Let's pick 10 maps!!

Shinigami

2008-10-28 05:41:36

Ok we have our map choices, pick 10 and we will keep the winahz!

[EYE] Valar

2008-10-28 05:48:19

I want to note something about maps.
One of the maps on the list is a perfect example for a map that is anything but a competitive map; the dm_killsphere.
Even though its really a beautiful map I don’t see how such an enormous map can be played other than on a 32 server pub. let alone a competition.

So please, everyone, proposing maps to the list please bare in mind...we need a mid to large sized boxes. Not a universe. And keep minding FPS. Killsphere has a very low FPS from any point in the map. Its unplayable in a competition.

The maps as they change will rotate on my server as note before so anyone can come in and have a taste. ip: 8.2.120.232:27015

val

Shinigami

2008-10-28 05:52:00

just edited the maplist

old time no.7

2008-10-28 20:54:31

[EYE] Valar wrote: So please, everyone, proposing maps to the list please bare in mind...we need a mid to large sized boxes. Not a universe. And keep minding FPS. Killsphere has a very low FPS from any point in the map. Its unplayable in a competition.

val

in keeping with this line of thought, i get really shitty fps on doughnut box. so many props, i am teh lag

[KBH]AuntJemina

2008-10-28 20:59:00

I really think futurist would be a great map for a 2v2 or 3v3, very nice map.....

Shinigami

2008-10-29 05:35:54

Futurist was recommend I agree great map but has way to many variables for a 1v1 or 2v2, when we chose this list was basically on simpler maps with not to much going on underneath or about that is out of site or you could spend a whole match trying to find each other or trying to find the other team, maybe for next season when we hope for larger groups?

Mast3r=Pwnt

2008-10-29 07:27:33

lulz at AJ's Avatar

I'm strongly against some of the cheesy little gimmicks you can find in some killboxes like extensive secret walls/rooms and that sorta thing
I dunno if i've ever played on futurist, anyone gotta map file with my name on it

Walking Target

2008-10-29 07:52:58

dm_skilla?

BuckyKatt

2008-10-29 16:52:44

Mast3r=Pwnt wrote:I'm strongly against some of the cheesy little gimmicks you can find in some killboxes like extensive secret walls/rooms and that sorta thing

badinfluence

2008-10-29 17:35:20

BuckyKatt wrote:
Mast3r=Pwnt wrote:I'm strongly against some of the cheesy little gimmicks you can find in some killboxes like extensive secret walls/rooms and that sorta thing

This.

[MB]Brunt

2008-10-29 18:32:21

how do i submitt maps for this

snipeIT

2008-10-29 19:14:53

Walking Target wrote:dm_skilla?

I lost both the .bsp and the .vmf for that.

The unique aspect of that map was that it took place "vertically". So the higher you got, the more advantage you had.

Nevertheless, good to see someone who remembered it!

Walking Target

2008-10-29 19:17:05

I have the .bsp, oh and it's dm_killbox_skilla iirc.

Shinigami

2008-10-29 23:52:31

Ok, if you need to have a map checked out, please upload it some where, that way we can retrieve it, unless of course is a map that would be on da webz and easy to find.

An yes although there are tons of killbox maps OUT there [boy... TONS!!] we stayed with what people suggested and left any out that had areas that are easy to hide in and camp from, anything with two many levels, hidden rooms in walls, hidden hallways, traps.. etc.

Shinigami

2008-10-31 02:36:56

Where we stand RIGHT now! The top 5 are as follows.. the rest need to get more votes..

dm_killbox_kbh2 1st Most votes
dm_domebox_tsgk 2nd Most votes
dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4 tied for third
dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3 tied for third
dm_killbox_mover_kbh_b2 4th place
dm_[tsf]_scottish_memorial_b3
dm_killbox_dominator
dm_killbox_e_tko
dm_cylinderbox_meekle_rc4
dm_killbox_kbi
dm_gfys
dm_killbox_deathmatrix_v2
dm_killbox_native02_tko

Super Luigi

2008-10-31 07:03:10

snipeIT wrote:
Walking Target wrote:dm_skilla?
I lost both the .bsp and the .vmf for that.

The unique aspect of that map was that it took place "vertically". So the higher you got, the more advantage you had.

Nevertheless, good to see someone who remembered it!

thats the map u made right?

Shinigami

2008-10-31 17:07:12

Let's have more votes please!!!!

