Keyboard..

What are the best choices? I've heard a lot are using the saitek eclipse. Razer lycosa and tarantula seem fine too.
Anyone who knows about this or has any good keyboard and would like to give their opion, please feel free to enlighten me

Logitech is also good.

my tarantuala is still kickin.. has a lot of pointless macro keys, and not all of the keys are LED lit, but.. its probably cheaper then the newer one they have now.

I just use a 5$ keyboard. Because no good keyboard had real good keys and none of them seem to solve the problem of not being able to use some key combos in Hl2DM I cant justify spending any more then 5$

Damn $5. I dont think Ive ever seen a keyboard for $5! Such a bargain hunter!

my tarantuala is still kickin.. has a lot of pointless macro keys, and not all of the keys are LED lit, but.. its probably cheaper then the newer one they have now.

Nope, lycosa is cheaper than tarantula. Same as deathadder is cheaper than copperhead.

Because no good keyboard had real good keys and none of them seem to solve the problem of not being able to use some key combos in Hl2DM I cant justify spending any more then 5$

Well the tarantula is supposed to have anti-ghosting...which I guess must solve it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Wolf claw, i wouldnt even bother looking at the rest.

Speaking from experience, the Lycosa pwns. All of its keys are nicely backlit, the keys have a nice rubberized finish like the death adder, and its a good weight with REALLY grippy feet so it won't slide. I noticed a huge difference between my stock $5 keyboard and my nice shiny $80 Lycosa, but I think that had to do with the $5 keyboards design being absolutely retarded. i'm sure you could find a cheap board that would work fine, but razer gaurentees leet performance and deliver, and its just so damn shiny. I'm like a raven i couldn't help but nab it lol. Oh and its kind of unclear how many keys have anti-ghosting but wasd and some others are anti-ghosting, so most of the keys you will use are anti-ghosting. could i say it one more time anti-....no, NO!

every user seems to like the lycosa... I'll see if I can find your config in some thread, for me to have an idea what you use, and what kind of anti-ghosting this keyboard gives....:p
If you didn't post your config please do it here or through a pm

Epoch wrote:Speaking from experience, the Lycosa pwns. All of its keys are nicely backlit, the keys have a nice rubberized finish like the death adder, and its a good weight with REALLY grippy feet so it won't slide. I noticed a huge difference between my stock $5 keyboard and my nice shiny $80 Lycosa, but I think that had to do with the $5 keyboards design being absolutely retarded. i'm sure you could find a cheap board that would work fine, but razer gaurentees leet performance and deliver, and its just so damn shiny. I'm like a raven i couldn't help but nab it lol. Oh and its kind of unclear how many keys have anti-ghosting but wasd and some others are anti-ghosting, so most of the keys you will use are anti-ghosting. could i say it one more time anti-....no, NO!

What does it mean anti ghosting keys like some are and some aren't? How do you know which ones are, I use an ESDF config now

I second Epoch's comment.

I love the Lycosa, Shiny, Backlit, and it just feels so good too.

Did I mention you can actually disable the windows key on it? O:

I love that feature xD Its much more responsive than my last keyboard and I dont think I'll move to anything else.

could any of you "Lycosa owners" =P, say your configs? that would really help me

I can't believe I forgot to mention you can turn off the windows key, which is reallt awesome. I used to hit it ALL the time because I use ALT for my talk button. The keys just feel so good I won't go back to plastic, their incredibly responsive also.
heh sry Onti heres mine:

Movement
WASD
Sprint: Shift
Duck: Crtl
Jump: Space

Weapon binds
Q: Last wep
E: Shotgun
F: Mag
C: Xbow
V: AR2
1: crowbar
2: Pea shooter
3: Smg
4: n/a
5: RL
6: SLAM
Mouse4(front thumb): Nade
Mouse5(back thumb):Grav gun

Misc.
R: Reload
G: Use
X: Flashlight

@Fearsome- That is correct, the WASD and other keys around them are anti-ghosting. So i dunno if an esdf movement person would be able to have their wep binds to the right of their movement buttons be anti-ghosting. I can't remember which keys specificly are anti-ghosting, I'll post when I get home and have a chance to look at the info that came with the board.

My config.

Wasd: Movement
Grav: Q
Use: e
Reload: R
Tab: Prev wep(Dont really use it either. xD)
Xbow: 1
AR2: f
Zoom: Z
Mag: X
Shotgun: C
Nades: V
Duck: Shift
Jump: Space
SMG: Lalt
Sprint: Mouse 4
Crowbar: Mouse 5
RPG: Mouse 3
Misc. Bindings: N,M,J,K,L,I,O,P,0 >____>;;;

I should change my keys mine ar pretty messed up but not as bad as some i know wel its mostly my weps i cannot access some quickly enough sometimes.
I use a saitek eclipse 2 works good can see when light is dim can press loads of keys at once.

keefy wrote:I should change my keys mine ar pretty messed up but not as bad as some i know wel its mostly my weps i cannot access some quickly enough sometimes.
I use a saitek eclipse 2 works good can see when light is dim can press loads of keys at once.

