Killbox/Low Gravity Division for Cal **TENTATIVE**

Walking Target wrote:My recommendation in the past was to contact the author or the administration of the clan behind each killbox you intend to use and ask them what the map was designed for.

Forcing all killboxes to play at the same settings is going to cause problems, as well as benefit those who run those settings as stock IMO. If it were me, I would run a variety of diverse maps and settings and give players from all clans the chance to play in their home territory as well as the territory of others clans.

Shinigami wrote:I posted in the community group for everyone to get in here and bid their choices and why they feel those settings work, so hopefully we will get much more input in here, realistically even if it is decided that a killbox/low grav division will happen, it will not happen right away and when it does happen we better have our research done so we can do justice to this division. A lot needs to be discussed, hopefully we get a bigger community involvement with the idea that this division has not been entirely shut down. Also for other mods, if their hope is EVER to have a cal division they will need something to follow as what to do or not do to make it happen.

MaX clan favors about 100 gravity and as much as I love floating around, most of the time I do spend my killbow/low grav at EYE/KBH/TSGK, velocity and gravity are simply much better for movement, velocity makes a HUGE difference imo, however doesn't matter what you do if you gravity is too low and your stuck in the ceiling 350-375, I think sounds reasonable

POMP

.conflict wrote:400

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:w/e setting HCC uses on their bunker rotation server is my vote. to me thats the perfect low grav. BUT to ppl who play a lot of low grav, thats prolly too high

Walking Target wrote:My recommendation in the past was to contact the author or the administration of the clan behind each killbox you intend to use and ask them what the map was designed for.

Forcing all killboxes to play at the same settings is going to cause problems, as well as benefit those who run those settings as stock IMO. If it were me, I would run a variety of diverse maps and settings and give players from all clans the chance to play in their home territory as well as the territory of others clans.

Paradox wrote:Ok Fearsome, since I am probably one of the few people that actually understood WTF you are talking about, let me break out and dust off my Stats book and Ill get back to you on that one......

lead wrote:

Paradox wrote:Ok Fearsome, since I am probably one of the few people that actually understood WTF you are talking about, let me break out and dust off my Stats book and Ill get back to you on that one......

what she said

Walking Target wrote:

lead wrote:

Paradox wrote:Ok Fearsome, since I am probably one of the few people that actually understood WTF you are talking about, let me break out and dust off my Stats book and Ill get back to you on that one......

what she said

Fixed ^

the_big_cheese wrote:

Walking Target wrote:My recommendation in the past was to contact the author or the administration of the clan behind each killbox you intend to use and ask them what the map was designed for.

Forcing all killboxes to play at the same settings is going to cause problems, as well as benefit those who run those settings as stock IMO. If it were me, I would run a variety of diverse maps and settings and give players from all clans the chance to play in their home territory as well as the territory of others clans.

^That

Each team chooses 1 home map + the settings for that map pre-season. Then every week they get to play on THEIR server with THEIR map, and the same for their opponent. NO highest score at the end of two rounds to determine the winner. No tiebreakers. Will result in a lot of ties, but who cares? Everyone has fun playing on their own turf, and when someone wins it actually means something.

What you guys are trying to do is create stock settings for killbox. Not gonna happen.

ninojman wrote:

the_big_cheese wrote:

Walking Target wrote:My recommendation in the past was to contact the author or the administration of the clan behind each killbox you intend to use and ask them what the map was designed for.

Forcing all killboxes to play at the same settings is going to cause problems, as well as benefit those who run those settings as stock IMO. If it were me, I would run a variety of diverse maps and settings and give players from all clans the chance to play in their home territory as well as the territory of others clans.

^That

Each team chooses 1 home map + the settings for that map pre-season. Then every week they get to play on THEIR server with THEIR map, and the same for their opponent. NO highest score at the end of two rounds to determine the winner. No tiebreakers. Will result in a lot of ties, but who cares? Everyone has fun playing on their own turf, and when someone wins it actually means something.

What you guys are trying to do is create stock settings for killbox. Not gonna happen.

but then what settings for the tie breaker?