[KBH]AuntJemina

2008-10-31 19:13:51

just a few more suggestions,
Killroof
box_v_box for 1v1's
tko_construction
stock_g

I didn't understand killshpere at all didn't even play like a killbox played like a camp map imo....
just wondering if their is different definitions for killbox or what. my personal opinion of a killbox is a fast, quick killing, quick dieing, nowhere to hide type of experience.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-10-31 22:35:01

[KBH]AuntJemina wrote:just a few more suggestions,
Killroof
box_v_box for 1v1's
tko_construction
stock_g

I didn't understand killshpere at all didn't even play like a killbox played like a camp map imo....
just wondering if their is different definitions for killbox or what. my personal opinion of a killbox is a fast, quick killing, quick dieing, nowhere to hide type of experience.

yea imo thats what a killbox is entirely.

and here is another to check out >> assault_box.

Tazzer

peace

Shinigami

2008-10-31 22:39:46

Go Tazzer go check them all out

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-10-31 22:43:22

ok ihave and i like these 4:

box_v_box for 1v1's
tko_construction
stock_g
assualt_box

they all have the killbox feel

we should move these to the vote list me thinks

Tazzer

peace

Darkology

2008-10-31 22:58:31

dm_killbox_dominator

dm_killbox_native02_tko

dm_[tsf]_scottish_memorial_b3

dm_killbox_mover_kbh_b2

dm_gfys

dm_killbox_kbi

dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4

does anyone have a link where I can download these?
-------

Also dm_spookface, dm_killbox_mcs_supreme, are good for tdm .

Paradox

2008-11-01 00:04:51

Darkology, click the boxes of the ones you want if you havent done so then they will get added up.

badinfluence

2008-11-01 00:38:38

Spookface would be terrible for killbox.

Walking Target

2008-11-01 01:32:49

badinfluence wrote:Spookface would be terrible for killbox.

Agree.

Spookface is not a killbox. It doesn't play like one at all and is awful at low gravity settings.

Sacrifist

2008-11-01 02:50:31

You guys should really take a look at dm_killbox_toons_no_rpgs. It is certainly worthy of the top 10. Sure, the name is stupid, but the map plays well.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-01 04:27:46

Sacrifist wrote:You guys should really take a look at dm_killbox_toons_no_rpgs. It is certainly worthy of the top 10. Sure, the name is stupid, but the map plays well.

isnt that the one that is basically the layout of kbh_2?

if so i've played there its a good map solid plaiyng.

Tazzer

peace

Sacrifist

2008-11-01 06:10:44

[KBH]Tazzer wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:You guys should really take a look at dm_killbox_toons_no_rpgs. It is certainly worthy of the top 10. Sure, the name is stupid, but the map plays well.
isnt that the one that is basically the layout of kbh_2?

if so i've played there its a good map solid plaiyng.

Tazzer

peace

Possibly, I dont pay to much attention to kbh map names. There are only 4 killbox maps that we have ever put on our server, 3 of them are tsgk killbox maps and the other is this one. Here is the map download

download

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-01 06:15:04

Sacrifist wrote:
[KBH]Tazzer wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:You guys should really take a look at dm_killbox_toons_no_rpgs. It is certainly worthy of the top 10. Sure, the name is stupid, but the map plays well.
isnt that the one that is basically the layout of kbh_2?

if so i've played there its a good map solid plaiyng.

Tazzer

peace
Possibly, I dont pay to much attention to kbh map names. There are only 4 killbox maps that we have ever put on our server, 3 of them are tsgk killbox maps and the other is this one. Here is the map download

download

what is your server btw??
just curious?

Tazzer

peace

Sacrifist

2008-11-01 07:54:36

[KBH]Tazzer wrote: what is your server btw??
just curious?

Tazzer

peace

66.225.194.156:27015 Its not running any killbox maps at this time though. We used to run them more often but have been playing only stock maps of late.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-01 08:16:41

Sacrifist wrote:
[KBH]Tazzer wrote: what is your server btw??
just curious?

Tazzer

peace
66.225.194.156:27015 Its not running any killbox maps at this time though. We used to run them more often but have been playing only stock maps of late.

so you have a clan name for your server?
so you are NOT a killbox clan as of late?
only stock so you wont be in the league?

Tazzer

peace

Sacrifist

2008-11-01 20:19:12

[KBH]Tazzer wrote:
Sacrifist wrote:
[KBH]Tazzer wrote: what is your server btw??
just curious?

