DX 11 Vid cards are here! - HL2DMU Forum Archive

Paradox

2009-10-08 02:45:41

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102856

In all their graphic goodness. Im gona buy one when I get Win 7. Cant wait til I can get Windows 7 installed on my computer.

There are other brands there and Tiger Direct also has some in stock now as well.

L2k

2009-10-08 04:44:58

Now all we need is a dx11 game.
As of now there is only one that I have heard about battleforge or something (looks kinda lame) and the only other game announced that will eventually support dx11 is the new alien vs predator due out 2010 sometime. Hopefully some other games in the works will go dx11 soon.

Also anyone considering this card needs to make sure they have room for it, its 11.5 inches in length so you need a huge case.

Paradox

2009-10-08 05:38:03

L2k wrote: Also anyone considering this card needs to make sure they have room for it, its 11.5 inches in length so you need a huge case.

Ugh thats gona be a problem. I have a full size case and I dont think it will fit

Dont understand why they keep making them longer, dont they farking know that there is only so much room in a case.

Uncle Rico

2009-10-08 05:40:08

Paradox wrote:Cant wait til I can get Windows 7 installed on my computer.

You're gonna like it. I've really enjoyed this RC I've been using.

Uncle Rico

2009-10-08 05:42:37

Paradox wrote:
L2k wrote: Also anyone considering this card needs to make sure they have room for it, its 11.5 inches in length so you need a huge case.

Ugh thats gona be a problem. I have a full size case and I dont think it will fit

Dont understand why they keep making them longer, dont they farking know that there is only so much room in a case.

LOL. Use a 2x4x12" for a test fit. That thing is HUUUUGGGEEEEE.

Paradox

2009-10-08 06:05:12

Yea the manufacturer's website says its 11" long. Gona be too tight in my current case, but this Coolermaster 932 case that I used to build a computer for someone has room for it. The case is nice too has lots of large fans for lots of air movement and cooling.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811119196

L2k

2009-10-08 07:48:09

I've seen some conflicting reports on the length, some people have reported the card being slightly more than 11 inches. Also you need to take into account the power connector and that is going to be atleast another 1/2 inch. Cant wait to see the 5870x2, its rumored to be about 12.5 inches in length and about the only case I know that will fit into is the corsair 800D.

Paradox

2009-10-08 08:02:31

Yea hopefully the reviews will clear that up. The case I am talking about does have room for the connector. Thats where my current case wouldnt.

Now I just need to decide if I really want to rip the computer apart to move it to another case.

The Argumentalizer

2009-10-08 12:30:29

The HD 5850 will sell for $259.00!
Nice.
"The very first thing you will notice is that the ATI Radeon HD 5850 is thankfully shorter than the Radeon HD 5870. It is still double-slot, but it shouldn’t cause case clearance issues as it just came to the edge of our full size ATX motherboard. Length measures in at 9.5 inches right to the red "vents" sticking out. Length on the Radeon HD 5870 came to 10.75", so it is a big improvement in that area."

-Interesting. HardOCP links to this article, about Nvidia falling apart, dropping out of the High and Mid range card market because endless engineering failures.

And here is ATI/AMD with the 5800 series kicking AA and shader ass!

WOW, it seems like just a little while ago Nvidia was laughing at ATI!
And 8800 series was the shiz.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/ ... nd-market/

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-10-08 16:35:26

Paradox wrote:

Ugh thats gona be a problem. I have a full size case and I dont think it will fit

girls say that to me all the time.

L2k

2009-10-08 18:34:02

The Argumentalizer wrote:The HD 5850 will sell for $259.00!
Nice.
"The very first thing you will notice is that the ATI Radeon HD 5850 is thankfully shorter than the Radeon HD 5870. It is still double-slot, but it shouldn’t cause case clearance issues as it just came to the edge of our full size ATX motherboard. Length measures in at 9.5 inches right to the red "vents" sticking out. Length on the Radeon HD 5870 came to 10.75", so it is a big improvement in that area."