Nutri-Grain wrote:killbox = good mag = me = u all gon b deadedz

doubt this division will take off...not trying to be a downer, that's just my opinion.

ninojman wrote:

the_big_cheese wrote:

Walking Target wrote:My recommendation in the past was to contact the author or the administration of the clan behind each killbox you intend to use and ask them what the map was designed for.

Forcing all killboxes to play at the same settings is going to cause problems, as well as benefit those who run those settings as stock IMO. If it were me, I would run a variety of diverse maps and settings and give players from all clans the chance to play in their home territory as well as the territory of others clans.

^That

Each team chooses 1 home map + the settings for that map pre-season. Then every week they get to play on THEIR server with THEIR map, and the same for their opponent. NO highest score at the end of two rounds to determine the winner. No tiebreakers. Will result in a lot of ties, but who cares? Everyone has fun playing on their own turf, and when someone wins it actually means something.

What you guys are trying to do is create stock settings for killbox. Not gonna happen.

but then what settings for the tie breaker?

Paradox wrote:OK well if you want to see this happen, someone from the Killbox community, ie in a Killbox clan/plays killbox all the time, that is over 18 needs to get into IRC and talk to Fearsome ASAP.

This will not happen until that happens.
Dont shoot the messenger.

Paradox wrote:OK well if you want to see this happen, someone from the Killbox community, ie in a Killbox clan/plays killbox all the time, that is over 18 needs to get into IRC and talk to Fearsome ASAP.

This will not happen until that happens.
Dont shoot the messenger.

didn't pump, cellar and a few others apply?

Paradox wrote:OK well if you want to see this happen, someone from the Killbox community, ie in a Killbox clan/plays killbox all the time, that is over 18 needs to get into IRC and talk to Fearsome ASAP.

This will not happen until that happens.




Dont shoot the messenger.

Shinigami wrote:Ok, I have a few questions before I go talk to Mr Fearsome in IRC.

1.- who has or who would be interested in being admin, now this is a serious commitment so don't jump in unless you have the time. [I don't make decisions, just asking]

2.- Who would be willing to help map out the rules and settings in the begining, but can't comit past that. [again..I don't make decisions, just asking]

3.- Who is interested in competing in this Division?

4.- What clan if any do you represent?

Thanks, numbers, data and charts help make a better argument so please answer short and sweet.

Thank you!

POMP

badinfluence wrote:

Shinigami wrote:Ok, I have a few questions before I go talk to Mr Fearsome in IRC.

1.- who has or who would be interested in being admin, now this is a serious commitment so don't jump in unless you have the time. [I don't make decisions, just asking]

2.- Who would be willing to help map out the rules and settings in the begining, but can't comit past that. [again..I don't make decisions, just asking]

3.- Who is interested in competing in this Division?

4.- What clan if any do you represent?

Thanks, numbers, data and charts help make a better argument so please answer short and sweet.

Thank you!

POMP

1. No.
2. No.
3. I am.
4. Hell's Elite.

Shinigami wrote: I have just finished a 1000 mile trek across country BY myself

I will go talk to Fearsome, lets just hope he has a more open mind and is not so quick to dismiss people.

Just out of curiosity, Paradox what qualifications did you have to become Cal admin for the regular league?

Keeper wrote:I don't think I would play in anything over a 2v2 in a killbox.

Seems excessive to me...but others might like it.

L2k wrote: and yes kbh 2 is a must

badinfluence wrote:I would only want to compete in a 1v1. There is no need for team work in a killbox so there is no need for teams.

Shinigami wrote: Poss 1v1:
1. L2K
2. Old time no. 7
3. Bad Influence
4. Pure Chaos
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Keeper wrote:I've redone kbh_2 to be kbh_2p to work on pure2 servers. That should be the version we use.

Keeper wrote:http://gameserver.kbhclan.com/maps/dm_k ... kbh_2p.bsp

snipeIT wrote:You can add me down for the 1v1 section. (possibly for 3v3 too, if i can get master of puppets, redeyez or kandyman to commit)

I recommend we use all stock settings for everything else other than gravity. It would become too tedious and unnecessary having players to deal with other rates and settings (ie. air accelerate)

As far as maps go, I still feel that kbh_2 is the only killbox worth playing/mentioning.