Tazzer

peace
66.225.194.156:27015 Its not running any killbox maps at this time though. We used to run them more often but have been playing only stock maps of late.
so you have a clan name for your server?
so you are NOT a killbox clan as of late?
only stock so you wont be in the league?

Tazzer

peace

Yes our clan name is in our server title
Does that matter? We are a HL2DM clan and enjoy all styles of play equally.
Ofcourse we will be in the league

what does any of this have to do with requesting a map to be looked at?

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-01 23:21:30

nothing at all was just wondering why you wont mention your clans name?
as i said i was just curious

it also struck me as unusual that your clan has no killboxes at all
on you're sever but yet you were interested in a killbox league.
no harm meant promise

Tazzer

peace

Sacrifist

2008-11-02 01:29:11

[KBH]Tazzer wrote:nothing at all was just wondering why you wont mention your clans name?
as i said i was just curious

it also struck me as unusual that your clan has no killboxes at all
on you're sever but yet you were interested in a killbox league.
no harm meant promise

Tazzer

peace

You never asked for my clans name. Its Elite and its in my avatar lol. We dont have killboxes in our rotation because we dont need them in the rotation. If we wanna play killbox maps we just go to kbh or tsgk servers. If those servers dried up then we would add killboxes to our rotation. I dont think having a server with killboxes in the rotation is a prerequisite for being in this kb league, so Ive just been a bit confused at your questions. Hope Ive cleared everything up

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-02 05:17:07

Sacrifist wrote:
[KBH]Tazzer wrote:nothing at all was just wondering why you wont mention your clans name?
as i said i was just curious

it also struck me as unusual that your clan has no killboxes at all
on you're sever but yet you were interested in a killbox league.
no harm meant promise

Tazzer

peace
You never asked for my clans name. Its Elite and its in my avatar lol. We dont have killboxes in our rotation because we dont need them in the rotation. If we wanna play killbox maps we just go to kbh or tsgk servers. If those servers dried up then we would add killboxes to our rotation. I dont think having a server with killboxes in the rotation is a prerequisite for being in this kb league, so Ive just been a bit confused at your questions. Hope Ive cleared everything up

idk either just tired? high? drunk? no work for me this week?
lmao though, we filled up some space!!
sorry this usually doesnt happen with me

Tazzer

peace

badinfluence

2008-11-02 08:23:17

Haha. {HE} didn't have a killbox server until a couple of weeks ago.

The Sparky

2008-11-02 20:07:21

Thought I had posted this yesterday but I must have hit the wrong button? Anyway I like these maps-

killbox_towers
killbox_bunker
tko_construction

There are a lot of fans of the two gdawgg maps I listed, and I'm sure having them would get more people involved.

Shinigami

2008-11-02 21:40:32

I think all of the above mention are too big for 1v1 or 2v2 and have the possibility of hiding since they have tunnels and secret walls.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-02 23:32:19

thats why i like killboxes to be killboxes not mazes or office buildings.
a box simply put lol

Tazzer

peace

The Sparky

2008-11-03 00:39:02

Then alter it. I agree- I don't want camping, sniping etc. A few small alterations could make the gdawgg maps very good for the tourny.

BuckyKatt

2008-11-03 00:58:41

The Sparky wrote:Then alter it. I agree- I don't want camping, sniping etc. A few small alterations could make the gdawgg maps very good for the tourny.

Keep in mind that for CAL you can only use an altered map if you have permission from the original map author to make the alteration. This rule has eliminated several maps from being used in stock CAL. Either maps have glitches or problems that make them unusable in CAL as is but because permission to make the alteration could not be had the maps could not be used.

Shinigami

2008-11-03 05:05:28

this message was revised, please read on.

Shinigami

2008-11-03 05:50:26

I am not sure what happen at the committee, I was only gone for 20 minutes and everyone was gone. Tazzer says the majority of the committee did not agree on the maps, I will have to disagree, we reviewed a lot few those the first meeting. We also had a week to review, that's why we are spacing out the meetings, so I am unsure as to what the delay is. Ten maps were voted on, if no one in the committee voted, then players voted for them, so changing them now to make the committee happy does not sit well with me [Plus it was 100% agreed by the committee just the ones in attendance]

Regardless, Tazzer is trying to put a new list together, he will also have to get votes in, this will happen very soon since we could have open rosters in the next 2 days.