I switched from an Eclipse 2. Horrible.. The keys on mine started to die unless I pressed them really hard.

I use the Logitech G15 keyboard. I switched from a cheap 15 dollar IBM basic keyboard that Ive had for over 5 years. It was a nice switch.

Logitech Media/Media elite or some shit. > $20 USD

mmmm I was hoping to move to ESDF movement.
But should get more info on this keyboard first.
with ESDF movement....SD would be anti-ghosting, and you could use W and A as weapons or something like that, while still being anti-ghosting....
Definitely need more info...thanks so far epoch ;D

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0 wrote:

keefy wrote:I should change my keys mine ar pretty messed up but not as bad as some i know wel its mostly my weps i cannot access some quickly enough sometimes.
I use a saitek eclipse 2 works good can see when light is dim can press loads of keys at once.

I switched from an Eclipse 2. Horrible.. The keys on mine started to die unless I pressed them really hard.

Exactly the same as me, I use ESDF for movement and my E key only works half the time unless I press it really hard...it's so effin annoying, I'm gonna complain about it...I think (hope) the Saitek comes with a 2 year warranty.

Lycosa is so cool, I want

Sry Onti I keep forgeting about this thread, I was gonna check into the anti-ghosting but I forgot. *sigh* I smoke to much. So I'm writing myself a note to look into that anti-ghosting for you when I get home from work.

thanks ^^
I'd really appreciate it

Edit: It seems this is the anti-ghosting it has.
http://www.razerzone.com/drivers/img/Keytop_Lycosa.jpg

I think there is a program out there which shows you how many keys are responsive when you press many of them.
Maybe you can try that with your keyboard (while pressing stuff like any esdf player would). =]

Heres a review for you Onty. http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/reviews/peri ... r-lycosa/1

Looking at the specifications, you can soon see where the differences are between this keyboard and the Tarantula. With the Tarantula every key had the anti-ghosting facility, which means that when you press multiple buttons at once, you don’t get a random key being sent to your PC. With the Lycosa, while you’d expect the entire board to have this feature, it’s only the WASD cluster which is a little vague. Does it mean that you can press all of the WASD buttons at once or does it mean that you can press other keys AND all the WASD buttons? The ability to press all the WASD keys at once is pretty much useless, as according to Razer’s own evidence, a generic board can have 3 buttons pressed at once. When have you ever wanted to go backwards, forwards, left and right at the same time? It sounds like this ‘anti-ghosting’ feature is a PR point rather than something that’ll help in your day-to-day gaming.

Also I tested the Saitek using a key press test and it's the same as a standard keyboard... shite!

Heres the keyboard tester...just use the trial version http://www.passmark.com/products/keytest.htm

wow nice picture Onti. it's too bad they didn't include R F and space.

Yeah that was the diagram I remember seeing on the box Onti. I was gonna check that when I got home lol. Nice find with the keybaord testing app Jelly, having stuff like that linked on the site is a handy resource. Its weird though I don't really know if ghosting is really all that much of an issue, I used a stock keyboard to play this gme for the first year and a half that I played and never noticed any problems with ghosting. So I mean the lycosas' anti-ghosting feature even though its limited would be a plus. I dunno its so damn shiny, just buy it, it SHINES! Mmmm pretty lights and colors and mmmmmmmmmm shiny.

@ Reviewer "When have you ever wanted to go backwards, forwards, left and right at the same time?"
I read this review when I was checking out the Lycosa, then and now my response is the same. Are you fucking retarded!? Its not about JUST the wasd you fucktard the anti-ghosting encompasses other keys which actually whould be beneficial to press along with W+D and W+A+ctrl+wep. I'm sorry but that section and a couple other sections of that review just made me wanna yell, "WTF are smoking man, fuck." Dunno why but that dude gets me all hot and bothered. If your a reviewer you really can't provide people with misleading information, its just fucked up. Hoozfrabah, breathe in, breathe out, in, Hoozfrabah, in, out, in, Hoozafrabah. whew works like a charm.

Epoch why don't you email the dude instead of crying about it like a small child http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/contact-us.html go on, tell him what a fucktard he is...go on, do it, do it now!

{Rx}Crowbar Ninja DJ Z3R0 wrote: I switched from an Eclipse 2. Horrible.. The keys on mine started to die unless I pressed them really hard.