Paradox wrote:Euro players can play in CAL if they choose to, but they must play on a U.S. server. Since most clans/teams have servers in the central U.S. (Dallas, Chicago, St. Louis to name some), pings could be pretty high. That said we played a bunch of guys from the UK on our server recently and they were a tough match for us. However I am sure they would not have faired as well against FlaS, VDuS or $W.

snipeIT wrote:
As far as maps go, I still feel that kbh_2 is the only killbox worth playing/mentioning.

Shinigami wrote: * Our changes may me minimum if any then as far as what the player set up can be same with the rules?

Shinigami wrote:So, we will need to send a "standard" for the league for SERVER settings but use the settings meant for the maps, am I correct? or do I need more coffee??


POMP

Shinigami wrote: Breathe POMP breathe..!!

Poss Teams:
1- [EYE]
2- {MaX}
3- Hells Elite
4- Keeper and a friend
5- [MF] or Veracity
6- XLD
7- Six
8- The Defectors
9- Xcess
10- Elite

L2k wrote:The current cal cfg allows for a "range" of client settings to be adjusted and in some cases forces a few important ones. This should be fine for the killbox league as well. When it comes to server settings based on the map there may be some variances in preference but I would think the only thing we really need to worry about is gravity, things like air accelerate, friction, max speed and such do not really need to vary from stock default settings IMO.

Now I understand that some clans do run modified values of the aforementioned settings and are used to playing that way, but in order to simplify things to some extent wouldn't it make more sense to just only change gravity if it a common value cant be agreed upon?

After taking a look at the suggested map list so far I can't see why any of the maps wouldn't work fine with a gravity of 375 or 400. I would think it would be of some benefit to again just agree on a common setting, put that setting in the cal cfg and go with a standardized cfg which works for all maps in the league.

By doing this you are going to eliminate alot of time being wasted setting up the match and verifying settings ect., eliminate potential disputes after the fact, and overall give players a "base" setting to get used to for competitive play.

Shinigami wrote:So, we will need to send a "standard" for the league for SERVER settings but use the settings meant for the maps, am I correct? or do I need more coffee??


POMP

L2k wrote:The current cal cfg allows for a "range" of client settings to be adjusted and in some cases forces a few important ones. This should be fine for the killbox league as well. When it comes to server settings based on the map there may be some variances in preference but I would think the only thing we really need to worry about is gravity, things like air accelerate, friction, max speed and such do not really need to vary from stock default settings IMO.

Now I understand that some clans do run modified values of the aforementioned settings and are used to playing that way, but in order to simplify things to some extent wouldn't it make more sense to just only change gravity if it a common value cant be agreed upon?

[EYE] Valar wrote:

L2k wrote:The current cal cfg allows for a "range" of client settings to be adjusted and in some cases forces a few important ones. This should be fine for the killbox league as well. When it comes to server settings based on the map there may be some variances in preference but I would think the only thing we really need to worry about is gravity, things like air accelerate, friction, max speed and such do not really need to vary from stock default settings IMO.

Now I understand that some clans do run modified values of the aforementioned settings and are used to playing that way, but in order to simplify things to some extent wouldn't it make more sense to just only change gravity if it a common value cant be agreed upon?

After taking a look at the suggested map list so far I can't see why any of the maps wouldn't work fine with a gravity of 375 or 400. I would think it would be of some benefit to again just agree on a common setting, put that setting in the cal cfg and go with a standardized cfg which works for all maps in the league.

By doing this you are going to eliminate alot of time being wasted setting up the match and verifying settings ect., eliminate potential disputes after the fact, and overall give players a "base" setting to get used to for competitive play.

why the need to simplify something that is so simply to do in the first place. i think seriously all this debate about the different settings is (like always) the only thing that's compilcated. map settings can be embedded into the map without any further messing around from the server.cfg, admin, anyone's side.
leave this alone already and let people play the way they want in a tournament they want to participate in for their own enjoyment. enough red tape.

And in practice :

Have the server.cfg set to 375 grav and leave the rest pure2.
Map will be remade for CAL (like so many have until now for stock style) with the server cvars triggered by a point_server_command. this is as simple as adding a freaking texture or removing a spawn point.
if a mapper doesn't know how to do it - please let me know and i'l post a link to download a prefab.