Please discuss, do we want to go through another map picking process or are the maps we have fair enough?

badinfluence

2008-11-03 06:00:05

Shinigami wrote:I am not sure what happen at the committee, I was only gone for 20 minutes and everyone was gone. Tazzer says the majority of the committee did not agree on the maps, I will have to disagree, we reviewed a lot few those the first meeting. We also had a week to review, that's why we are spacing out the meetings, so I am unsure as to what the delay is. Ten maps were voted on, if no one in the committee voted, then players voted for them, so changing them now to make the committee happy does not sit well with me [Plus it was 100% agreed by the committee just the ones in attendance]

Regardless, Tazzer is trying to put a new list together, he will also have to get votes in, this will happen very soon since we could have open rosters in the next 2 days.

Please discuss, do we want to go through another map picking process or are the maps we have fair enough?

I'll tell you. We weren't prepared. We kept chaning servers, then I think the server admin who's server we were on left. It just turned into a pub so everyone was like if we are here to pub, we'll go do something else. We didn't agree on the voted maps because lots of them people have never heard of. We need to do another picking process to find maps that everyone likes, has played, and knows well enough. We don't think the vote in this thread was fair because we can't be sure that people that had no intent on playing in this league voted. Also, most people didnt get to vote in this thread and they were also complaining about that.

Shinigami

2008-11-03 17:38:10

Ok, as far as being prepared some things happened in the last 2 days I could not have foreseen, the committee is suppose to help with preparations as well, setting up the maps that were voted for in your server, specially if you had issues with them, would have been the way to go. Some of the maps are newer and not knows as well, for example I did not know a couple of maps until someone suggested it at the committee the first couple of times, does not make them bad maps. I didn't know the name of a couple of maps that I have played several times, when I saw them was like "oh,yeah this one"

A lot of the maps CAN'T be because of hidden rooms, tunnels or other problems for example I love bunker box, I play bunker several times a day, it is very zen for me BUT bunker box has a flaw and that is the tunnels where you can hide for the length of the game after getting a few kills and win your match, so bunker box as much as I love it can't be on the list, as popular as it is can't be on the list.

You guys are also use to long battles and long periods of time, Tazzer asked me how many frags and time, I said time only 20 minutes is all you get, you have to maximize that time if your map is too big, your weapons too far you waste time collecting stuff and looking for your opponent.

This is what doing a new vote will be like, get a maps list together, the more maps the less time you have to decide, the maps list has to be reviewed, a lot of maps will not make it in. Then you have to put up a vote, if you don't then you guys are making a sole decision, which is something I personally was trying to avoid, I think people getting involved is a great thing, maybe they weren't interested before but now they feel like they had a say. You have to have your vote for several days, the maps voted in would be it, must be at least ten we need 8. So we would be behind basically another week, time need to practice maps you may not be acquainted with is lost.

Here are your guidelines for maps, they can't be huge, they can't be too colorful, they can't be to busy or glitchy, they can't have a crashing problem when too many explosives go off, preferably no hiding spots, broken lifts, secret walls or tunnels. Remember this season you have 1 and 2 player competition, so you should be able to see your opponent easy enough or else you will never find each other, open basic killboxes are best. If this voting doesn't get in by Friday, the 10 originally voted for maps stand, that's final we can't loose anymore time. the would mean rosters will not open until NEXT week.

BuckyKatt

2008-11-03 18:14:43

Shinigami wrote:You guys are also use to long battles and long periods of time, Tazzer asked me how many frags and time, I said time only 20 minutes is all you get, you have to maximize that time if your map is too big, your weapons too far you waste time collecting stuff and looking for your opponent.

In standard CAL 1v1 matches are 15 minutes and team matches (2v2 or 4v4) are 20 minutes.

I am in the process of finding all the maps listed above and placing them on my server so we can have a meaningful discussion around them. I had assumed this was already done elsewhere otherwise I would have done it before our Sunday meeting.

Super Luigi

2008-11-03 19:37:19

My opinion on this, the matches should be shorter since the fights are more common and quicker. I say something like 10 min 1v1's teams 15 min

Shinigami

2008-11-04 00:42:24

Yeah Bucky we DID look at some of the maps, for the first couple of meetings THAT and maps people suggested that basically had to be a must were put on that voting list. They names weren't pulled out of hat, we had gone through some of the process that is why I find this redundant.

