here's my posts relevant to the matter:
its just not there. thats my take from watching the stv. i'll give some particulars... but im not gonna waste my time beyond that. its all explainable from visual and audible cues... even w/o hearing match comms which could have made the situation more obvious.
starting @ 11000, grain tosses a nade from sewers/front mag towards confused whose behind charger/crossbow room. nade doesnt kill confused. grain continues around front charger and lobs barrel (11344) at top charger. clearly thinking confused is still in that area. grain continues down hall towards back mag, takes 2 obvious mag shots to kill zman. at 11512, audible nade from right, grain turns right 180 degrees back towards front charger area while moving backwards (thinking confused may drop down behind him from top charger with nade). pb takes shotty blast from from back mag towards confused in the behind charger area (clearly comms could have confirmed to grain confused was still up there, but the shotty blast was enough of a cue). as grain continues backwards facing behind charger, he takes a mag shot which does not kill confused.
starting @ 20281, there is an audible battle between pb and zman. grain is at ramp/redroom sweeping and looking when confused becomes vissible in front charger area (right of screen). at 20388, pb is killed by zman with smg nade which is easily heard (and easily commed location). as grain turns from redroom to ramp, zman becomes visible in far right screen leaving control via bridge. grain snap shoots crossbow for kill.
starting at 28000, audible that someone is charging. grain moves towards back shotty and kills zman (obviously not the one charging). grain continues towards back mag. sweeps view left down hall towards font charger, sweeps further left back towards back shotty, audible nade from right... and grain sweeps view back to the right as confused becomes visible with a cooked nade. nice snap shot with crossbow for a kill.
then at tick 30000, grain gets killed? wtf is there to contend? so i stopped taking notes and watched the 48500-49000. again, its all rather easily explainable to visible and audible cues.
just went through grains demo. plenty of ineffective spam along with explainable kills. the only thing changed in my opinion is a stronger belief no aimbot was used. difficult to judge from the stv, but grains demo makes it easier. plenty of missed shots.
i didnt review the demo's with r_drawothermodels on. to me, if its explainable just watching in default mode, why use r_drawothermodels.
i would suggest watching w/o r_drawothermodels the first time. i may try r_drawothermodels tonight and review it again but i dont think it will change my opinion tbh.
edit...
while reviewing the tics confused supplied, i took notes using 3 categories:
audible cues
visual cues
unknown
i didnt see any unknown cues. but thats just my opinion.
wow, that r_drawothermodels 2 is pretty cool. but to me, it makes all the players look suspicious throughout the match. it seems like using a wiretap to look for probable cause, when all you have is a gut suspicion.
tic 13300... w/o the models on, it looks like crossbow spam that is very common. people also orb spam that very same path. with models on, u can see that he has the crossbow out and ready to shoot before the combine model becomes visible. doesnt change my opinion. looks like spam to me.
tic 20700... ive addressed this one before. w/o models on, audible nade cook from right just as NG is moving into back mag. he takes a last second shot toward the nade sound before the bars block the shot. with models on, it does look suspicious and for some reason i cant hear the nade cook as well. but i think i hear a spawn instead. if we had confused and z's demo's, i could confirm that. which again would lead me to believe it was two audible cues.
tic 35750... w/o models on, it looks like nade spam towards the ramp that was lucky. with models on, it looks suspicious, but... NG has primed and cooked the nade before the combine model becomes visible at 35859. that reinforces to me that he was spamming the nade and got lucky.
tic 68800... w/o models on, NG kills z under red room. goes up the hill, up pipes, into bathroom. audible spawn from right. NG launches barrel towards back shotty (ledge spawn), goes out onto the bridge and launches a cooked nade towards back shotty again. with models on, it would seem to disprove a wall hack. the combine model spawns in sewers and is clearly visible near stairs while NG appears to be attacking back shotty (ledge spawn) area.
nino, i have no problem with sharing what ive written here in this thread whenever you decide to rule on this. im sure i'll be ridiculed for my opinions, based on being unskilled and an admin noob. but i dont really care. its my opinion and i think i've justified it fairly.
i dont remember seeing a crash on the stv demo's, but i didnt specifically look for one. i watched the actual match on stv and remember chat at the beginning of round 2 asking NG what he did between rounds. seems like NG said he crashed, and Z or Confused were like... mhmmm, sure. if its noticeable at all, it may be in the chat at the beginning of round 2.
you know, demo's can be a strange animal sometimes. the first night i watched that particular tic from grains personal demo, i could actually see the combines full body with the cooked nade come into view just as grain shot. i watched, listened and replayed that a half dozen times or more.
the next night i watched it with r_drawothermodels 2, and the combine model never makes it into the final kill view. even after changing back to r_drawothermodels 1, the combine never entered grains view... it was a blind shot.