BuckyKatt wrote:What I will add is that anything we do needs to be as simple as it is currently in CAL. You run a single config (either 1v1 or teams), all the settings are configured, all plugins are disabled, you get the nice count down, and then the game starts. We do not need to have a lot of fiddling with settings before a match can start.

Now, if these values can be embedded in the maps and are enforced on a mp_restartgame then I think we could potentially use different settings per map. However I can see a potential for abuse if a mp_restartgame does not enforce the values embedded in the map. In particular I might change the grav to something slightly higher or lower the accelerate so it more closes matches what I am used to. It would then be incumbent upon my opponent to both know and check that the map settings had not be adjusted.

L2k wrote:

BuckyKatt wrote:What I will add is that anything we do needs to be as simple as it is currently in CAL. You run a single config (either 1v1 or teams), all the settings are configured, all plugins are disabled, you get the nice count down, and then the game starts. We do not need to have a lot of fiddling with settings before a match can start.

Now, if these values can be embedded in the maps and are enforced on a mp_restartgame then I think we could potentially use different settings per map. However I can see a potential for abuse if a mp_restartgame does not enforce the values embedded in the map. In particular I might change the grav to something slightly higher or lower the accelerate so it more closes matches what I am used to. It would then be incumbent upon my opponent to both know and check that the map settings had not be adjusted.

These were exactly my thoughts, and coming from previous cal admin experience even though it may seem to some people that all this is not that complicated, you need to keep in mind that some players are not that server savy and as much as possible you need to keep things simple. Otherwise there are just too many delays and issues that come up before and after matches are played. Just as BuckyKatt said it really does need to be as simple as just exec the cal cfg.

Now I know in the past one of the things that prevented this from happening was that people could not agree on settings ect. I think there just needs to be some compromise and things need to be agreed upon quickly or it could cause problems again.

I guess the big question is Valar are you volunteering to redo all the maps?

Fearsome* wrote:I think the usual (leet/stock/cal) players should stay out of this (you guys know who you are) the main complaint I recieved in CTF and previous KB discussions is we made it to much like CAL or we forced our ideals upon them. Obviously experienced league players know that a league should be standardized for fair competition. But if thats not what KB players want then just let them run it the way they see fit and do not intervene. I guess I don't mind if you are presenting questions as food for thought but I think you should stay away from trying to be a forger of the leagues rules.

badinfluence wrote:I guess you can count me in for a committee if you so desire. I'll go around looking for good killbox maps tonight when I get home.

Shinigami wrote:Pfft.. is what I said before .. we know first time wont be right.. just have patience and stick around because this is how the process work.


Ok, kyle added to 1v1 .. anyone else?

POMP

{MaX}Fragganator wrote:You can count me in for 1v1 2v2 3v3 either . Like Pomp said I will probably get my ass handed to me in 1v1 but its still soundsl ike fun. BTW Pomp who is this Stell person in your comitee LOL.

Darkology wrote:Whats the grav, air acell, etc gonna be?

ninojman wrote:dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3
dm_domebox_tsgk

are my favorites

.conflict wrote:

ninojman wrote:dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3

dm_domebox_tsgk


are my favorites

ninojman wrote:

.conflict wrote:

ninojman wrote:dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3

dm_domebox_tsgk


are my favorites

Shinigami wrote:How would the variation work as far as making it easier for the server owners?
If we start and A or B, wouldn't that make it more work?

Pomp



1- [EYE]
2- {MaX}
3- Hells Elite
4- Keeper and a friend
5- [MF] or Veracity
6- XLD
7- Six
8-The Defectors
9- Xcess
10-

Poss 1v1:
1. L2K
2. Old time no. 7
3. Bad Influence
4. Pure Chaos
5. Bucky Kat
6. Stell
7. Snipe It
8. POMP [get my butt kicked but what the hey]
9. Kyle
10. Ownege
11. Bad influence
12. Fragganator
13.

Commitee:
1. Valar
2. Stell
3. Keeper
4.Conflict
5. Paradox [Cal advisor]

Maps.
1.dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4
2.dm_Valar
3.dm_killbox_kbh2
4.dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3
5.dm_domebox_tsgk

badinfluence wrote:

badinfluence wrote:I guess you can count me in for a committee if you so desire. I'll go around looking for good killbox maps tonight when I get home.