Luigi, time will fly for the 2v2 trust me.

Sacrifist

2008-11-04 01:30:45

Shinigami wrote:Ok well meeting was a bust but the maps with the more votes are:

Our 8 for now:
dm_killbox_dominator 5%
dm_killbox_kbh2 16%
dm_[tsf]_scottish_memorial_b3 7%
dm_gfys 4% 4%
dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4 9%
dm_domebox_tsgk 15%
dm_cylinderbox_meekle_rc4 4%
dm_killbox_e_tko 5%

Our 2 in reserve:
dm_killbox_mover_kbh_b2 8% Until keeper comes out with a topless version it will be a back up
dm_killbox_deathmatrix_v2 4% optional, I worry about the lifts not lifting properly.

You missed the best killbox map on the list lol. Which is also the 3rd top vote getter btw dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3 10% [ 13 ]

Why even have a vote if you arent going to put the top maps in the league? If it's because there's already 2 tsgk maps in the list, then that is bs. They are the best 3 kb maps out there along with kbh2. Nothing else is remotely close.

Shinigami

2008-11-04 02:08:54

Yeah that list was put up last minute, I kinda messed it, but the final vote still visible, is quite clear that there were 10 maps voted for, maps that were suggested on the original forum, maps that were suggested to me by people and fit the guidelines. If having too many groups from one clan is issue one way, it can be issue another way, perhaps we should put a cap on how many maps ONE clan or map maker can have? but right there is exactly what I was hoping to avoid.. 1001 rules, but perhaps there is a reason all those rules are necessary, so it doesn't become a one clan or one person show.

My thought is we voted, the vote was up for almost two weeks, I offered to review maps if people uploaded them, no one did. some suggestions were not feasible due to size, if you never heard of some of them for gods sake, go look at them, download them, if you find fault or a reason why it should not have been up, say so.

I am committed to this process to keep the nature of fairness and as much as it has pained me, I quti Max, I am stepping down from MF as clan leader and Team Veracity will not be participating in this league. My only interest is for this community to rejuvenate itself by creating more competition, new faces, new blood.. etc.

Shinigami

2008-11-04 02:17:54

The list revised, the 8 winning maps as per the vote already taken.

dm_killbox_kbh2 16%
dm_domebox_tsgk 15%
dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3 10%
dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4 9%
dm_killbox_mover_kbh_b2 8% [Needs revision]
dm_[tsf]_scottish_memorial_b3 7%
dm_killbox_dominator 5%
dm_killbox_e_tko 5%

The rest are tied at 4%
dm_cylinderbox_meekle_rc4
dm_killbox_kbi
dm_gfys
dm_killbox_native02_tko
dm_killbox_deathmatrix_v2

I apologize for the mess up.

Ko-Tao

2008-11-04 13:15:15

I recommend:

dm_killbox_ultra
dm_killbox_el_kbh_v1

Better late than never!

Shinigami

2008-11-04 14:17:51

Ok, MEANTIME the 8 maps are up in a special rotation with the KB Cal settings at my place.

63.209.36.102:27015 [MFX] POMP'S || Killbox Cal Map Rotation-Settings

dm_[tsf]_scottish_memorial_b3
dm_domebox_tsgk
dm_donutbox_tsgk_rc4
dm_killbox_dominator
dm_killbox_mover_kbh_b2
dm_killbox_e_tko
dm_killbox_kbh2
dm_killbox_tsgk_v8_rc3

Shinigami

2008-11-04 14:18:57

Ko-Tao wrote:I recommend:

dm_killbox_ultra
dm_killbox_el_kbh_v1

Better late than never!

YA hear that Tazzer?

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-05 01:47:27

ok:

dm_killbox_construction1_tko

dm_killbox_el_kbh_wire

dm_killbox_ultra

dm_killbox_el_kbh_v1

dm_killbox_kbh_revised_1

dm_killbox_kbh_stockg_v1

dm_killbox_tazzmania

ok so far this is all i can come up with Pomp

so who ever needs these just contact me if you want to
check them out!!

but lets do this as quickly as possible so we can
get the the tourney going!!

Tazzer

peace

Shinigami

2008-11-05 01:59:22

So you want COMPLETELY change the list, am I understanding that correctly? And you want it done quickly? you jest!

I know two, construction and Tazzmania, I can tell you Tazzmania right now is OUT, is very dark on top, very hard to see.