-Interesting. HardOCP links to this article, about Nvidia falling apart, dropping out of the High and Mid range card market because endless engineering failures.

And here is ATI/AMD with the 5800 series kicking AA and shader ass!

WOW, it seems like just a little while ago Nvidia was laughing at ATI!
And 8800 series was the shiz.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/ ... nd-market/

Reading anything at semiaccurate is like reading something in the national enquirer or any other tabloid bs, Hard OCP went to Nvidia with that story and they said it was completely false.
In any case Nvidia will have a new card (300) series out after the first of the year and expect it to whoop on ATI as usual.

I do commend ATI for getting this card out before the holiday season and it having good performance but from the tests I have seen it does not go far above Nvidias current cards just slightly (5870). As always its just a back and forth war between the two companies, too bad to get that extra performance they had to make it so big limiting the amount of people who can use it.

The Argumentalizer

2009-10-08 21:19:31

I never heard of semi. I just thought the article was interesting and wonder how they just publish a lie like that.
There must be some truth to it.
How much, i don't know.

I do know that a few failures along the line for one of these companies is dangerous, being in that highly competitive cutthroat environment.

I hope it isn't true. We need Nvidia to compete.

Paradox

2009-10-09 00:52:06

LMFAO at Chem. Here I am reading a serious discussion about these new vid cards and around the corner comes Chem with an orb...Swooosh.....bong.....

The Argumentalizer

2009-10-09 02:47:38

The Orb of Love

L2k

2009-10-09 05:19:47

The Argumentalizer wrote:I never heard of semi. I just thought the article was interesting and wonder how they just publish a lie like that.
There must be some truth to it.
How much, i don't know.

I do know that a few failures along the line for one of these companies is dangerous, being in that highly competitive cutthroat environment.

I hope it isn't true. We need Nvidia to compete.

Nvidia is and always has been the leader in video card technology, I wouldn't expect them to fail anytime soon

You can only put so much faith in a ATI sponsored website/blog who is trying to puff up a product for ATI.

The Argumentalizer

2009-10-09 06:54:44

L2k wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:I never heard of semi. I just thought the article was interesting and wonder how they just publish a lie like that.
There must be some truth to it.
How much, i don't know.

I do know that a few failures along the line for one of these companies is dangerous, being in that highly competitive cutthroat environment.

I hope it isn't true. We need Nvidia to compete.
Nvidia is and always has been the leader in video card technology, I wouldn't expect them to fail anytime soon
You can only put so much faith in a ATI sponsored website/blog who is trying to puff up a product for ATI.

HUH!?!?!? Always has been? Now you sound like a fanboy.
Nvidia IS the leader?!?!?

That sounds like nonsense to me.
There does seem to be a mountain of stories about Defective Nvidia chips.
And i have owned 2 great cards from both, so i don't buy the Nvidia ia and was the leader stuff.

provost

2009-10-09 17:13:50

The Argumentalizer wrote:
L2k wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:I never heard of semi. I just thought the article was interesting and wonder how they just publish a lie like that.
There must be some truth to it.
How much, i don't know.

I do know that a few failures along the line for one of these companies is dangerous, being in that highly competitive cutthroat environment.

I hope it isn't true. We need Nvidia to compete.
Nvidia is and always has been the leader in video card technology, I wouldn't expect them to fail anytime soon
You can only put so much faith in a ATI sponsored website/blog who is trying to puff up a product for ATI.
HUH!?!?!? Always has been? Now you sound like a fanboy.
Nvidia IS the leader?!?!?

That sounds like nonsense to me.
There does seem to be a mountain of stories about Defective Nvidia chips.
And i have owned 2 great cards from both, so i don't buy the Nvidia ia and was the leader stuff.

Both companies cant exist without the other. Who's best is an On/Off thing.

L2k

2009-10-09 21:42:34

provost wrote:
The Argumentalizer wrote:
HUH!?!?!? Always has been? Now you sound like a fanboy.
Nvidia IS the leader?!?!?