This.

Shinigami wrote:How would the variation work as far as making it easier for the server owners?

Shinigami wrote:If we start and A or B, wouldn't that make it more work?

[EYE] Valar wrote:

Darkology wrote:Whats the grav, air acell, etc gonna be?

..we can use several variations (when relevant of course):

1.

sv_gravity 375
sv_accelerate 50
sv_airaccelerate 1000
sv_friction 3

2.

sv_gravity 375
sv_accelerate 50
sv_airaccelerate 150
sv_friction 3

3.

sv_gravity 375
sv_accelerate 20
sv_airaccelerate 20
sv_friction 3

etc etc . . .

another topic we should discuss is A and B levels. i'm seeing a well number of high level players coming in and this is super great but this is also going to be pwnage simply put. doing A and B level will be a lot more satisfying to many many people and will allow them to take part and enjoy playing some DM.

val

[EYE] Valar wrote: having a point_server_command run at MapSpawn overrides everything and any server (cfg / autoexec) settings. it cannot be affected by mp_restartgame or any cvar you run in a match. be it CAL or not.
Again, the settings will apear with the map exactly the same way as any other component in the map.

Paradox wrote:I believe each of these would need a seperate server config unless the map settings override the server config (?) and if so, the team would have to know which one to run when, could get complicated.

Shinigami wrote:How can we test the Vals idea?

L2k wrote:Might be getting ahead of the game but is air humping going to be allowed?

If there is a vote I'd vote no.

Maybe something for the committee to kick around.

Shinigami wrote:
Maps.
1.dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4
2.dm_Valar
3.dm_killbox_kbh2
4.dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3
5.dm_domebox_tsgk

Shinigami wrote:Well, in reference to air humping, I am thinking it's probably up there with bhopping for reg grav if you think about it, we will discuss it at the committee although personally as much as I hate it do not see why it would not be allowed.

BuckyKatt wrote:

Shinigami wrote:Well, in reference to air humping, I am thinking it's probably up there with bhopping for reg grav if you think about it, we will discuss it at the committee although personally as much as I hate it do not see why it would not be allowed.

I don't really see air humping as analogous to bhopping. Bhopping is first and foremost a means of moving quickly and silently (for gathering and such). Air humping exists solely so that a players hit boxes are erratic.

My leanings are with Punk.

[EYE] Valar wrote:

Shinigami wrote:
Maps.
1.dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4
2.dm_Valar
3.dm_killbox_kbh2
4.dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3
5.dm_domebox_tsgk

we need to have a vote for maps.

[EYE] Valar wrote:

Shinigami wrote:
Maps.
1.dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4
2.dm_Valar
3.dm_killbox_kbh2
4.dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3
5.dm_domebox_tsgk

we need to have a vote for maps.

Zman42 wrote:wow wtf.... tapping crouch many times is illegal? ok how about tapping crouch twice in a row? or once? so ducking is legal but ducking twice isnt? what about if your on the ground? ok how about jumping? :disgusted:

ninojman wrote:I am guessing Zman has never seen it.......

ninojman wrote:Lol best bet would be to really make an effort to fix the animations bug for duck crouch....

L2k wrote:yeah Im guessing since zman doesnt really play killboxes much if at all he really hasn't seen it to the extent I have. I was afraid of what kind of debate this might spark, but its one that I thought was of valid concern. Crouching in the air is one thing and is totally acceptable but having macros which spam 50 crouch inputs so your hitbox's get screwed up is another. It's quite easy to see when someone is doing it and yes can also be done just by tapping the crouch key repeatedly. Theres no doubt that air humping is a hitbox exploit and can make shots not register at all.

Being that in the regular divisions it is not allowed to use other known exploits such as phys lock, weapon erase, and using out of bounds areas in certain maps that were not clipped properly, I don't see why this couldn't be a rule for killbox. It's been quite clear that due to these rules, these exploits have not been a issue as people just don't do it, so enforcement has not been hard at all.

I think if it were to be decided that it was not going to be allowed, yet a player was doing it in a match then it would just be a matter of one player stating in game chat that air humping is not allowed and please stop. If the other player continues to do it the demo could be reviewed and if it were determined that it was excessively done the match could be overturned.

