choose a list of only new maps for the Cup and then make a new poll. Make the poll only open to people that are playing in the Cup. No need for everyone to get all worked up - we don't need anymore Zman clones in the community; injuring their household pets with furious little kicks.
You just flamed me for making suggestions and then bailing when they weren't followed through, and then suggested exactly what I did. Do you have some sort of mental handicap? And perhaps you're right that you don't need anymore zman clones in the community. But of course, we don't have even 1 zman clone in the community, so I Have no idea what you're babbling about.

[EYE] Valar

2009-05-10 01:48:48

i'll play peacekeeper on this one lol.
but seriously, what nino is trying to do is a GOOD thing and this BS thread is disrespectful to his efforts. if he makes mistakes that's because he is human. the fact still remains - he has enough balls to take this on himself when no one else steps up. so yall should set aside your well known and clearly overly posted differences and now go on and help up because in case you didn't get it yet : this thing has as much chance to work as we ALL give it.
so...don't let nino be the fall guy for human mistakes and for YOUR OWN shortcomings. let him be what he tries to be - admin this league.
you can do it lol. it's not very hard if you understand ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TEAMPLAY.
now, as vals suggested already - let this be the first season which we can learn from and better the second season. move it the fuk along. it's all good. it's a game. games are fun. fun is a good thing and good things can be had :D

Nutri-Grain

2009-05-10 02:30:03

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ninojman

2009-05-10 06:17:32

ninojman wrote: Also Captains please pm me with your top 5 maps. To show what the teams want and that your team is active.

Monarch

2009-05-10 11:31:06

Image

:agree:

Darkology

2009-05-11 00:29:53

Zman42 wrote:If I were you dal I would *not* choose pomp as an admin, she clearly has issues and tends to run off and hide at the slightest hint of a confrontation, which seems to me to be a poor trait in an admin (think player disputes etc)
Zman42 wrote:You're just completely ignoring all of us. I'm hanging up my hl2dmu cup adminship, gl with it.
ironic isn't it?

Zman42

2009-05-11 00:46:43

Darkology wrote:
Zman42 wrote:If I were you dal I would *not* choose pomp as an admin, she clearly has issues and tends to run off and hide at the slightest hint of a confrontation, which seems to me to be a poor trait in an admin (think player disputes etc)
Zman42 wrote:You're just completely ignoring all of us. I'm hanging up my hl2dmu cup adminship, gl with it.
ironic isn't it?
Actually no, you're just an idiot. I tried for a long time both in the public forums and in the draft admin forums to get nino to address the issue and he hasn't so far. So I'm just realizing he doesn't plan to ever and I don't want to be an admin for a flawed league such as this.

The Argumentalizer

2009-05-11 02:15:01

ZMan, it is a POLL posted by Nino. Nothing more.

Why do you leap off the deep end to making it a bigger issue than it is?
What if folks voted for New Maps and that conflicted with the top 5?!?!
What if Nino did a poll of New/Old, Top 5 democratic, and top5 captains choice and used all three?
What if he posted later that here is this and here is that and lets decide.

Instead, you reply I DONT THINK ITS RIGHT ... W/e BEFORE anything is decided.
Maybe you could just ASK HIM?!?!?!

Zman42

2009-05-11 02:50:50

The Argumentalizer wrote:ZMan, it is a POLL posted by Nino. Nothing more.

Why do you leap off the deep end to making it a bigger issue than it is?
What if folks voted for New Maps and that conflicted with the top 5?!?!
What if Nino did a poll of New/Old, Top 5 democratic, and top5 captains choice and used all three?
What if he posted later that here is this and here is that and lets decide.

Instead, you reply I DONT THINK ITS RIGHT ... W/e BEFORE anything is decided.
Maybe you could just ASK HIM?!?!?!
Skip the meds again?

Nutri-Grain

2009-05-11 03:33:52

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Ko-Tao

2009-05-11 04:21:50

The Argumentalizer wrote: A) Why do you leap off the deep end to making it a bigger issue than it is?
B) What if folks voted for New Maps and that conflicted with the top 5?!?!
C) What if Nino did a poll of New/Old, Top 5 democratic, and top5 captains choice and used all three?
D) What if he posted later that here is this and here is that and lets decide.
E) None of the above.
F) All of the above!
I choose F (all of the above) which just so happens to paradoxically include E (none of the above).

Probably not as powerful or final as division by zero, but its possible the universe will implode just the same!

Sacrifist

2009-05-11 04:43:49

Zman42 wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:ZMan, it is a POLL posted by Nino. Nothing more.

Why do you leap off the deep end to making it a bigger issue than it is?
What if folks voted for New Maps and that conflicted with the top 5?!?!
What if Nino did a poll of New/Old, Top 5 democratic, and top5 captains choice and used all three?
What if he posted later that here is this and here is that and lets decide.

Instead, you reply I DONT THINK ITS RIGHT ... W/e BEFORE anything is decided.
Maybe you could just ASK HIM?!?!?!
Skip the meds again?
Hmm, nope, I see nothing in his post that would lead me to believe that he skipped them. His post is spot on. I personally dont like the poll having alot of older maps in it either, but you went a little overboard. It's just a game, where winning gets you nothing but your own feeling of gratitude. But, if you think this poll causes you grief, then by all means, dont be an admin. It is a free country. Nino, if you need any extra admins, Ill help out.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-05-12 02:45:38

lmao, what does "leap off the deep end" mean

The Argumentalizer

2009-05-12 04:07:30

Lol, Google!

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-05-12 04:21:21

lol, its "go off the deep end" impala not "leap off the deep end"

Freetux

2009-05-12 05:24:13

U drama time w00t :popcorn:

The Argumentalizer

2009-05-12 06:00:15

Go off, Jump, Leap, all the same. All interchangeable.

I take it back and replace it with "get your panties in a wad".

Better?
(sorry for the hijack)

ninojman

2009-05-12 06:15:01

Sacrifist wrote:Nino, if you need any extra admins, Ill help out.
Sure pm me.

On that note Confused has joined the admin team

badinfluence

2009-05-12 17:38:43

Freetux wrote:U drama time w00t :popcorn:
Can I sit next to you? :popcorn:

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-05-12 18:39:36

The Argumentalizer wrote:Go off, Jump, Leap, all the same. All interchangeable.

I take it back and replace it with "get your panties in a wad".

Better?
(sorry for the hijack)
lol, much better. love you

CoNfuSed

2009-05-13 02:11:48

Yes sir. So if you have any questions about anything ask me.

GLHF to all the teams that are participating in the 2v2 cup.