I am sorry, like you said to me last night but I am putting this up for a vote, what you are asking is not going to take a couple of days, also people have to vote on them, have you figured out how? Who decided on these killboxes and why? Are you saying the other list is completely off??

We need a vote, my answer would be a solid no, I think you are making more work that is necessary, did you even bother to visit my server with the maps voted in? Did anyone? Does anyone NOT know all of the maps on the original list or the majority? Does everyone know the maps on Tazz list or the majority?

My level of frustration is rising with this more and more everyday, is like YOU are making this decision on your own Tazz, at least with the original vote it was maps people suggested.

Could you give me a good reason beside I do not know them why Scottish Memorial and Dominator are not good killboxes?? Both fairly new but solid and good killboxes, I would just like to see where your head is at with this, because the way I see it, now you are making everyone else learn the maps on your list because you didn't want to learn the ones already voted in.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-05 02:50:20

Shinigami wrote:So you want COMPLETELY change the list, am I understanding that correctly? And you want it done quickly? you jest!

I know two, construction and Tazzmania, I can tell you Tazzmania right now is OUT, is very dark on top, very hard to see.

I am sorry, like you said to me last night but I am putting this up for a vote, what you are asking is not going to take a couple of days, also people have to vote on them, have you figured out how? Who decided on these killboxes and why? Are you saying the other list is completely off??

We need a vote, my answer would be a solid no, I think you are making more work that is necessary, did you even bother to visit my server with the maps voted in? Did anyone? Does anyone NOT know all of the maps on the original list or the majority? Does everyone know the maps on Tazz list or the majority?

My level of frustration is rising with this more and more everyday, is like YOU are making this decision on your own Tazz, at least with the original vote it was maps people suggested.

Could you give me a good reason beside I do not know them why Scottish Memorial and Dominator are not good killboxes?? Both fairly new but solid and good killboxes, I would just like to see where your head is at with this, because the way I see it, now you are making everyone else learn the maps on your list because you didn't want to learn the ones already voted in.

not at all Pomp
just wanted to add them in there? we've already got 4-5? set and ready?
dont we?
just wanted to get more of a selection. shoulda already done it but here it is.

btw....do you have a valium or something???
calm down......breath............

also i could have tazzmainia brightened up

Tazzer

peace

Shinigami

2008-11-05 03:52:23

I am simply at a loss with this, did you make tazzmania?? because only the mapmaker could change it or if we changed it we would have to have permission, it is also in my opinion one of the worst killboxes, so brighting it up would do little.

Which 5 maps? care to elaborate which maps were ok with your side committee? Who is selecting these maps, that you didn't answer and why? Is there is going to be a vote and revision of these maps or should we just take your word for it?

I am glad you find this amusing because I am not, this causing tremendous amount of unnecessary work, the least you could do is honor my questions with answers.

I really thought you and were going to work together not against each other, I guess I was wrong, I am leaving the vote up, let the people decide. If they vote on your maps which have had no revision by any other than your side committee and they fail, at least it will be clear that I am not ok with this.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-05 05:11:31

Shinigami wrote:So you want COMPLETELY change the list, am I understanding that correctly? And you want it done quickly? you jest!

taz NO!!

I know two, construction and Tazzmania, I can tell you Tazzmania right now is OUT, is very dark on top, very hard to see.

taz can be revised(i made it obviously).

I am sorry, like you said to me last night but I am putting this up for a vote, what you are asking is not going to take a couple of days, also people have to vote on them, have you figured out how? Who decided on these killboxes and why? Are you saying the other list is completely off??

taz yes they vote.

taz partly me, the committee and beasley lol.

taz refer to first question (same no).

We need a vote, my answer would be a solid no, I think you are making more work that is necessary, did you even bother to visit my server with the maps voted in? Did anyone? Does anyone NOT know all of the maps on the original list or the majority? Does everyone know the maps on Tazz list or the majority?

taz how much work have you had to do i mean you make it sound grueling.

taz no but i have my own server (so to speak).

taz cant answer for the rest of the whole community can i?

taz i and alot of other players said they never herd of them
(like i already told you on irc).

tazim sure they do(majority anyway).

My level of frustration is rising with this more and more everyday, is like YOU are making this decision on your own Tazz, at least with the original vote it was maps people suggested.

taz no im not its what the committee and the community asked me to do.