That sounds like nonsense to me.
There does seem to be a mountain of stories about Defective Nvidia chips.
And i have owned 2 great cards from both, so i don't buy the Nvidia ia and was the leader stuff.
Both companies cant exist without the other. Who's best is an On/Off thing.

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This is true.
What I mean by Nvidia being the leader is that Nvidia has been the first with new technologies such as SLI, dual gpu cards ect, as well as always the first to introduce new drivers/profiles supporting the newest games.
If you looked at the cards over the last decade Nvidia's held the advantage more than 50% of the time over ATI. That being said I wouldnt say I'm a fanboy I just go for who has shown best performance overall or who has the best product at the time I'm doing a build. I may even buy one of these 5870's for a new build I'm doing now as it appears to be the best card at the moment.

The Argumentalizer

2009-10-09 22:09:06

Excuse me for pointing out that ATI was a pioneer in graphics years before Nvidia even existed!
ATI ruled for years and where overtaken only with the release of the 8800 series.
SLI was first, but Crossfire came soon after.

This notion Nvidia IS and WAS the LEADER is nonsense.
And lets remember, till recently, a kickass Intel Chipset precluded SLI/Nvidia.

L2k

2009-10-09 22:52:02

I know you are the Argumentalizer, but please note I said "in the last decade"
Ati lost its lead way before the 8800 series, in fact I'd say it was more like back around the 6600 series but for sure by the 7800 series
The intel chipset was no big loss anyway as Nforce was the way to go when SLI first came out, as well as AMD cpu's, three to four years after SLI intel regained the CPU title and only then did it matter.

keefy

2009-10-09 23:39:43

Alot of ATI cards are gimped for some reason my old 1950 pro only managed around 30FPS in UT3 yet my older X850XT could manage around 90FPS at the same 1024x768 resolution but on a crummy old P4 from 2003.

The Argumentalizer

2009-10-10 00:37:06

OK, maybe around the 7000 series, i agree.
And ATI has been trying to keep up.
BUT, Intel chipsets ARE a big deal, as it limited SLI to Nvidia chipsets, keeping ATI in the hunt.

And ATI has always looked better. I don't care what others say.
I have owned a 9600 and 850xt and 7800 and 8000GTS, and Nvidia has always been grainier.

ATI drivers have not been great.
I was commenting on your original LEADER comment.

Nuff said.

{EE}chEmicalbuRn

2009-10-10 02:08:39

{EE}chEmicalBurn wrote:
Paradox wrote:

Ugh thats gona be a problem. I have a full size case and I dont think it will fit
girls say that to me all the time.

Sacrifist

2009-10-10 04:41:45

Nvidia has had the stronger cards persay, but they have always been overpriced. The smarter buy in the past 5 years or so has certainly been ATI. Ive also never had ATI driver issues and there always seems to be driver issues when it comes to Nvidia. I've owned both and the ATI cards I've had have been much more stable then my Nvidia cards (2 of which had overheating issues). Saying Nvidia is the leader is a bit misleading as both companies have produced new shit. This ATI card allows 6 monitors to be hooked up to it. I certainly dont see any Nvidia cards allowing that. Hopefully, they both stay in business for a long time.

Paradox

2009-10-10 09:22:13

Considering that consoles are doing WAAAAY better than computers and dont cost much more than your typical newish video card...that remains to be seen.

L2k

2009-10-10 09:56:15

Sacrifist wrote:This ATI card allows 6 monitors to be hooked up to it. I certainly dont see any Nvidia cards allowing that.

Yeah and I think I can count on one hand how many people are going to be utilizing that new feature.

Paradox

2009-10-16 00:12:31

Well it seems like the dealt with the length issue a bit by putting the power connectors on the side that faces up once its installed rather than on the end. This might fit in my case but I think Im going to hold off a bit to see what the second gen DX11 cards are like. Some of the reviews I read alluded to those being even more of an improvement over these.