Its not like air humping is something that accidentally happens, it's done intentionally and very easy to spot. Ive played a few hundred hours of killbox now and against some of the best killbox players, what I've seen is that the best players do not do it because they know its a cheap exploit and they don't like it when players do it to them. It's the low and mid skilled players that tend to do it to compensate for their lack of aim and they think it's perfectly acceptable.

ninojman wrote:
what is that new killbox you made valar? the one you had me come to not to long ago?

It looked like a church kinda with the paned glass....i think

Seagull wrote:far too hard to enforce to be made illegal

L2k wrote:but having macros which spam 50 crouch inputs so your hitbox's get screwed up is another. It's quite easy to see when someone is doing it and yes can also be done just by tapping the crouch key repeatedly.

Fearsome* wrote: Second having visited alot of killboxes I can say for sure that the vast majority of air humpers are the better / competitive guys

Nutri-Grain wrote:air humping looks hilarious and pisses everyone off, but it really isn't that hard to kill someone while they're doing it :/

L2k wrote:

Fearsome* wrote: Second having visited alot of killboxes I can say for sure that the vast majority of air humpers are the better / competitive guys

I couldn't disagree with this statement more.

I know who all of the top killbox players are atm, play with them on a regular basis and none of them do it.

Since the cal season ended I've logged some 70 hrs and 14,000 + frags in KBH alone and a uncounted amount in other killboxes, so I think I could add some input even though I do play in the regular league too.

Shinigami wrote:Airhumping- Personally, I like to allow it at least for the first season see if it is a problem in any way, it may not be. The league needs as many people to join as it can to be successful, I do not want to discourage anyone from joining.

Ghost Dog_TSGK wrote:Air humping is the gayest, lamest most shittiest shit I've ever seen all my years of gaming.

It's easy to see too not that hard to enforce thanks to our glitched animations.

Darkology wrote:Please dont use modified air_acceleration, its just lame, any one can move fine with default air acceleration in grav as low as 400.

If people say air humping is cheap cause it is easy to do then so is air control if you have air acceleration set a lot above default.

Imo the league should have the same settings as kbh servers (63.210.145.224:27015)

I doubt pro killbox people will play if the air acceleration, friction, acceleration are set above default.

Darkology wrote:I doubt pro killbox people will play if the air acceleration, friction, acceleration are set above default.

.conflict wrote:I love playing some killbox but air accel/friction kills it for me

Some people like it tho

.conflict wrote:I love playing some killbox but air accel/friction kills it for me

Some people like it tho

Keeper wrote:Well, again, I wouldn't play in anything over a 2v2, so if it is going to be a 3v3 then I will help in some other fashion.

Nutri-Grain wrote:it'll just end up being a grav nade fest.

Shinigami wrote:Yeah shunny in fact out 1v1 looks more happening than our 3v3, I really like to get more clans in here who play this regularly, they do not come into the why regularly most of them so we need to lure them in

Darkology, surprises me that an ex MaX member would want to keep things so standard, remember this is not another league for the leet to pwn, this is a league of their own!

Let's get the word out there pleaz!!!

POMP


Pos 3v3:
1- [EYE]
2- {MaX}
3- Hells Elite
4- Keeper and a friend
5- [MF] or Veracity
6- XLD
7- Six
8-The Defectors
9- Xcess
10-

Poss 1v1:
1. L2K
2. Old time no. 7
3. Bad Influence
4. Pure Chaos
5. Bucky Kat
6. Stell
7. Snipe It
8. Ownege
9. Kyle
10. Bad influence
11. Darkology
12. Fragganator
13. ShunnyBoy

Keeper wrote:

Nutri-Grain wrote:it'll just end up being a grav nade fest.

ding ding .... yup

L2k wrote:I think you might be surprised how many people actually do sign up. I have heard alot of people talking about competing in the KB league in game just because they have not come here to post my be misleading.