I understand now, mine is starting to do the same

thanks for all the info so far guys
Epoch ...please post the results after trying that little program jelly posted alright?

I forgot again last night, Doh! Its not my fault though lol, when I got home from work my roommate and buddy were taking beer bongs in the kitchen, and I couldn't say no. So needless to say I got a little side tracked. I reallized I forgot this morning and left a note on my keyboard. So it'll be the first thing I see when I get on my comp tonight lol.

Jelly Fox wrote:Epoch why don't you email the dude instead of crying about it like a small child http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/contact-us.html go on, tell him what a fucktard he is...go on, do it, do it now!

lol, just giving my opinion, I was a little worked up at the time because I had just gotten off the phone with an absolutely retarded customer. My posts are liable to be influenced by rage whenever I write them at work due to the fact that people are are retarded, and working in customer service I get the dumbest of the dumb. You think thats crying like a small child......you don't know what i'm capable of. Anyway hes entitled to his opinion, and its one badly done review out of over 50 at least im sure. And if you think im apprehenisive aboout sending him what I wrote in the post, your dead wrong lol, besides he probly gets emails like that all the time. thanks for the troll though

Plenty more trolls where that came from...

Been so long since I've seen one of those! Those things were always REALLY creepy lol.

@ Onti Ok I finally tested it and I was able to press a total of 6 keys at a time with all of the essential keys you would need to press in game. Except tab, that was the only one that did not register in the area of the esdf keys. So even though they aren't listed as anti-ghosting they were registering after 6 keys were being pressed, the seventh would not register. So I dunno about razers picture because the program says otherwise.

I don't have 7 fingers anyway ... so thanks for the info ! ^^

make sure you actually test it in game. I know that valve has an odd input detection system and some tests that work out of game fail in game.

Fearsome* wrote:make sure you actually test it in game. I know that valve has an odd input detection system and some tests that work out of game fail in game.

WHUT? Ok, you guys lost me. All this over keyboards?
lol at this entire thread.

DEATH-ANGEL wrote:I use the Logitech G15 keyboard. I switched from a cheap 15 dollar IBM basic keyboard that Ive had for over 5 years. It was a nice switch.

Ok, now we're back on track.

mmm never been a big fan of logitech.... their stuff is too weird for my taste... I hate how the new mouse looks, and a friend of mine has the G5, (I knew that mouse before I bought mine) and still don't like it after trying it....
Since I bought my razer mouse ... I'm planning to stick to razer until they fail me

WHUT? Ok, you guys lost me. All this over keyboards?
lol at this entire thread.

D:? can't we discuss about which are the best keyboards out there to get now a days? =(

I did some in game testing with the esdf cfg and try as I might I wasn't able to physically press enough keys to where any were not registering. You would need some double jointed fingers to press enough buttons to experience any ghosting lol. I had weps bound to r, g, v, b and t and all of them worked while holding 4 other keys. I even tried holding e+f, ctr, bouncing with space, and timing my wep chages on r,f,c,v, and t wep binds to see if you would be able to switch while bhopping. So I'd say that the Lycosa is a safe buy for both wasd and esdf key cfg users.

thanks for the post and analysis Epoch!

Np my pleasure. Bad news though, I'm pretty sure my roommate spilled somthing ony my beloved keyboard. The alt, shift, and space keys no longer have a smooth key press. And alt and shift now stick a little so they don't reset after a press as fast as they should. I didn't confront him last night when I noticed it cause Iw as in a bad mood and I figured I might start flipping out. I told him when I finally caved and started letting him use my comp that i REALLY didn't want to, and that he would need to keep everything, cleaner than I left it....well the shit has officially hit the fan. I can't open it up to clean it because it will probly void my warranty, but then they also won't replace it for spill damage. So i guess I have to try and get a straight answer out of him...oi this is the situation I wanted to avoid by being a nazi and not let ANYONE even touch my comp. *sigh* I knew I should have been an asshole, geez this is what you get for being nice.

*sigh* it wasn't magically all better when I got home from work. :evil:

Hmmm well personally I use the Logitech g-15...never had any issues with keys not registering when to many are pressed. I just did some tests on it and you can press up to 7 keys before it stops registering NEW ones.

@ Epoch...thanks for all the testing ... and good luck with your mate spilling shit over ur keyboard =/

Hey its my pleasure, I always like to know as much as I can about a product before I buy it, so I like to point out worth while purchases. Heh yeah thanks, it seems to be kinda working in, a lot of the buttons I use for hl2dm have stopped sticking for the most part. I think it was relatively minor and the problem seems to slowly be fixing it self so I have so hard feelings lol.

0nti wrote:I don't have 7 fingers anyway

I call bs...