Could you give me a good reason beside I do not know them why Scottish Memorial and Dominator are not good killboxes?? Both fairly new but solid and good killboxes, I would just like to see where your head is at with this, because the way I see it, now you are making everyone else learn the maps on your list because you didn't want to learn the ones already voted in.

tazScottish Memorial is out completely.........as it has LEVELS helLO?

taz dominator is big as hell but thats cool with me i like it what gave you the impression i didnt??

taz my head is at??

taz not my fault i was asked to do it, trying the best i can

taz and isnt the pre-season for learning the maps?(and you can usually tell in 5min if you like it
no need to learn it lol)

Tazzer

peace

Shinigami

2008-11-05 22:09:58

POMp and Tazz finally discuss the real issue, xmas colors

So you want COMPLETELY change the list, am I understanding that correctly? And you want it done quickly? you jest!

taz NO!! then what JUST ADD YOURS AND TRUST YOU?

I know two, construction and Tazzmania, I can tell you Tazzmania right now is OUT, is very dark on top, very hard to see.

taz can be revised(i made it obviously). SORRY OUT OF TIME also do You think is right for you to push your own killbox as a possible Cal rep?

I am sorry, like you said to me last night but I am putting this up for a vote, what you are asking is not going to take a couple of days, also people have to vote on them, have you figured out how? Who decided on these killboxes and why? Are you saying the other list is completely off??

taz yes they vote. WHEN???

taz partly me, the committee and beasley lol. which in the comittee? why Beasly who hasn't even said if he is playing and has shown no interest so far?

taz refer to first question (same no). THEN EXPLAIN?

We need a vote, my answer would be a solid no, I think you are making more work that is necessary, did you even bother to visit my server with the maps voted in? Did anyone? Does anyone NOT know all of the maps on the original list or the majority? Does everyone know the maps on Tazz list or the majority?

taz how much work have you had to do i mean you make it sound grueling.

You have delayed us for a week, do you care since you know your list of maps and now kbh would have what 7 maps on board, no of course not, I care and other people do.

Have we voted on your list as per your non existant directions, no! have we tested them, no!
what day is it? HUMMM wednesday.. any plans to do it right or just throw them in there?

taz no but i have my own server (so to speak).
I have put the first 8 in MY server have you gone?

taz cant answer for the rest of the whole community can i?
RIGHT, what I been saying

taz i and alot of other players said they never herd of them
(like i already told you on irc).
Yes, who and why have they not gone and look at them and find real fault with them other than I never heard of it?

tazim sure they do(majority anyway).
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO is the majority, no one asked me, bet you I can find 3 other committe members who were left out.

My level of frustration is rising with this more and more everyday, is like YOU are making this decision on your own Tazz, at least with the original vote it was maps people suggested.

taz no im not its what the committee and the community asked me to do.
OK WHO in the community, your list is extremely self served

Could you give me a good reason beside I do not know them why Scottish Memorial and Dominator are not good killboxes?? Both fairly new but solid and good killboxes, I would just like to see where your head is at with this, because the way I see it, now you are making everyone else learn the maps on your list because you didn't want to learn the ones already voted in.

tazScottish Memorial is out completely.........as it has LEVELS helLO?
and that makes it bad how? This is competition, you should be able to play it.

taz dominator is big as hell but thats cool with me i like it what gave you the impression i didnt??
and that makes it bad how? you can see your oponent no matter where you are, on the other hand tazzmania is like a box of matches, doesn't take much skill.

taz my head is at??
taz not my fault i was asked to do it, trying the best i can
Well, I am a killbox player are YOU representing me? you are representing your own self interest with your list

taz and isnt the pre-season for learning the maps?(and you can usually tell in 5min if you like it
no need to learn it lol)

Really? NO, you play 2 maps in pre then you start the season, one week, one map. Do you know right away all spawn points, all weapon locations, best spots to snipe off, well then are either an incredibly good fighter or you are a non organized fighter, whatever works and probably why you are picking maps you already know.

badinfluence

2008-11-05 23:36:35

Good, xmas colors.

The two colors i'm colorblind to.

Shinigami

2008-11-06 00:24:18

yeah that would be problem...

Ok look, let the new vote stand for the tazz map list and the last people who brought maps forward, if keeper can come up with his revision by Friday night then that map is in, I will put all the selected maps on my server SATURDAY and they will stay on rotation for people to practice on with the proper settings.