1. [EYE]
2. {MaX}
3. Hells Elite
4. Elite
5. [MF] or Veracity
6. XLD
7. Six
8. The Defectors
9. Xcess
10. Amclint and Friends [SkulShock]
11. 5150

1. L2K
2. Old time no. 7
3. Bad Influence
4. Pure Chaos
5. Bucky Kat
6. Stell
7. Snipe It
8. Ownege
9. Kyle
10. Bad influence
11. Darkology
12. Fragganator
13. ShunnyBoy
14. Scott
15. AmClint
16. Nutrigrain
17. The Sparky
18. Scott
    19. Tazzer

Blasphemy wrote:I don't see why you just don't incorporate the 1v1 we have right now with the killbox 1v1, i think the big mistake the CAL admins did in trying to get killbox players to join CAL 1v1 prior seasons, was that there was only 1 killlbox map available that i forget either ko or fear made and no other killbox map besides that one, anyways i just don't see why this season you let killbox players vote in some killbox maps and incorporate it into this seasons CAL 1v1.

{MaX}Fragganator wrote: This league is supposed to be for low grav players. So I do not understand why there are so many high grav people taking part and trying to give there opinion on how are settings will not work. You all have you own leagu already. Let our admins run this one our way.

{MaX}Fragganator wrote:And while I am very interested I have no plan of takinga day off of work to play a league match. So i am interested in when/where this all takes place.

{MaX}Fragganator wrote:Well couple thought on my part..
This league is supposed to be for low grav players. So I do not understand why there are so many high grav people taking part and trying to give there opinion on how are settings will not work. You all have you own leagu already. Let our admins run this one our way.

Shinigami wrote:.. well I am trying to get myself to make that killbox testing server..
POMP [/color]

badinfluence wrote:The only reason high grav people are taking part is because, from what I've seen on this forum, you guys aren't participating very much.

BuckyKatt wrote: The way it typically works is that your have a set match time. Before that match time occurs you are required to make contact with your opponent(s) through a system called MatchComm (on the CAL site). You arrange a time to play the match that works for everyone if the default time isn't good. You have a week to get your match played before an admin comes in and marks both teams for a forfeit. In actual practice if you are showing that you are trying to work out the match then most admins let you go for much longer (I have played matches as much as four weeks late).

Typically there is a 2 week preseason, a 8 week regular season, and a 3 week post season. I believe you are scored as follows: 3 points for a win, 2 for a loss, 1 for a forfeit win, and 0 for a forfeit loss. The preseason matches don't count for place. After the 8 week season the top 8 teams based upon points play in the post season.

Traditionally in 1v1 each player picks a map. If after the 2 games you have a tie (both players each won a map) then you play a 3rd game that is on the map the admins picked for that week. In tdm you play 2 matches on the map the admins picked for that week, total the scores from both games, and the team with the largest score wins.

Of course all this could be changed for this league, but that is the way it as been done in the past for CAL.

[KBH]Tazzer wrote:hey Pomp gots a question???

can admins actively play in the league?

Keep and i were just discussing this

[KBH]Tazzer wrote:hey Pomp gots a question???

can admins actively play in the league?

Keep and i were just discussing this


let me know please thanks in advance!




Tazzer



peace

Shinigami wrote:Tazzer let me add you to the committee, we will doing an overview of the stuff we are ready to present to Mr Fearsome, Bucky you want in as well?

L2k wrote:maplist is looking really good, dont forget you will have to narrow it down to 8 though.

[KBH]Tazzer wrote:also i just thought of something, from playing in clan matches
previously...the confounded suit/uniforms is there a need for discussion?

BuckyKatt wrote:All matches are played on sv_pure 2 servers so only the default models are allowed (no bright skins and such).

You are expected to take screen shots of the status command in console as well as the sv_pure of the server. You also take screen shots of your opponents. This serves as proof that everything was set up according to the rules.

badinfluence wrote:I thought you take screenshots of your opponents to show that you do not have any bright models.

L2k wrote:You are also supposed to screenshot the console to show server pure status as well as the steam ids ect.

[EYE] Valar wrote:in case where there is shortage of admins for this league i suggest we start with a 2v2. this will bring the most participants to the league and help it kick off.
eventhough the nice discussion and interest this seems to bring i still believe we should play safe and move slow.
...then, given the success (?) of the first season we can learn from mistakes, expand, etc...

val

badinfluence wrote:1v1 is needed.

I rather do 2v2.

[EYE] Valar wrote:this league running only 1v1 division will be dominated by high grav players. it will NOT open the door for new ppl and will NOT make our atempt of ever merging the different fractions of this community a reality. the killbox league was not meant as pwnage playgound for bunnyhoppers. period.
the whole point is being missed. again.