D: !
haha nice pic

I think the anti-ghosting feature is also called n-key rollover. I'm left handed and I use the numeric keypad for all my binds. On most keyboards, the numeric keypad does not have n-key rollover on a number of the keys. I finally found one that did, but the action on the keys is very stiff.

Anyone else out there left handed? How do you have your binds set up?

ether wrote: Anyone else out there left handed? How do you have your binds set up?

why don't you try a OKL; config with space as jump or crouch or something like that?

I tried that, but the windows key got in my way. I even tried prying the windows key button off my keyboard. Also, I have gravgun bound to the right arrow which I hit with my thumb. That is so ingrained, I don't think I could ever change it. The space bar doesn't leave any room for binding gravgun to a key I can hit with my thumb.

btw, I grew up in the States, but my family is from Ottawa. My parents have a place in the boondocks near Eganville. Where abouts are you in Ontario?

Did you know that it has been statistically proven that left handed people live shorter lives? Granted its not by much but its a really weird statistic regardless. It has to do with things being designed by anf for right handed people...like power tools

Epoch wrote:Did you know that it has been statistically proven that left handed people live shorter lives?

Also all Polar Bears are left handed (fact)

Damn they got fucked. No wonder they are going extinct lol.

5 of 7 in my family are lefties. And none are polar bears. I'm an actuary, so I have heard about the higher mortality.

I Mostly right handed but use my left for Spoon and fork, yes I know most people do use fork in left when using a knife and fork but when eratign with just a fork they do not.

Back to KEYBOARDS.
I hear lots of good things about this lycosa but wonderign if it is still in US keybaord layout? If it is then I have to use this eclipse 2 until they do.

I was supposed to be left handed, but my mother, knowing that most stuff is made for right handed people, forced me to be right handed. You may not know this, but each of us has a dominant eye which normally corresponds to whether you are right or left handed. I lead with my left eye, despite being right handed because thats what I was naturally meant to do.

Ok...Keyboards.

I spilled a drink on my G15 which was about 3 years old and I had to order a new one so I am getting the newer (2007) version of the G15 which is smaller than the original.

Paradox wrote:I was supposed to be left handed, but my mother, knowing that most stuff is made for right handed people, forced me to be right handed. You may not know this, but each of us has a dominant eye which normally corresponds to whether you are right or left handed. I lead with my left eye, despite being right handed because thats what I was naturally meant to do.

Ok...Keyboards.

I spilled a drink on my G15 which was about 3 years old and I had to order a new one so I am getting the newer (2007) version of the G15 which is smaller than the original.

My left eye is my dominant eye also and when firing a gun I use my left eye to aim.
When I first started school my teacher at school made me use my right hand (bitch), at home I used both.

keefy wrote:Back to KEYBOARDS.
I hear lots of good things about this lycosa but wonderign if it is still in US keybaord layout? If it is then I have to use this eclipse 2 until they do.

no http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/5348337/R ... +UK+Layout

OH My jelly is the master I bow down to your superior knowledge of things thank you indeed.
However i feel £60 is a bit expensive for a keyboard i think, hows aboutyou?

Well I got the new G15 yesterday and it is quite a bit smaller than the older version. The keys feel the same. Overall I a pleased with the purchase. The only thing I think is worse is they went to orange lighting instead of blue like the older one. Really just semantics, I just prefer blue.

lycosa, best keyboard ever. i guess the backlit keys are good, but as far as im concerned not really nessecary. i dont really memorize my keys for my weapons, i memorized the finger movement i do to get to that weapon. very thin keyboard hardly feels like it's there, rubber non-slide keys are nice too.

wasd
v -talk
c -crossbow
x -shotty
caps lock -ar2(and ive never seen a post where somebody uses the capslock key, idk why, its right there, no reason not to use it)
mouse scroll push down -mag
r -rpg
q -last weapon
mouse button 4, or upper side button -grenade
mouse button 5 or lower side button -grav gun
scroll down -stun stick/crowbar
space -jump
shift -sprint
left cntrl -crouch
2 -9mm
y -chat

but like i said, i dont think of the keys to switch the weapon but rather the finger movement to do it

I love my lycosa, the shorter keypresses are amazing, it's like typing on a laptop but smoother and softer. I like being able to turn off the left windows key, that was forever pissing me off on my last keyboard. The touch sensitive media control panel is sweet as well.

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:

caps lock -ar2(and ive never seen a post where somebody uses the capslock key, idk why, its right there, no reason not to use it)

CAPSLOCK = RPG
So if I type in caps you know I have the RPG

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote: caps lock -ar2(and ive never seen a post where somebody uses the capslock key, idk why, its right there, no reason not to use it)
mouse scroll push down -mag

I believe twitch used capslock for xbow.