This is the last of the decisions and then Fearsome will go ahead and set up what he needs so everyone can sign up sometime early next week which is what we ALL want.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-06 01:19:54

fine pomp you got your way.

Well then i withdraw from admin and the committee
for the league, i dont need to hear your big mouth criticizing
"me" personally at everything i try to discuss
with you, evey time i do you act like this is "YOUR" cal league
trying to be queen or something.......btw i was warned about "YOU" and thought
it was just an opinion. but i guess it was real after all.

you act like a 12-15 year old and a bitchy one at that

so now you have another thing to do.... recruit another Admin GLHF!!!!

sorry to all i may have let down ....i just wanted to help

Tazzer

peace

BuckyKatt

2008-11-06 01:58:19

Both of you need to chill. Neither of you is in kindergarten anymore. In the real world we work through our disagreements, we don't quti just because we disagree.

Pomp's original vote on maps had enough responses to move forward. The first I heard of the maps needing to change is when you two started bickering publicly a couple of days ago. No one ever mentioned to me (as one of the committee members) the desire to change maps from these.

I agree with Taz though... a few of the maps strike me as strange choices (that were probably influence by the ultra low grav crowd). But that is not unprecedented. Regular CAL has at times included maps that were not well known or were not popular. Dominator may be a bit big for a 1v1 and I have not seen scotish memorial to judge it at all. I would have liked to have seen Ultra in the list as I like it. However, in the end the most important thing is that we get the first season rolling. Again, it is not unprecedented that a map get changed mid season. Normally this happens due to a glitch being found but I am sure that since this is the first season I am sure we could potentially change a map simply because it was an exceeedingly unpopular choice made by a committee that couldn't get its collective shit together fast enough to make good choices.

So with that said I would like to see you two agree that the petty little stuff was stupid and then kiss and make up (just don't let Wildthing know). Tazzer I really would like to see you both as admins, both continuing to have input, and both working together to make this a reality. If you still feel so strongly as to drop out as admin then let me know and I will talk to Fearsome about taking on the role myself.

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-06 02:35:36

BuckyKatt wrote:Both of you need to chill. Neither of you is in kindergarten anymore. In the real world we work through our disagreements, we don't quti just because we disagree.

Pomp's original vote on maps had enough responses to move forward. The first I heard of the maps needing to change is when you two started bickering publicly a couple of days ago. No one ever mentioned to me (as one of the committee members) the desire to change maps from these.

I agree with Taz though... a few of the maps strike me as strange choices (that were probably influence by the ultra low grav crowd). But that is not unprecedented. Regular CAL has at times included maps that were not well known or were not popular. Dominator may be a bit big for a 1v1 and I have not seen scotish memorial to judge it at all. I would have liked to have seen Ultra in the list as I like it. However, in the end the most important thing is that we get the first season rolling. Again, it is not unprecedented that a map get changed mid season. Normally this happens due to a glitch being found but I am sure that since this is the first season I am sure we could potentially change a map simply because it was an exceeedingly unpopular choice made by a committee that couldn't get its collective shit together fast enough to make good choices.

So with that said I would like to see you two agree that the petty little stuff was stupid and then kiss and make up (just don't let Wildthing know). Tazzer I really would like to see you both as admins, both continuing to have input, and both working together to make this a reality. If you still feel so strongly as to drop out as admin then let me know and I will talk to Fearsome about taking on the role myself.

ok bro i "will" stay you are right this is for the league
and we need to move on we'll just go for the first maplist and
move on.......truce Pomp?

sorry for all the stagnation

Tazzer

peace

Shinigami

2008-11-06 04:49:50

Yeah, but you called me bitchy .. like that never happens

I don't want to fight I wanna move on, yes there should be warning about me, I just got home from the doctors office, total snafu by his office made him "grumpy' at me and he of course was blaming me, after a few minutes.. I was almost "DOOD like let's do this and quti being so grumpy", he laughed from then on the rest of the visit we were giggling like kids and he apologized for being grumpy. I apologize for being a righteous bitch, just want to get this goin!!!

I have NEVER come back to so many blinking IM's, most be a record...

[KBH]Tazzer

2008-11-06 04:56:29

alright then back on track!! w00t!!

P.S. i wanted to kill you like hotdog lmao!!

Tazzer

peace

Shinigami

2008-11-06 04:58:08

not if I kill you like 2 hotdogs.. that's right..

Men now I want a hotdog again..