BuckyKatt wrote:

[EYE] Valar wrote:this league running only 1v1 division will be dominated by high grav players. it will NOT open the door for new ppl and will NOT make our atempt of ever merging the different fractions of this community a reality. the killbox league was not meant as pwnage playgound for bunnyhoppers. period.
the whole point is being missed. again.

You keep making this point. I suspect what you will find is that if the leet players who bunnyhop decide that they want to play the lg kb league that there will be little you can do to stop them from dominating (whether you make it 1v1, 2v2, or 3v3 and irrespective of the gravity you set). Put simply, and this is key, for most of those players it isn't a mastery of a single style of play (regular grav stock) but rather mastery of the game itself. Further they have many seasons of league play under their belt so they are already experienced in playing as a cohesive unit. The real question is whether the standard grav guys are going to be willing to play an entire season of low grav killbox. My own guess is that the majority of them will not.

Shinigami wrote:To clarify I am not LEAVING, I am taking step back, Tazzer will be the front man, he is cuter ;)POMP

[EYE] Valar wrote:this league running only 1v1 division

[EYE] Valar wrote: will be dominated by high grav players. it will NOT open the door for new ppl and will NOT make our atempt of ever merging the different fractions of this community a reality. the killbox league was not meant as pwnage playgound for bunnyhoppers. period.
the whole point is being missed. again.

[EYE] Valar wrote:i, we are trying to see a league that is for killboxers. made by killboxers. desigened for killboxers.

BuckyKatt wrote:Incidentally, I would not be in favor of such a rule... but that is because I would like to participate in both standard and lg kb 1v1.

Shinigami wrote: and it will discourage the leet Dalai Lama from trying to PWN us

Shinigami wrote:can we test those setting please on Sunday

Da1 wrote:So you are saying leets cant play in this league??? I dont get it.

Here is what we have waiting to be set in stone after a final test:
sv_gravity 350
sv_airaccellerate 50
Everything else STOCK

Da1 wrote:So you are saying leets cant play in this league??? I dont get it.

Zman42 wrote:

Da1 wrote:So you are saying leets cant play in this league??? I dont get it.

so what is a leet anyway? do they grow on trees or in the ground?

Keeper wrote:Wanted to ask....

Can somebody be on two teams? Is that a possibility? I don't mean primary player on both teams, maybe even a backup on both teams.

Or is this against the rules normally?

[EYE] Valar wrote:yeah man. ip: 8.2.120.232:27015
pswd will be given via Friends

val

[EYE] Valar wrote:any suggestions from Killboxers are welcome.

[EYE] Valar wrote:Okay. we've got the tentative (FOR NOW!!!) maps on
server ip: 8.2.120.232:27015 [EYE]
server name: ~CAL Killbox League Committee Maps~

maps list:

dm_[tsf]_scottish_memorial_b4
dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4
dm_killbox_kbh_2
dm_valar
dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3
dm_gfys_
dm_domebox_tsgk
dm_kbi
dm_killbox_mover_kbh_b2
dm_bloodsuckers_arena
dm_killbox_eye1
dm_killsphere_v8
dm_killbox_or_be_killed_final
dm_killbox_dominator

any suggestions from Killboxers are welcome. post here, pm me here or in steam or pomp or to tazzer.

Thanks to everyone who came in and spent the time and energy for this. real group effort which is very nice.

val

BuckyKatt wrote:... keep in mind that plugins are not allowed in CAL.

{MaX}Steell wrote:For those of you interested, the settings we have decided on are:

sv_gravity 350
sv_airaccellerate 50
sv_accellerate 20
sv_friction 3

Everything else will be kept stock. These settings are 99% in stone and, as such, will probably not change.

Shinigami wrote:We are a tight group
if you think oh hell I will just show up the day of, think again. remember NO PLUGINS mean no spawn protection, so if you never played Cal, you are for a rude awakening as you have to move real fast from your spawn area to be able to stay alive. time will fly by, no chance to "warm up" or get your game on... you need to be fast and furious right off the bat! FUN!!!

Fearsome* wrote:You got a whole forum for yourself break into into different threads.